The 2010 Bike Launch Speculation Thread

[payeng]

Hmm City Cruiser.......is the name of the segment,it began back in the days when Enticer was there with a 125cc engine

City Cruiser.. Yep, righty put.

The styling and stance ape the American "Classic Cruisers" but the engine characteristics aren't.. why? Simply because they are derived from small capacity commuter bikes (Even the Hyosung Aquila 250 had its engine from the Comet 250, cheap tatics? do you say?).

The 125 cc engine (derived from YBX 125, now found in Gladiator 125) of the Enticer was deemed underpowered. And the advent of the Avenger 180 just killed it.

And by the way, neither the Avenger 180 or the 200 was ever reknowned to deliver good fuel efficiency. Nobody ever bought the Avenger for its fuel efficiency. I don't see the 220 having any problem in that department.

The ones who like the Avenger "City Cruiser" will go for the Avenger.. with an extra ego massage of "20 cc".

[MACH50]

but they are not "Classic Cruiser" bikes.

The Bullet is a "Retro British Bike" and the Thunderbird a "Pseudo" Cruiser. The T'bird might be very good in munching miles but still it is not a "Classic Cruiser" bike.

Hmm your definition of Classic Cruiser........begins from a 885cc Harley Davidson with an enormous price tag maybe.
Who says Thunderbird is a Pseudo Cruiser??? Have you ever tried the Triumph Thunderbird....its an example of your Classic Cruiser or a Victory Hammer or Vision may fit your definition

In India........munching miles means Enfield bikes and they are the classic looking cruiser like bikes for India....mention the price of real Classic Cruisers and the very first reply from any Indian would be...."Bhai Enfield gaadi dekhe hai....Handrid pe ekdam Volvo laik chalta hai "

So no bike for most cruise riding Indians would be complete if its not Enfield

220 is good Seriously !!! for the Pulsar F and S.But please not on Avenger...it kills exclusivity of both the cruisers and the sporty muscles

[jayprashanth]

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[payeng]

Hmm your definition of Classic Cruiser........begins from a 885cc Harley Davidson with an enormous price tag maybe.
Who says Thunderbird is a Pseudo Cruiser??? Have you ever tried the Triumph Thunderbird....its an example of your Classic Cruiser or a Victory Hammer or Vision may fit your definition

In India........munching miles means Enfield bikes and they are the classic looking cruiser like bikes for India....mention the price of real Classic Cruisers and the very first reply from any Indian would be...."Bhai Enfield gaadi dekhe hai....Handrid pe ekdam Volvo laik chalta hai "

So no bike for most cruise riding Indians would be complete if its not Enfield

220 is good Seriously !!! for the Pulsar F and S.But please not on Avenger...it kills exclusivity of both the cruisers and the sporty muscles

The only way to segment bikes for most Indians is either "Price" or "CC".
Who can blame them, after all that's the well that we live in.


A "Classic Cruiser" apes the riding stance and ergonomics of American bikes like that of the Harley Davidsons and Indians..

[MACH50]

Mods please dont react to the Jayprasanth's quote harshly.......he might have had cleared the picture.

Jayprasanth.....be cool man...our Mods are good,they just have to do their jobs.Thanks for making your point clear. Also its is good that you like Xbhp so much that you have made it a part of your blog...the community is reaching people because of appreciating members like you

Let there be peace now instead of a looming war

"CC".

A "Classic Cruiser" apes the riding stance and ergonomics of American bikes like that of the Harley Davidsons and Indians..

CC=Classic Cruisers

the Indians were more or less like standard bikes from Enfield.....they did not have the real Chopper like look of the Harleys too......

[payeng]

CC=Classic Cruisers

the Indians were more or less like standard bikes from Enfield.....they did not have the real Chopper like look of the Harleys too......

Kindly find me a better chart than the one posted below, if you can

Also if possible do some "googling" what is a "Chopper" bike (its not that difficult to find).

[MACH50]

Also if possible do some "googling" what is a "Chopper" bike (its not that difficult to find).

Brother I know what is a chopper.......google cannot teach me biking,I started riding bikes even before I knew how to access computers...so thanks for your advice

Next,this chart here is a very good classification of all types of bikes...informative stuff,dont expect to find a better Thanks for it

But I am talking about the Indian(the bike not the country) Motorcycles,in comparison to Enfield,
Below is a pic of the Indian Classic.....differences with an Enfield Electra,
1.massive engine......though power and torque are likely distributed like a cruiser.
2.Low Bike....this kind of bike in India,would be broken on speed breakers.
3.Highly risen handlebars,Electra too can have them,but buyers wont buy it even for cruising.These handles arent welcome for speed breakers and uneven roads,might feel uncomfortable at high speeds.

