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**RTR_Naman** · 11-12-2015, 08:23 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Originally posted by xionite View Post

This bike won't see the light of day. Not on Indian soil. Not for another year.

enjoy the JPEGs.

And when it does...

I have very little faith in TVS manufacturing a bike that is deserving of a BMW badge.

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The article at visordown is dated 9 April 2013, doesn't sound credible at this point of time.

**xionite** · 11-12-2015, 08:29 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Originally posted by RTR_Naman View Post

The article at visordown is dated 9 April 2013, doesn't sound credible at this point of time.

So?

Visordown writes an article about BMW and TVS joining forces in April 2013.

Then there's a follow up press release by BMW in November 2015.

So that means the Visordown article turned out to be true.

What exactly do you think isn't credible at this point of time?
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**RTR_Naman** · 11-12-2015, 08:37 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Originally posted by xionite View Post

So?

Visordown writes an article about BMW and TVS joining forces in April 2013.

Then there's a follow up press release by BMW in November 2015.

So that means the Visordown article turned out to be true.

What exactly do you think isn't credible at this point of time?
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That "BMW" G310 won't be launched in India, this doesn't sound credible to me

**Sunny** · 11-12-2015, 09:12 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Wonderful the way things are progressing and the world's focus is shifting to the Indian sub continent. However I am in confounded why BMW wont put in more of their "DNA" into this bike visibly? That is what the first impression is all about, if you know what I mean. Like KTM did with the Duke 200.

Where is the asymmetry, the futuristic design cues et al. I am a tad disappointed! But who knows how it goes.

**vivek_k_p** · 11-13-2015, 02:40 AM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Found this videos in YouTube , You get a feel of it's size and sound, Enjoy!!. Not sure if it was shared already

**xplod566** · 11-13-2015, 03:02 AM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Originally posted by RTR_Naman View Post

TVS gets an insight into how to develop top-notch vehicles, and it is going apply some learning to use in upcoming Apache 200. Not only that, a nexus with BMW would increase its credibility multi-folds.
You can take it as gospel that BMW would never compromise on quality, it'll only be using TVS manufacturing facilities. And since it is a tech sharing agreement with no stakes involved, there is all the more reason to believe that G310 would be an exemplary product just like other BMWs.

Apache 200 would compete against Duke 200 and G310 would compete against Duke 390 and would definitely be priced higher than 390. Although, considerably less than TNT 300/Z250. From mechanicals to cosmetics, you can expect everything to be better than KTM.
And if gets launched at under 2 lacs ex-showroom as you said, let me know whenever you're in Bangalore, beer's on me

Official press release from BMW is here : https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...hmentId=336170
If you're too lazy to read it completely, I am writing down some key points:
Also, you can try to be a bit polite while replying to other fellow-xbhp family members even when they're wrong. It's a forum to enhance each other's knowledge and not a competition to declare your superiority. Not that you care, but please don't spoil the discussion with contempt or derision. I have seen it earlier as well. We all are bikers, bikers are brothers. Let the brotherhood prevail. Cheers

Exactly.Even i was thinking the same of G310 competing with 390.I think for a Single 300 CC is where it should stand.390 or KTM has so so so many quality issues,not surprised as its made by Bajaj.But since BMW will be made by TVS i can almost guarebntee its quality will be top notch.
Just like Bajaj launced 200NS WRT Duke 200 the story is gonn abe same for TVS-Launching Apache 200 WRT the engineering goodies from BMW.

Now the india Bike market is gonna be absolute fun to watch and i really hope KTM improves their quality or else they might be in real trouble.I like the KTMs but only the engines because of theri Rev hard character.Other than that the flimsy built quality keeps me away from it.

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Originally posted by tanay View Post

You guys are going to look a bit silly if this never launches here

Speculating on price should come after we know that it is going to be launched in India. What if this bike is meant only for exports like the Duke 125/250? Maybe TVS makes its own desi version of it and sells it?

Secondly, if this bike is indeed going to be sold in India, where is it going to be displayed? I don't think BMW would want their premium products sitting in TVS showrooms and currently they only have two car dealerships in Mumbai and Delhi that also sell the higher end BMW motorcycles (and loot customers with the insane pricing)
If this is going to be sold here, I think BMW will set up its own showrooms and then bring over the entire range there including this bike.

It will be sold in India.Its sure.
Just likle Bajaj sells KTM bikes ,same way TVS will be for BMW bikes.

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Originally posted by xionite View Post

So?

Visordown writes an article about BMW and TVS joining forces in April 2013.

Then there's a follow up press release by BMW in November 2015.

So that means the Visordown article turned out to be true.

What exactly do you think isn't credible at this point of time?
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This article in 2013 aqnd deosnt hold good now at all.Its almost 2= Years now.

BMW has been saying that they will launch a bike in India.Now they are doing it..yes what you say is partially correct that it might not launch in India but then when you look at the sources/rumours they are pretty much game on launching the bike.

Regarding if TVS will be able to mantain the standard of BMW - Yes they can.I mean they will have to

**Ajay Vishwanath** · 11-13-2015, 08:36 AM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

if it has a faired version.. I'm taking it.. I'm an absolute sucker for fairing.. :P

but still somehow somewhere I feel KTM makes more sense..

if the BMW has a bigger tank (17L or something) and fairing, priced around ~2.8 I'm taking it..

yes the ktm is more powerful and blah blah.. but somewhere I feel this can be a good competition to KTM since it's planned to be manufactured here....

