Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

[l_gbabuin]

heavy rains here in salem,coil winding completed,epoxy dried,soldered fiberglass wire with silicone sleeves as leads for stator coil.but mechanic shop closed due to heavy rains,so fixing the stator cover in bike is pending.




will fix it in bike by tomorrow afternoon and post readings.
till then bye.
have a good day.

[NANOtechnology]

its looks good, but i feel 1 more layer could have been achieved across every pole, but even this might do i suppose.

btw, what bike do you ride ?
and how much did you pay for the winding ?

[l_gbabuin]

well the funda is simple...as tested by me....

19 awg wire the best quality 12.5 feet per pole on avenger coil core which is bigger the stock pulser coil core=7 amps max @7k rpm..

18 awg wire the best quality 12.5 feet per pole on avenger coil core which is bigger the stock pulser coil core=8 amps max@7 k rpm.

17 awgthe best quality 12.5 feet per pole on avenger coil core which is bigger the stock pulser coil core=12 amps @6k rpm.

so you will ask why you need 17 gauge anyway??well as for the low rpm the 17 can pull 3 yes 3 hids without a problem.
if you want to run 2 hids you need 17~18 gauge.
if you want to run 90/100 halo one bulb obviously,then 19 gauge will also do dont be so paniky,even if the winds are a bit less lets say 10-11 feet per pole why?

now i will write something it the best way to exlplain....

HID BULBS ARE LIKE MEAN BIT*HY GIRLFRIENDS WHO WILL SUCK THE LAST AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM YOU AND WHEN YOU HAVE NO MONEY THEY WILL LEAVE YOU..
girlfriend=hid
money=battery voltage
leave you=sudden switching off if the voltage below 10 volts..

ON THE OTHER HAND HALOGEN BULBS ARE LIKE VERY GOOD STEADY WIVES,THEY WILL ADJUST THEM SELVES IF YOU DONT HAVE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET ,AND THEY NEVER NEVER LEAVE YOU....

EG..
a halogen bulb 100 watts @13 volts consumes~7.7 amps

now if the voltage drops it will loose its intensity and drop its consumption,,frankly speaking you will never know its a bit less intence as the loss is never more then 10-15%.
but at the same time if you run hids it will drain the battery in 2 hours max but with a 90/100 hALO you will be running 5+hours tiptop even with a bit less charging.

hope it helps...

anyway after altering and playing a bit i got myself a hella comet spotlamp ,fitted hid 4300k in that,made a wiring kit with 40 amp relay ,rectified the vibration problem of the bixenon hid bulb and fitted all in the bike,phew.......back to ug 3 looks...




not happy with the spot lamp position though,,,it s too eye catchy,,
thinkin of fittin it here...

dr this idea is very nice,even iam planning to change the doom with reflector and plonk a hid bulb,but iam afraid of traffic police they might charge me for dazzle
but again if i need to put a hid in stock reflector,where should i keep the ballast?if i change to hid then i need to have a aux lamp with halogen.
option 1.hid in stock,halogen in aux
option 2.halogen in stock,hid in aux
my problem,i need to change the reflector to accommodate high wattage halogen or xenon.need to but a aux like hella.
what is your suggestion?

[sajjt]

dr this idea is very nice,even iam planning to change the doom with reflector and plonk a hid bulb,but iam afraid of traffic police they might charge me for dazzle
but again if i need to put a hid in stock reflector,where should i keep the ballast?if i change to hid then i need to have a aux lamp with halogen.
option 1.hid in stock,halogen in aux
option 2.halogen in stock,hid in aux
my problem,i need to change the reflector to accommodate high wattage halogen or xenon.need to but a aux like hella.
what is your suggestion?

Ganesh, u can keep the ballast within the dome if its slim one. U can keep the ballast out side some where near the HL assy, try to bolt it below the fork holding "V" clamp. Ballasts are weather proof so water seeping wont be there. Go for 4.3K CT so that no cop will stop u for using HID as its close to the halogen CT and more over its the all weather CT. Above 5K is just a fancy light not good for riding at least in rain and fogs.

Drji, thanks for the mail, but to be honest, the aux doesn't looks good with the current setup. Even on the crash guard may look some what fair. Try a round aux lamp and fix it on the proposed place.