[payeng]

Brother I know what is a chopper.......google cannot teach me biking, I started riding bikes even before I knew how to access computers...so thanks for your advice

My my.. you are taking things personally here.

Google definitely can't tech one how to ride.. but it certainly can teach a lot about the history of bikes and other useful information.

Next,this chart here is a very good classification of all types of bikes...informative stuff,dont expect to find a better Thanks for it

Thanks, I am sure that you won't.

Coz I made that myself.

[MACH50]

Coz I made that myself.

Custom job .....nice work man.

But I think it would be better if the Vmax is replaced by the Harley Davidson V-Rods in place of power cruisers.
Vmax by Yamaha had been promoted as a street muscle.....its engine mapping is like that too.
The Rocket3 has a larger engine than the Vmax,but Vmax still makes the better power and lesser torque

[payeng]

Custom job .....nice work man.

But I think it would be better if the Vmax is replaced by the Harley Davidson V-Rods in place of power cruisers.

Vmax by Yamaha had been promoted as a street muscle.....its engine mapping is like that too.

The Rocket3 has a larger engine than the Vmax,but Vmax still makes the better power and lesser torque

Like I said that the above chart has been made by me, so there is actually no strict rules defining them. Its open for discussion and debate.
But still, I don't think there can be a better categorization of international motorcycle styles, unless one wants to blurr boundries by mixing and matching them.

Yes, the V-rod would be very close to the V-Max in terms of its character. "Street Muscle" can also be a nice term to define that category.



Request to mods: The last couple of posts can be shifted to "Design of a Motorcycle" thread.

[payeng]

Till date, I have not posted more than five links on xbhp which has anything to do with the blog I am involved with.

It looks like you haven't read the other 360 odd posts I have made on xbhp so far. I have only posted stuff which has been relevant to any discussion. If that is promoting my blog, then you must read my blogs which have, in many instances actively linked xbhp thus giving xbhp visibility too. If you want to take action, please go ahead and do so.

Cheers,

Jay

If you have anything to share, then please share it here directly.
Whats the point of asking us to read it from your blog instead?

Regardless of 1 post or 5, its against the rules of xBhp to use it for promoting other or self sites.

[dushyant]

whoa! a mere 20ccs have generated lots of thoughts and opinions. Ok, here comes mine, I suggest that Bajaj make some subtle changes to it maybe like the tank or the headlights or the handlebar.
Would wait and watch what they come out with.

[men_in_jean]

As far as the people I have seen.. They opt for Avenger not for the mileage. It has been mostly to get something exclusive and being distinct on roads.

As fas as the tourers are concerned I do not think it will make much difference on the mileage and also the additional 20cc, apart from riding a more 10kmph speed easily.

From Bajaj's perspective, They can opt out of the 200cc segment completely. It would help them to reduce cost a bit by making this bike share the same engine of the P220. And there are chances that this could reflect on the price of the bike as well.

I do not think that this upgrade would make much of a difference to this segment for a consumer, However it might help Bajaj on price and also in keeping their product(Avenger) in sync with Pulsar's(from the time of 180s).

[nagoo]

If you have anything to share, then please share it here directly.
Whats the point of asking us to read it from your blog instead?

Regardless of 1 post or 5, its against the rules of xBhp to use it for promoting other or self sites.

dude ..just cool.. now things are settled .. i think he got the point,

@jayprakash

post the link there is no problem in that .. along with it post the contents also ...
if its a valuable source of news then there is no problem in posting the links .

and i think now the discussion is little bit oftrack now ... any new speculation news plz ???
i think next month we can see 2 bike launches .. one is SZ and other i just forgot

[satyenpoojary]

The Avenger is for the Urban "Desi" Cowboy who wants to get his share of "Americana" without having to spend in dollars... and who mostly does not bother whether the engine is tuned for low end or high end torque.

This one nails it....!

No one said anything about mileage, what I said in the blog and here was that a lot of people here have this perception of a 220CC bike being an out and out performance bike.
An average Joe would now have to think as apart from the lack of options, he is now even plagued with some fears of lower milega, and a lot of 'risky' power!
And the question still remains, how many tourers do you know who tour on Avenger, versus how many commuters do you know who ride it for a statement?
That 20CCs doesnt mean a lot to the tourers, and is a bit scary for some of the commuters!

I would love to see a 180CC Avenger running parallel with a 220cc Avenger...

PS: Which is the next best option that fits in perception as quoted by Payeng? May be the commuting ones who are afraid of it would move to this new bike now!