The 2010 Bike Launch Speculation Thread

[satyenpoojary]

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Damn! I just blogged my veiws about it! Hope you dont keel me for that!

True, the Avenger doesn't really have a competition.

The image of a relaxed cruiser with a puny engine doesn't really fit (Eg: The Yamaha Enticer 125 cc).
Therefore, the extra grunt of the 220 mill should be always welcome.

Yup! virtually NO competition what so ever!
Had some free time in office and wanted to brush up something, and ofcourse kick some dust off my wordpress blog, so thats exaclty what I wrote in my blog!
Not promoting it here or my trigger happy friend Mr. Violent version of Mahatama Gandhi will ban me for the rest of my life!

Edit:Is that extra 20CC welcome? - I actually dont think so! but yes my references are limited to a handful of peers who have an Avenger or consider buying one.

[bikemanic]

a 220 avenger is more welcome cause then high speed crusing will be a boon in that, tourers who like comfort will opt for it. but bajaj has to price it exactlyt the same as the 200mil otherwise it wont be interesting.

[chicane1879]

I hope A220 gets a bit more than just the engine upgrade... AND they stick to A200 or bring back A180! Else, to me, its bad homework!

Ripperz wont buy a cruiser...
A handfull of enthusiasts will probably fall for it
But who exaclty is the TA for Avenger? That = Homework!

Don't worry about the Homework thing.

Bajaj always does 'it' right when it come to performance segment.

[satyenpoojary]

a 220 avenger is more welcome cause then high speed crusing will be a boon in that, tourers who like comfort will opt for it. but bajaj has to price it exactlyt the same as the 200mil otherwise it wont be interesting.

Wouldnt it be unfair to the A200 owners
How many touring Avengers do you know off? And how many commuting avengers have you seen so far?

Edit:
How much is the A200 for BTW? and how much is the P220S for?

Don't worry about the Homework thing.

Bajaj always does 'it' right when it come to performance segment.

*cough* They promoted "Feel like God", you are making them feel like one for sure
Yeah I am sure enough homework was done about it! Just that I have some other views! We come from a country where 20CCs means altogether a new product! 20CCs give as much joy to a performance seeker, as much it can generate nightmares for a commuter!

[chicane1879]

*cough* They promoted "Feel like God", you are making them feel like one for sure
Yeah I am sure enough homework was done about it! Just that I have some other views! We come from a country where 20CCs means altogether a new product! 20CCs give as much joy to a performance seeker, as much it can generate nightmares for a commuter!

I dont think the 20cc would cause any problem/confusion to the potential customers.

People did shift up from 180 to 200cc Avenger without any fuss and same thing will happen to this variant. Look at the brighter side, the touring crowd will have one more reason to smile, inching closer to Bulleteers in terms of cc!!

[satyenpoojary]

I dont think the 20cc would cause any problem/confusion to the potential customers.

People did shift up from 180 to 200cc Avenger without any fuss and same thing will happen to this variant. Look at the brighter side, the touring crowd will have one more reason to smile, inching closer to Bulleteers in terms of cc!!

200CC and 200+CC in India is like a new segment altogether
I am not saying that people wont move, I am saying that would all\most of them move? or will better sense do you see it bringing MORE buyers?

A200 atleast had some goodies... like a fuel meter, an oil cooler! So probably a USP for it! So thats why probably A220 also needs some more goodies... do you think it makes it any more "economical" (which is why the blog, joking about it being called an economical sense derived change)

I for one, would rather buy a naked 220S and make it into a better touring bike than strech my legs on a cruiser!
(but yeah then there are these days when I think cruiser makes more sense)

[riot]

I wish bajaj tunes the 220 mill on Avenger to deliever more torque at lower revs rather than top-end.

[enfro]

Don't worry about the Homework thing.

Bajaj always does 'it' right when it come to performance segment.

Agree strongly. But for Bajaj, indian bike market (performance bikes) would have been dominated by, who knows, max to max a Glamour or Achiever or some 150cc catagory.
These Japanese treat their markets in developing world as %$#&$.
This is what Honda or Yamaha has to offer in Pakistan-


Yamaha Junoon

[satyenpoojary]

Agree strongly. But for Bajaj, indian bike market (performance bikes) would have been dominated by, who knows, max to max a Glamour or Achiever or some 150cc catagory.
These Japanese treat their markets in developing world as %$#&$.
This is what Honda or Yamaha has to offer in Pakistan-


Yamaha Junoon

I am sorry but that is more or less an OT..and PS: Bajaj or Yamaha(with thier R15 and FZ) or for that matter any automobile manufacturer didnt do a favour to anybody by upping the ante... there were demands, there were gaps in the market and someone catered to it... made money... a win win for all. That doesnt give anyone bragging rights! In another lighter sense, they did so to bail thier sorry asses out of the mess.
Yamaha goofed bigtime with products, Bajaj-the-scooter-company faced a challenge from the 'bikes!