[drvmtm]

dr this idea is very nice,even iam planning to change the doom with reflector and plonk a hid bulb,but iam afraid of traffic police they might charge me for dazzle
but again if i need to put a hid in stock reflector,where should i keep the ballast?if i change to hid then i need to have a aux lamp with halogen.
option 1.hid in stock,halogen in aux
option 2.halogen in stock,hid in aux
my problem,i need to change the reflector to accommodate high wattage halogen or xenon.need to but a aux like hella.
what is your suggestion?

stay with safe color temperature 4300k.the ballast can be kept below the round headlamp,using the numberplate holder as a base.
but my suggestion is go for newly launched yamaha sz x dome..
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this will do two things...
-it will create a good look a fresh look.
-it will create space for 2 hid ballasts..
my suddestion is use a good bixenon 4300k bulb with old type BIG ballast with a new dome.it will look neat and you can add a aux later.
dont woory you can run one hid with ur setup 24/7.

Ganesh, u can keep the ballast within the dome if its slim one. U can keep the ballast out side some where near the HL assy, try to bolt it below the fork holding "V" clamp. Ballasts are weather proof so water seeping wont be there. Go for 4.3K CT so that no cop will stop u for using HID as its close to the halogen CT and more over its the all weather CT. Above 5K is just a fancy light not good for riding at least in rain and fogs.

Drji, thanks for the mail, but to be honest, the aux doesn't looks good with the current setup. Even on the crash guard may look some what fair. Try a round aux lamp and fix it on the proposed place.

sajjit,the problem is its very tough to find a good aux light which can provide good high beam,that is why i was using the dcm toyota sealbeam,but it was too big.so replaced it with hella which is equal as i say.
but you see this is the smallest hella avl.
the round one is comet 500 is too big boss is rougly the same size as the old setup 5.25 inches.

so i had no other option rather then to stick with 450 you see..
seriously thinking to place it in the following position because of its usability...better light then crash guard..

[discoverVinu]

Hi Guys,

I have one question to all.
Is there anybody here who has just swapped the Stock RR with Ape RR to the Charging coil only and got good charging rates.

I'm asking this because I donot want to Re-wind/convert to full DC. and still be able to Run HID from the battery with Improved rate of Charging provided by the Ape RR with the Stock charging coil only.

Is this possible, anybody tried? my motto is to Run Avy Coil + nightbreaker setup with Ape RR hooked to charging coil which inturn charges battery powering HID in a modified spotlamp..

BTW mine is Pulsar 150UGIII.

Guys some lights here please.....

[drvmtm]

Guys some lights here please.....

a avy coil and a pulsy coil is different only in the ac coil which is higher in the avy one,the dc coil is same in both.
so if you want to power a 55/60 bulb+a hid thats equals to 60+40watts=100 watts-SORRY TO SAY NOT POSSIBLE.

ONLY HID~MAY OR MAY NOT BE AS THE LOCAL TRAFFIC INDUCING LOW RPM WILL DRAIN THE BATTERY~NOT POSSSIBLE.

ONLY 55/60 BULB~NOT POSSIBLE.

IF YOU FLOAT THE GROUND ALSO FROM A AVY COIL IT WILL PRODUCE ~35~40 watts of dc power which is not enough.

best option---
get a avy coilpolnk it,use 55/60 bulb with ease.no other mod needed.it will be in ac but from 2.5 rpm the bulb glows to full intensity...

[discoverVinu]

a avy coil and a pulsy coil is different only in the ac coil which is higher in the avy one,the dc coil is same in both.
so if you want to power a 55/60 bulb+a hid thats equals to 60+40watts=100 watts-SORRY TO SAY NOT POSSIBLE.

ONLY HID~MAY OR MAY NOT BE AS THE LOCAL TRAFFIC INDUCING LOW RPM WILL DRAIN THE BATTERY~NOT POSSSIBLE.

ONLY 55/60 BULB~NOT POSSIBLE.

IF YOU FLOAT THE GROUND ALSO FROM A AVY COIL IT WILL PRODUCE ~35~40 watts of dc power which is not enough.

best option---
get a avy coilpolnk it,use 55/60 bulb with ease.no other mod needed.it will be in ac but from 2.5 rpm the bulb glows to full intensity...

Dr, thanks for replying.

I'm already on Avy coil+avy RR+nightbreaker setup.( not converted to full DC) and happy with it for city usage.

for highway usage,

I want to plonk an hid directly to Battery and put Ape RR between stock charging coils and battery.

just want to know whether I can improve charging rate of battery using Ape RR on Stock charging coils . if not possible I will have to opt for Charging coils re-winding.

any suggestions?

[sajjt]

Dr, thanks for replying.

