Engine Oils

[Pinaki]

Since HeroHonda came up with their 6000kms oil , every manufacturer is printing "extended drain" on their bottles in red . Hopefully you guys didn't take that seriously , now did you ?? .
I never run oil past 2000kms , give or take a 100 ( owing to getting the leisure to drain it & refill myself ) . I start trying to change once past 1500kms . Once poured , oil lasts in the engine for a six months max , so keep the time factor in mind too . In our elevated levels of dust, pollution , high operating temperatures, humidity, bad fuel & heavy traffic .... make that three months max .The best thing you can do for your engine is fresh new oil out of a fresh new bottle . Not expensive synthetics not advanced additives etc .. just fresh new oil . Speaking about mineral oils only , dunno about synthetics yet .

[MSN1]

Synthetic oil is good when it comes to racing or a one shot long ride

Synthetic oil became famous for its usage in racing machines, even their they wont use it for 4 digit kilometers, once racing is done they change the oil.

in our day to day city commuting its best to go with mineral oil as it is good for the bike, environment and its with in our budget.

three can's of mineral will cost you somewhere around 640 rupees and each can lasts for 2000 kms So total 6000 kms

one can synthetic (except castrol) will cost you not lesser than 750

[amitmalve]

@pinaki +1
totally agree with this. There is no substitute for a fresh engine oil.

[bobysaxena]

Yes unfortunately , it's a bit off route for you ... see if you can find a reliable shop nearby in the meantime .. or you can stock up on oil .. say once a year . I always stock up on a good oil when I find it .
Hero Honda service center will never do oil filters even if you insist on it , unless under a paid service after the free miles are over . There are 21 items of service , that is mandatory for them to do and listed clearly behind every free service slip which they make you sign as "done" every time ; but won't actually do any of those other than washing the bike , and then they use high pressure water(aquatak) without covering the silencer pipe end !! Some of these HeroHonda services will even charge you 25-50 Rs in a separate kuttcha reciept for consumables !! They are all reluctant to open up the clutch side crank cover & will warn you that you may have to replace the gasket seal after service . I've given up on them a long time ago .
There are two filters inside there i) a simple small rectangular wire mesh filter ii) simple centrifugal filter , they are shown in your owners manual too , just check it .
On the brighter side, most people (including me) have never cleaned these oil filters in their entire life, without any ill effects on the splendor engine . So I shall start worrying about oil filters after 20K kms atleast .


I am afraid you may have already ruined your new block-piston set by improper run in . The best , most advanced and expensive synthetic oil of the world cannot fix it . Next time around , run in the bike on 20w40 mineral ( which is specified by manufacturer for your engine) for atleast first 5000kms after new cylinder-piston-crank work . Even now , immediately switch to fresh new 20w40 mineral oil and run for another 1000kms and see if things improve .

Pinaki I had changed my HH oil at odo reading 2000 km with Motul 20W40 mineral oil, the sound of the engine had quitened considerably and the engine is running comparitively cool with gear shift completely effortless.However i am confused with the fuel service till date and unable to understand why i am not getting over 46 kmpl. I had changed petrol stations but not improved over my mileage factor, does it developes over running of the engine or it needs to be adjusted . Another point is regarding the fuel capacity of my bike, as per manual the tank capacity is 9.5 ltrs inc 1.8 ltrs reserve, but i have found that it accomodates 11 + litres easily over the reserve capacity. I am asking this questions because i am not earlier habituated with driving this kind of new gen bike. I had riden original enfield bullet from 1978 onwards till 2004, later discontinued due to a cardiac arrest and started driving 4 wheelers. However my love for bike had made me to compromise from enfield to Hero Honda, hope you can understand my sentiment. Thanks for your advice.

[vipin_s]

I had riden original enfield bullet from 1978 onwards till 2004, later discontinued due to a cardiac arrest and started driving 4 wheelers. However my love for bike had made me to compromise from enfield to Hero Honda, hope you can understand my sentiment. Thanks for your advice.

Sir, Same case with my uncle, he was great lover of Bullets/Javas, though he can afford car for commuting, he is more happy with his splendor and now he praises super splendor for it's 'cushion'y drive, reliability & simplicity..

[madhav krishna]

The name semi synthetic is kinda misleading. Semi synth oil contains only 5% - 30% synthetic molecules (not 50%), that too varies from brand to brand, oil to oil.. (remember the the ad of castrol activ..? They say NOW WITH SYNTHETIC TECHNOLOGY..!! And its priced 200 something...)
i mean even with semi synth oil no one should think of extending the oil Change interval. (as one does with synthetic oils)
because oil picks dirt, dust & by-products of combustion which includes acids & other harmful stuff.. I bet you dont want all these bad things circulating within your engine.. (with oil).
Btw, if full synthetic oils are changed between 2-3k interval, the engine WILL last for lifetime. (because those by-products of combustion are constant.. i.e. Rate of oil contamination will be same.. Regardless of oil being used)
but people tend to extend change intervals because of the price factor.

