Helmets

[Bharat9581]

Re: Helmets

Do not, I repeat, do not look for DOT standard. It's just honorary.

If you want safety, get ECE Certified one.
Would recommend SMK Twister.

If you want to be law abiding, get a Studds Shifter.

I know that DOT is just a certification the helmets manufacturers have to comply unlike mandatory testing of ECE certification. But we will be sure that the manufacturer tested the helmet to comply with DOT certification. Im not taking a stand alone DOT helmet. I want a Dual Certification. ECE+ISI seems to be non existent. I dont wanna break the law or my head. Both are important.

So, that.

Thanks.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Hi All,

Im planning to buy a helmet. Was looking for ECE & DOT certified helmets when i came across the news about Non ISI helmets rule. Can anyone share a light on the same.


Thanks.

P.S. Do suggest me some good helmets in the range of 3000-5500 INR.

Do not, I repeat, do not look for DOT standard. It's just honorary.

If you want safety, get ECE Certified one.
Would recommend SMK Twister.

If you want to be law abiding, get a Studds Shifter.

[hemanta]

Re: Helmets

Hi All,

Im planning to buy a helmet. Was looking for ECE & DOT certified helmets when i came across the news about Non ISI helmets rule. Can anyone share a light on the same.


Thanks.

P.S. Do suggest me some good helmets in the range of 3000-5500 INR.

Final verdict by govt not out yet. If you want to be law abiding go for ISI helmet. Studds thunder I found to be the best ISI helmet, better than the studds shifter even though it's cheaper. Studds scorpion is also good along with Vega Cara.

[Bharat9581]

Re: Helmets

Hi All,

Im planning to buy a helmet. Was looking for ECE & DOT certified helmets when i came across the news about Non ISI helmets rule. Can anyone share a light on the same.


Thanks.

P.S. Do suggest me some good helmets in the range of 3000-5500 INR.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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At the price below 10 k,I guess hjc Cl-17 is a good pick,though the shell is polycarbonate,it has passed snell- M2015,and the shell manufacturing,sizes, available graphics etc seems to be uniform for all countries.

HJC cL17 is a darn good helmet without a doubt.

[Thamps]

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I would say you never did a thorough research then sir.

ECE doesn't need to be printed, firstly. I do not need it printed at all, a sticker is better infact. It should come with the standard ECE print booklet.
Secondly DOT is a honorary and a very inferior standard, I don't even want DOT written on my helmet ! It is that inferior.

Keeping LS2 at side for no DOT ? I would call this a half baked research honestly.

Atom is a good helmet though, but nothing close to LS2 quality.

At the price below 10 k,I guess hjc Cl-17 is a good pick,though the shell is polycarbonate,it has passed snell- M2015,and the shell manufacturing,sizes, available graphics etc seems to be uniform for all countries.

[black asp]

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I know you did, you come across as a knowledgeable and sensible person to me from our past conversations. And I know the interpretation was wrong, cheers mate.

Excuse me for that.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Got your point but that post came out as something different.

CHEERS

I know you did, you come across as a knowledgeable and sensible person to me from our past conversations. And I know the interpretation was wrong, cheers mate.

[black asp]

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I never said it's wrong in having a double D ring, what I wanted to say was that manufacturers are shying on other aspects of the helmet since most Indian customers do not have a very high knowledge and just go for the one with a double D ring closure instead of the one with an overall better specifications score.

Got your point but that post came out as something different.

CHEERS

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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I was not talking about the data(nor do i have any data) on how much force would a well designed micrometric ratchet like the heavy duty one in LS2 FF 397 will take. What i said was what's wrong with having D ring. It has no moving parts(to grow old and fail) and by design will be become tighter the harder it is tried to pry open. The blanket statement was regarding the Indian statement.

I never said it's wrong in having a double D ring, what I wanted to say was that manufacturers are shying on other aspects of the helmet since most Indian customers do not have a very high knowledge and just go for the one with a double D ring closure instead of the one with an overall better specifications score.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Can i know the motivation behind presenting such a blanket statement? What's wrong with going for extra protection? Did you ever see a relatively low speed accident that a polycarb shell would have been sufficient for but the rider sustained brain injuries and passed away as a result of the ratchet lock buckling and coming off? If no then please don't make such statements.

I agree it was wrongly interpreted, what I meant to say is, ECE has standards set even for the micrometric buckle closure system.
Brands selling helmets - They have micrometric buckles with variable shell sizes, variable EPS, better build quality than Indian market specific helmets.

What do we as motorcyclists here in India get ? A double D ring which is not as important as features mentioned above.

Though I highly agree that it is better than a micrometric closure, but I would still pick shell size, EPS density and other gradients above the double D ring, if given a choice.

Also, if you have any data or proof that ratchet buckles come off in the event of a crash, I would be happy to see that data. They are standard set by ECE and are totally safe.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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Moving on from Polycarbonate shells. Any recommendations for fibreglass?

I just want to try on the fibreglass tech. Wont probably buy it for regular use but would sure like to know the differences, advantages and disadvantages over omnipresent polycarb shells.

Polycarbonate shells do not dissipate forces completely and so tend to tear apart with a single or two cracks on impact.
Fiberglass shells spread the forces and get multiple cracks on impact, spreading the forces completely.

The disadvantage is that fiberglass shells are costlier to manufacture.

For fiberglass under 10k, there is an option from Zeus which is not available currently, LS2 ff323 is available but in simple graphics, graphics ones cost way above. Hope it helps.

The second thing to look at is EPS, a multiple density EPS is better, hard EPS for harsh impacts and the softer one for slow speed or lighter impacts.
A single density EPS is mostly used for cost cutting measures.

Now bringing this again to LS2 ff324 and MT atom, LS2 gets a multiple density EPS while MT gets a single one as per SPG.
Both helmets are made from Polycarbonate (forget the word wizardry on their sites, it's polycarbonate)

[a_shirke8]

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Moving on from Polycarbonate shells. Any recommendations for fibreglass?

I just want to try on the fibreglass tech. Wont probably buy it for regular use but would sure like to know the differences, advantages and disadvantages over omnipresent polycarb shells.

[MidnightEvil Parth]

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[emoji1374]
In that case there is no point me giving any opinion [emoji16]

True sir. DOT is a standard no one with any research would want to look at. Thanks for the help though.

[VivekRj.Dieselhead]

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I would say you never did a thorough research then sir.

ECE doesn't need to be printed, firstly. I do not need it printed at all, a sticker is better infact. It should come with the standard ECE print booklet.
Secondly DOT is a honorary and a very inferior standard, I don't even want DOT written on my helmet ! It is that inferior.

Keeping LS2 at side for no DOT ? I would call this a half baked research honestly.

Atom is a good helmet though, but nothing close to LS2 quality.

[emoji1374]
In that case there is no point me giving any opinion [emoji16]