I'm already on Avy coil+avy RR+nightbreaker setup.( not converted to full DC) and happy with it for city usage.

for highway usage,

I want to plonk an hid directly to Battery and put Ape RR between stock charging coils and battery.

just want to know whether I can improve charging rate of battery using Ape RR on Stock charging coils . if not possible I will have to opt for Charging coils re-winding.

any suggestions?

Quite strange idea though if u want to keep the Stock lighting coil to the stock RR and light up a HID from charging coils then, go for coil rewinding on the charging coils with 17g it can power up the HID on highway drives. Remember on city drives it can drain the battery in no time. Hope ur bike got a kicker lever for emergecy start

[drvmtm]

sajjit bhai goin for your recommended space for aux hella the left crash guard,,thanks for the tip

[velociraptor13]

well the funda is simple...as tested by me....

19 awg wire the best quality 12.5 feet per pole on avenger coil core which is bigger the stock pulser coil core=7 amps max @7k rpm..

18 awg wire the best quality 12.5 feet per pole on avenger coil core which is bigger the stock pulser coil core=8 amps max@7 k rpm.

17 awgthe best quality 12.5 feet per pole on avenger coil core which is bigger the stock pulser coil core=12 amps @6k rpm.

so you will ask why you need 17 gauge anyway??well as for the low rpm the 17 can pull 3 yes 3 hids without a problem.
if you want to run 2 hids you need 17~18 gauge.
if you want to run 90/100 halo one bulb obviously,then 19 gauge will also do dont be so paniky,even if the winds are a bit less lets say 10-11 feet per pole why?

now i will write something it the best way to exlplain....

HID BULBS ARE LIKE MEAN BIT*HY GIRLFRIENDS WHO WILL SUCK THE LAST AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM YOU AND WHEN YOU HAVE NO MONEY THEY WILL LEAVE YOU..
girlfriend=hid
money=battery voltage
leave you=sudden switching off if the voltage below 10 volts..

ON THE OTHER HAND HALOGEN BULBS ARE LIKE VERY GOOD STEADY WIVES,THEY WILL ADJUST THEM SELVES IF YOU DONT HAVE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET ,AND THEY NEVER NEVER LEAVE YOU....

EG..
a halogen bulb 100 watts @13 volts consumes~7.7 amps

now if the voltage drops it will loose its intensity and drop its consumption,,frankly speaking you will never know its a bit less intence as the loss is never more then 10-15%.
but at the same time if you run hids it will drain the battery in 2 hours max but with a 90/100 hALO you will be running 5+hours tiptop even with a bit less charging.

hope it helps...

anyway after altering and playing a bit i got myself a hella comet spotlamp ,fitted hid 4300k in that,made a wiring kit with 40 amp relay ,rectified the vibration problem of the bixenon hid bulb and fitted all in the bike,phew.......back to ug 3 looks...




not happy with the spot lamp position though,,,it s too eye catchy,,
thinkin of fittin it here...

i have a hella comet 550,which type of hid can i plonk in? h4,h7??

[velociraptor13]

dr this idea is very nice,even iam planning to change the doom with reflector and plonk a hid bulb,but iam afraid of traffic police they might charge me for dazzle
but again if i need to put a hid in stock reflector,where should i keep the ballast?if i change to hid then i need to have a aux lamp with halogen.
option 1.hid in stock,halogen in aux
option 2.halogen in stock,hid in aux
my problem,i need to change the reflector to accommodate high wattage halogen or xenon.need to but a aux like hella.
what is your suggestion?

else planB-220 headlights-hid in projectors,halogen at the high beam part

[discoverVinu]

Quite strange idea though if u want to keep the Stock lighting coil to the stock RR and light up a HID from charging coils then, go for coil rewinding on the charging coils with 17g it can power up the HID on highway drives. Remember on city drives it can drain the battery in no time. Hope ur bike got a kicker lever for emergecy start

I removed the kicker for reducing weight. Now I have to put it back...

[NANOtechnology]

Dr, thanks for replying.

I'm already on Avy coil+avy RR+nightbreaker setup.( not converted to full DC) and happy with it for city usage.

for highway usage,

I want to plonk an hid directly to Battery and put Ape RR between stock charging coils and battery.

just want to know whether I can improve charging rate of battery using Ape RR on Stock charging coils . if not possible I will have to opt for Charging coils re-winding.

any suggestions?

i wish to know as WHY you want to do this instead of making it all DC ??
if you are buying an APE RR, Rewinding the coil too, then why don't you want full dc ??

[velociraptor13]

i wish to know as WHY you want to do this instead of making it all DC ??
if you are buying an APE RR, Rewinding the coil too, then why don't you want full dc ??

a very good question lingering in my mind since yesterday night