Well many of your points are absolutely true. But regarding the synthetics & minerals then there is something called as viscosity. The synthetics have a better flow of oil & sticks better to the engine wall even after a lot of kms. While the mineral tends to loose its viscosity past 2k kms. But one inescapable fact is that in small commuter engines like splendor, etc its not worth putting the costly synthetics as they cannot show their full performance.
Rather it would be worth to put the synthetics in a minimum of 125cc(though 150 would be the best) to extract the best performance out of it.

in our day to day city commuting its best to go with mineral oil as it is good for the bike, environment and its with in our budget.

The minerals do come in our budget but the synthetics would make a better sense in the long run.

one can synthetic (except castrol) will cost you not lesser than 750

WRONG. Agip racing 4t 5W40 (synth) retails for some 620 bucks & petronas sprinta retails for some <500 bucks.

[Pinaki]

Pinaki I had changed my HH oil at odo reading 2000 km with Motul 20W40 mineral oil, the sound of the engine had quitened considerably and the engine is running comparitively cool with gear shift completely effortless.However i am confused with the fuel service till date and unable to understand why i am not getting over 46 kmpl. I had changed petrol stations but not improved over my mileage factor, does it developes over running of the engine or it needs to be adjusted . Another point is regarding the fuel capacity of my bike, as per manual the tank capacity is 9.5 ltrs inc 1.8 ltrs reserve, but i have found that it accomodates 11 + litres easily over the reserve capacity. I am asking this questions because i am not earlier habituated with driving this kind of new gen bike. I had riden original enfield bullet from 1978 onwards till 2004, later discontinued due to a cardiac arrest and started driving 4 wheelers. However my love for bike had made me to compromise from enfield to Hero Honda, hope you can understand my sentiment. Thanks for your advice.

Thanks Boby'jee ... yes I understand your feelings after the enfield . Keep running in with the motul 20w40 changing it every 1500kms untill the new bore & piston becomes smooth and well set . Drain the oil when the engine is very hot .
It will take sometime for your fuel mileage to go up since the engine is new .. the service center must have set the carb to a rich mix . This is well for now . After say 5000km .. you can adjust the carb to a leaner mix , not now . Also other factors effect fuel mileage .. like proper tyre pressure , drive chain oiling & slack , riding style & conditions etc etc . In my experience, the Splendor's fuel mileage is particularly sensitive to tyre pressure , fuel quality , correct valve clearance setting and a correctly slacked and oiled chain . Also check if both the front and rear brake shoes are correctly adjusted and not rubbing the drum un-necessarily . Be careful not to ride on the brake pedal or "half-clutch" habitually .
Never fill the fuel tank above the capacity specified in the owner's manual . There is a good reason the manufacturers left an amount of empty space in there ... leave it like that . If you fill just a liter or two above reserve everytime and measure reserve to reserve miles , your mileage will also go up .. rather than a tankfull to empty method .

[SriKi.GSpian]

Hi everybody...this is krishna..i own a p220f(carb) ! i have completed 2500kms in it...had my 1 st oil change at 500kms during service(bajaj oil)....and the second oil change at 2000kms(motul mineral oil) ! but the performance of my bike has decreased a lot and there is no positive response in the acceleration although gear shifting is fine...i am planning to give my bike for service the coming week..should i change the mineral oil(which has run just 500kms)and pour the bajaj oil during service?? or should i change to synthetic oil of motul (300v) or castrol power1 racing or mobil1,as many of them tell that bajaj 10000 oil is crap oil !?!

[prakhararya]

Try Motul 5100 Semi Synth !

[Rtrlover83]

@all

Guy's, kindly suggest the best engine oil and 2T oil (please refer the grade too) for my uncle's KB125 RTZ 2 stroke.

Waiting for any advice...

[pioneeraron]

@all

Guy's, kindly suggest the best engine oil and 2T oil (please refer the grade too) for my uncle's KB125 RTZ 2 stroke.

Waiting for any advice...

You can use Gulf.Both engine oil and 2T

[Rtrlover83]

You can use Gulf.Both engine oil and 2T

Thanks
If possible, could you suggest the product name and grade, especially as regards the engine oil?

[hunkofgals]

guys suggest me the engine oils available in 20w40 semi synthetic less than 500
can u please give me various oils available in the market
help me asap please

[Pinaki]

@all
Guy's, kindly suggest the best engine oil and 2T oil (please refer the grade too) for my uncle's KB125 RTZ 2 stroke.
Waiting for any advice...

Very few oils remaining in the market specific for 2-stroke gearbox . One is HP (hindustan petroleum) HYLUBE HDX MULTIGRADE 20W40 another is Yamalube 20W40 ( forgot the name) available at Yamaha service centers .
For 2T ( premix with petrol or in seperate injection tank) Gulf pride 2T / Motul motomix 2T / elf 2T moto / Yamalube 2T ( from Yass) is good . Motul 800 2T (Racing line) is very expensive & superb for racing . 20ml per liter .

guys suggest me the engine oils available in 20w40 semi synthetic less than 500
can u please give me various oils available in the market
help me asap please

No 20w40 semi-synthetic in the market in India AFAIK . What bike .. give some more details please .

[Rtrlover83]

^^
Thank's for the advice...