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Yes I was the one who told the KTM quality is down.
So the duke guy just slipped his bike at a speed of around 40 the road being a tad wet and it costs 25K.
You see i am not saying that FZ is either a Tees Mar Khan but then in my eyes i saw it and there are lots of people hovering in this forum saying its quality is not good and I know you might be defending it but then a person's view is a person's view right.common you get what you pay for !

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well, this is a forum to discuss motorcyles. you can't expect people to just respond with smileys.


the sub 300cc category in India is about to get a BMW (built by TVS)...

it would be great to see a proper BMW G310 launched in india... but i have very little faith in quality control in india.

i would hate to see a BMW badged motorcycle suffer with quality issues like the KTMs manufactured by Bajaj.

soon... this thread will get locked eventually for "too much blah blah"

then two years later... once a BMW G310 is spotted testing, this thread will be reopened.

sigh!
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i know a ninja 300 guy who dropped the bike at standstill and spent 30k
i know a shine guy whose bike slid for a good 10 meters but spent only 300rs on repairs
i have a rx100 that slid similar to the shine but i spent only 50rs to fix it up
i own a duke that fell at standstill and i had to spend 400rs on it
i own a dio on which some drunk guy stumbled and its panels set cost 10k (7 years ago a full body kit was merely 2000rs)

you simply cant compare cost of repairs based on how slow he fell or how fast he crashed.
am i complaining ? no! just stating facts. am i unhappy with my ownership of bikes over the years, no!
why don't you tell me what bike you own, and i will direct you to many sources online of complaints related to that bike.
back in the day when this internet thingy wasnt around here, there were still bikes and i wonder how folks back then went about their rantings.. or was it that them bikes were all of top notch quality !

as for the people hovering on this forum or for that matter any online source, i know how knowledgeable most of them are ! this social media has been more of source of false impressions and trolling.
a person's view is a person's view and i look at it with a wider angle than some folks with narrower views.

just feeding the fire till the mods get to work

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discuss about a motorcycle after it is on the road. simply bashing quality in your head doesn't do any good.
as for your second statement, i guess your best bet is to buy cbu bikes ! and companies don't launch bikes for us to see but to buy. and if not many folks can afford to buy something then their sales will suffer and they would have to pack up. so it is a balance between quality affordability and BUSINESS.

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You are arguing your own statement.
See I own a 200as and it has couple of niggles but then I live with it.common no bike is perfect.but then that's my perspective about Duke.I feel its quality is not on par and that's about it.you can't change it until they improve it.have I ever said CBR or Yamaha has poor quality.I praise those but then you pay a premium amount for it.no things comes for free.
Let's stop this discussion here.you are happy with your bike and that's all,same goes for me.

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Dear All,

I feel the design of BMW G310 has cues from various other bikes...The tank seems a bit inspired by Yamaha FZ series, Seat and tail section when viewed from side looks somewhat like KTM Duke..The rear suspension and mid section is somewhat like Benelli TNT...

But one should not forget - this is a first ever low capacity BMW in modern era - we should be proud about the thing that finally big European maker like BMW has recognized the need of developing markets such as India and is bringing in a premium product at relatively accessible price point.

We should be proud that BMW has chosen TVS - an Indian company - as a production partner - which is acknowledgement that Indian Engineering and frugal techniques are effective and can help companies from developed world to survive competition of new era...

Definitely being a BMW, we can expect it to be anything from 25-50k more than KTM Duke 390 despite being lower powered.

But then this will have a BMW logo and that is no joke.

It will definitely have to battle it out with KTM Duke 390 before it can be successful. I am a big KTM fan. There is no point in talking quality and all that. KTM Duke is a premium machine with good build. I owned KTM Duke 200 for 3.5 years and every day, every km I rode it really hard but also maintained it with love.

It had absolutely no shaky parts at the end of 3.5 years, no single bolt was rusty, the engine performance was as quick as day-1, smoothness of the engine was far better than day-1, its handling, grip, headlight focus, indicators - nothing had faded at all...It felt as aggressive as day one, its paint shined exactly like day-1...

For me, that is indeed quality...In between, I had to replace various consumable parts as per schedule - but that is common among all European bikes I guess...

In short, there is nothing better than KTM Duke 200 as your first step into performance motorcycling at this point..It is really practical in traffic congestion as well as good for short/mid-distance touring up to 300 km or so...People do take it for Khardung-la etc but it is not really made for that...

It is very focussed motorcycle that does its job very well...

We will have to see what is the focus of BMW G310 - and if it does its job very well - it will be a successful product in India...People will buy it despite high price if BMW can ensure good customer treatment and make them feel special because they now own a BMW product...

KTM has done brand building really well - BMW needs to learn from that...

I am surprised that Yamaha is not learning so much from this and focussing still only on commuter level machines that look good but don't really have the go to match the show (Yamaha FZ16 - not a bad product - but why not come up with 250-300-350 cc product that will really make you go crazy - a-la Yamaha RD 350? Why not a retro looking modern fast and furious motorcycle that matches RD 350 at 2.5 lakhs? Surely lot of people will go for such a bike...In fact it should be named as RD 350 only - someone has to go against what the trend is and do something new - why Yamaha is not doing that?)

All in all, I am extremely happy to have BMW product upcoming in our markets - I am advising my friends personally to hold on before buying a new bike if they are looking at this segment (200--400 cc) as BMW may find a balance that a lot others may not have...