The sooner we digest that, the better for all of us.
Like someone said in this thread not so long ago, the sooner we stop going ga-ga over stupid upgrades, the better for all of us!

Bring on a new chassis on the Avenger, make it more touring friendly and then yeah... we are now talking!

[tanay]

^ Hehe those bikes make the HH Splendour (paint-alloy-remix-edition) here look comparable to a 250R.

But then if we take a look at the Superbikes in Pakistan section we will realize that the guys there skip the 100 cc and go directly to 1000. The irony!

[satyenpoojary]

Its a whole new environment there, we cannot compare India with any other country...
Do they have robust homebrewn manufacturers like HH\Bajaj\TVS there?

[MACH50]

In fact a 220 Avenger would be going nowhere.......being a cruiser it will have more power on tap......but still,in India when it comes to cruisers,its a monopoly and its iconic-The Royal Enfield.
The Thunderbird from Royal Enfield is far better in all counts than the Avenger when it comes to cruiser........why ??
Thunderbird's huge road presence,awesome thump,350cc engine,truck loads of torque,massive comfort and effortless cruising.
The Enfiled Engine is Long-stroked....a very important reason for why it is such a comfortable and effortless cruiser.

But Avenger.......be it 200cc engine or be it 220cc engine....it will always fail to garner what an Enfiled as a cruiser provides.Bajaj Powerplants are meant for Bhp-short stroked engines,not for torque and cruising.

Infact the 200cc engine is still at its best on the Avenger and I dont feel it needs change.Pulsar 200(made humble power output in case of performance), is out of Indian market.....so we dont want to miss the 200cc.Rather the 200cc engine be remapped for more torque and better power delivery with complimenting carburetor and gear ratios.That way it would be better.Just running a 220cc mill on 3 bikes does not make any sense,and makes the range look cheap.

But Bajaj will do it the cheaper way....just by plonking the 220cc mill. More power and torque with 20ccs,total thing remains same,,,sporty engine on cruise bike-no competition for the Enfield again

[ken cool]

Oh boy! We have made movement from speculation to genuine speculation to absurd speculation to bike market analysis!!! Good!

Should I change the title of the thread?

[payeng]

In fact a 220 Avenger would be going nowhere.......being a cruiser it will have more power on tap......but still,in India when it comes to cruisers,its a monopoly and its iconic-The Royal Enfield.

The Thunderbird from Royal Enfield is far better in all counts than the Avenger when it comes to cruiser........why ??

Agreed Royal Enfield bikes are used for long distance touring in India, but they are not "Classic Cruiser" bikes.

The Bullet is a "Retro British Bike" and the Thunderbird a "Pseudo" Cruiser. The T'bird might be very good in munching miles but still it is not a "Classic Cruiser" bike.

Rather the 200cc engine be remapped for more torque and better power delivery with complimenting carburetor and gear ratios.That way it would be better. Just running a 220cc mill on 3 bikes does not make any sense,and makes the range look cheap.

Looks Cheap..?? That's a good one. No seriously..!!

But Bajaj will do it the cheaper way....just by plonking the 220cc mill. More power and torque with 20ccs,total thing remains same,,,sporty engine on cruise bike-no competition for the Enfield again

Who the hell is competing with Royal Enfield..??

Not in my wildest dreams do I see a Royal Enfield guy converting for the Avenger.. regardless of whether its 180/200/220 cc.


The Avenger is for the Urban "Desi" Cowboy who wants to get his share of "Americana" without having to spend in dollars... and who mostly does not bother whether the engine is tuned for low end or high end torque.

[MACH50]

The Avenger is for the Urban "Desi" Cowboy who wants to get his share of "Americana" without having to spend in dollars... and who mostly does not bother whether the engine is tuned for low end or high end torque.

Hmm City Cruiser.......is the name of the segment,it began back in the days when Enticer was there with a 125cc engine