Go BMW GO!!!

**krishna77** · 11-13-2015, 08:59 AM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

I expect it to be priced @ ~ 1.8 lakhs otr. It remains to be seen whether TVS tyres are used or not in the production model. For the next 2 years, the 250cc - 400cc segment is the segment to watch out for.

Sent from my Xperia L.

**princesirohi** · 11-13-2015, 10:06 AM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

LOL..... What a discussion....

So what is the USP of this bike?

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**sparky** · 11-13-2015, 10:42 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Ha haha ha, we are all speculating away to the moon. First let's wait for launch announcement, which may likely happen. Then, woah, if they release as anything to do with BMW then one can be sure that it's going to be of good quality and TVS should watch out for Bajaj like issues.
And if they release it with quality we are expecting then I guess it won't be less than 2.5L with a probable range of 2.5-3L. The market for >250cc is not a runway show for any manufacturer so far, so pricing is not even coming into picture here unlike what we like to think.

**vijayu_rxz** · 11-14-2015, 01:58 AM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

What about the frame ?. I believe its tubular . It will be interesting to see how the handling will be .

**HyperRetard** · 11-14-2015, 12:53 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Originally posted by RTR_Naman View Post

TVS gets an insight into how to develop top-notch vehicles, and it is going apply some learning to use in upcoming Apache 200. Not only that, a nexus with BMW would increase its credibility multi-folds.

You can take it as gospel that BMW would never compromise on quality, it'll only be using TVS manufacturing facilities. And since it is a tech sharing agreement with no stakes involved, there is all the more reason to believe that G310 would be an exemplary product just like other BMWs.

Apache 200 would compete against Duke 200 and G310 would compete against Duke 390 and would definitely be priced higher than 390. Although, considerably less than TNT 300/Z250. From mechanicals to cosmetics, you can expect everything to be better than KTM.
And if gets launched at under 2 lacs ex-showroom as you said, let me know whenever you're in Bangalore, beer's on me

Official press release from BMW is here : https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...hmentId=336170
If you're too lazy to read it completely, I am writing down some key points:

A dedicated production area has been set aside in the factory for production of G310. The engine assembly line is completely new and fitted with
cutting-edge automation and testing technology for every stage of the
process.
Developed in Munich by BMW Motorrad – produced in India (BMW needs to pay its engineers and designers).
The final inspection is performed according to
BMW Motorrad standards and includes electronic functional testing as well as
a final run on the roller test bench for every motorcycle.

All in all, production of the new BMW G 310 R is subject to the same quality criteria that apply to production at the BMW Motorrad plant in Berlin-Spandau.

Also, you can try to be a bit polite while replying to other fellow-xbhp family members even when they're wrong. It's a forum to enhance each other's knowledge and not a competition to declare your superiority. Not that you care, but please don't spoil the discussion with contempt or derision. I have seen it earlier as well. We all are bikers, bikers are brothers. Let the brotherhood prevail. Cheers

Page 4 of the press release.

Developed in Munich by BMW Motorrad – produced in India bycooperation partner TVS Motor Company

First BMW to be produced in India, and produced by TVS. So lets not really get too hyped about the build quality.
That being said, it will be better built than a KTM.

There are only two(or three) issues worth debating for...
a) how much will it cost.
b) when will it be sold in India
c) what name will it bear in India? TVS Apache 300 or BMW G310 R

Its a fact that it will be better built than the KTMs(their immediate rivals).

And yeah, thanks for the offer, I'll take it.

**leomax** · 11-14-2015, 03:50 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Duke390 certainly has the edge in performance, but it's quality has gone downhill to just worse.
My experience with duke 390's maintenance is that it's frequent and expensive. (Especially when ran with poor quality fuel, outside cities)

BMW is advertising the moderate compression ratio and "offering compatibility with various fuel qualities".
Considering that it's going to sport "bmw" badge, I'd be interested to see how the quality and reliability.

**xplod566** · 11-14-2015, 05:43 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

Originally posted by leomax View Post

Duke390 certainly has the edge in performance, but it's quality has gone downhill to just worse.
My experience with duke 390's maintenance is that it's frequent and expensive. (Especially when ran with poor quality fuel, outside cities)

BMW is advertising the moderate compression ratio and "offering compatibility with various fuel qualities".
Considering that it's going to sport "bmw" badge, I'd be interested to see how the quality and reliability.

I agree with you.quality has gone from bad to horrendous. One of my friend met with a minor accident and its costing him 25k.pretty much every thing is gone.just a slide he met with

**s1d** · 11-15-2015, 08:07 PM

Re: BMW's 313cc G310 R

the bike is not even out on the road and we have people talking quality and making all sorts of comparisons

to that guy who said ktm's quality has gone downhill, i have no words for you. a fz i know met with a 'small' accident and it cost it almost 20k to have it fixed up.
a 80k fz cost 20k to fix up vs a 2.1 lakh 390 that cost 25k ! do the math. don't expect to spend peanuts when you crash such machines.
all these presumptions and keyboard quality testing doesn't make one bit of sense other than feeding the trolls and the like.
[MENTION=23793]mod[/MENTION]s , i think you should really start moderating these sections of the forum, half the stuff that floats around here doesn't make any sense and brings down the overall quality of content on this forum

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