1) Honda CBR 250 R - a good tourer and a good motorcycle - but doesn't appeal to the heart like KTM - Quality not in same class as say Honda CBR 650
2) Kawasaki Ninja 300 and Yamaha R3 - good bikes on their own - but they are way too expensive with less features - No ABS - very glaring omission in this segment
3) KTM Duke 390/RC 390 - Best bikes in their class and priced sensible - but these are very aggressive bikes and focussed only on racy performance - not sufficiently comfortable - one really has to learn to live with them in terms of comfort without damaging our bones!
4) Kawasaki Z250 - Again too expensive compared to its performance - not great looking, not value for money, not matching features of competition
5) Benelli TNT 300 - Great sounding bike with good looks and reasonable performance - rather heavy and not really sporty

As can be seen above - if BMW G310 can combine - good looks (it is looking good), decent comfort (can be felt only with longish test ride), strong performance without being intimidating (i.e. not so aggressive as Duke but still strong to keep enthusiasts entertained while novices should find it easy to adjust with it)
then it can surely succeed.

That is what BMW is trying to do I believe. And being BMW, there are 99.9% chances that they will succeed in making the product right...Hopefully TVS can help them in setting up proper network and reasonably good After Sales Service....

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If BMW has done that to ensure quality of G310, I do not see any reason to doubt the quality of the final product. If BMW has stationed its employees to oversee the build of the bike, quality control and stuff, it should be really good.

I don't mind paying premium for a well put together, good quality, fun bike. Should be a good addition to my 650. I am looking forward to this bike.

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I am not a big fan of KTM but I find it extremely appalling to witness every thread getting transformed into a platform for bashing and mudslinging on KTM, this thread being no exception.

Yes, they have some build quality issues, they are not as smooth as Japanese bikes, so what? Why do people fail to understand that it is KTM who has changed the scenario of our performance biking? It doesn't take a Ph.D to realize the number of dreams that have been fulfilled by KTM. All we had was R-15, KTM made performance biking affordable in India. How many of us used to crave for performance bikes that won't dig a hole in our pockets? Well some us are now able to satiate our hunger now, thanks to KTM. Just try to do some research and find out the number of brands that have debuted in Indian performance biking market after KTM set its foot in India. KTM is one of the best things to have happened to our biking industry, a biker has now options to choose from AS/RS/NS 200, TNT 300, Harley Street 750. A lot of brands are paying attention to Indian market, and it is KTM that has made it possible. A few years back, there were only imports for the super-rich. Most of the big brands didn't use to give a damn about our market, and now we have BMW manufacturing bikes in our country.

KTM offers its bikes at a very very reasonable price that to some people, it may even look like a bargain. 390 unleashes 43+ horses beneath our butts, offering brutal acceleration that some of us even have a hard time to control. At 1.9 lacs (ex-showroom Delhi), you get Metzeler tires, ABS , fully digital display offering tons of information(yes, I know it is small in size), USD forks, and even a slipper clutch. What more do you want? Even if you add maintenance costs, the overall cost of ownership is still not exorbitant. Even R-15 is not that easy on the pocket to maintain. How can Duke390 be compared to Ninja 300 when it is in a different price bracket altogether? Yes, Ninja 300 is damn good, but for the price of Ninja 300, you can buy two Dukes, 390 for yourself, 200 for your younger brother, and you'd still have some money left to buy decent gear. And guess what, you still don't get ABS on the Kwacker. KTM has issues but it should be criticized only when other brands offer products better than Dukes/RCs at the same price point. Until then, malicious comments about KTM are better left with ourselves.

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Dear fellows,

Please understand fellows Its BMW...... Of course the three letter says you "i am going to change the **** ".
And the first thing is its biggest competitors in market will be NS 200, TNT 300, ninja300 and RC 390 and having this in mind they have built this vehicle so definitely its gonna be the best among those and what ever the expectation in market from those vehicle customers and their learnings from those competitors vehicles (failures and drawbacks) will be rectified in order to survive in market by any brand and now its BMW ..... definitely its gonna be a far better than the existing competitors. And once again if this bike is going to get sold in INDIA and as per the tie up with TVS, and as some of our fellows say if this was produced and sold by TVS...... Yooooo its once agin BMW who is gonna sell with his own name not in a brand name of TVS right so they BMW itself will ensure the Quality (not to damage its BRAND name so they will) which will be the greatest good quality outcome of TVS manufacturing the bike.


And from my view i dont see any type of very big quality issues of TVS bikes (in my view) in apache only vibration that it beyond that all the customers who own it just appreciates it. only from my view point. so may be because of that only BMW chose TVS. To give out a great and good quality outcome.

By,
Your fellow XBHpian....

ITS BMW man awesome in india in reasonable price.......... wait are we arguing more than that its just insane mannnnn.......

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if you have still doubts in quality

Just go through this


BMW Media Information PDF (available in internet)Published on : 11/2015
Go through the page number 14,15.

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The uncompromising asymmetric design, and boldly putting function first, is what i feel sets apart a BMW,
Would like to see that but spending big bucks on designing a mass market product, will be a risky affair for an asymmetric design.

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The G 310 R.*

*Expected arrival at dealerships Q3 2016.



Blue looks great:

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Speedo looks nice to me hope it also has games to play

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Dear fellows, plwase understand that it is
a) single cylinder, so if they want to take on the z250 BMW are dead. They should price it 2 lakh ex showroom.
b) Its going to be built in a TVS factory, so BMW or no BMW, the quality control is goig to be iffy
c) just because it is BMW, doesnt mean they can price it what they want.

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