Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[Skanda]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

I have the 4" Osram chip that you are speaking about and these are of 10W and consume 1.8A current (Set of 2). But don't be fooled by the numbers, these are very very bright. I'm using 60W*2 led on my car and it's way better than Hella auxiliary lights (I hated Hella and sold those after getting the OSRAM lights). These 60W led's put my 55W HID (with high end ballast) to shame. Have posted a pic of tese some posts back but since the post, I have refocused them and I am now utilising the full power of these lights. People have opened these light bars and have verified that these are not original OSRAM LED chips but normal LED's that are made to run at 1.5W. But their light out put is very high, specially those of 10 degree spot lights. I have attached a link which shows Phillips LED bar having normal 3030 1W chips. Same is the case with OSRAM. I have been using them for more than a year and never gave me a problem. However, for the price I paid, these are the best ones than CREE and Hella auxiliary lights, be it for bike or for car. Another advantage is, these consume very less Amperage and are very good on batteries.

Some pics of 30W testing. These are ready to be installed on D390, may be after few weeks.

Video link

[theironhorse99]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

i run on Cyclops H4 + 10w 30 degree beams mounted on frame sliders . one led each of 10watts.
i got exact ones for friends FZ and mounted on crash guards on either side and these are amazingly bright.

[gunner143]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

I have the 4" Osram chip that you are speaking about and these are of 10W and consume 1.8A current (Set of 2). But don't be fooled by the numbers, these are very very bright. I'm using 60W*2 led on my car and it's way better than Hella auxiliary lights (I hated Hella and sold those after getting the OSRAM lights). These 60W led's put my 55W HID (with high end ballast) to shame. Have posted a pic of tese some posts back but since the post, I have refocused them and I am now utilising the full power of these lights. People have opened these light bars and have verified that these are not original OSRAM LED chips but normal LED's that are made to run at 1.5W. But their light out put is very high, specially those of 10 degree spot lights. I have attached a link which shows Phillips LED bar having normal 3030 1W chips. Same is the case with OSRAM. I have been using them for more than a year and never gave me a problem. However, for the price I paid, these are the best ones than CREE and Hella auxiliary lights, be it for bike or for car. Another advantage is, these consume very less Amperage and are very good on batteries.

Some pics of 30W testing. These are ready to be installed on D390, may be after few weeks.

Video link

So the combined wattage of these 2 is 20 watts , well on the brighter side i can get 4 of these for my 200ns

Will get 2 switches for them and aim 2 for low beam and the other 2 for higher beam lolzz,

Also which 60w*2 leds are you using for your car ??

Can u post a few pics for the light output of the 30w leds.??
Wud like to see what kind of spot beam them put.

[Skanda]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

So the combined wattage of these 2 is 20 watts , well on the brighter side i can get 4 of these for my 200ns

Will get 2 switches for them and aim 2 for low beam and the other 2 for higher beam lolzz,

Also which 60w*2 leds are you using for your car ??

Can u post a few pics for the light output of the 30w leds.??
Wud like to see what kind of spot beam them put.

That combination would be killer! I'm using the Osram 60W, 7" spot lights (10 degree spot) with fisheye lens. Will try to take a picture of that sometime. Check out YouTube for videos on them. There's are plenty of videos on comparison with other led's such as Cree and Phillips. And never think of buying Cree, Cree output is one of the worst I have seen when compared to others. I also had 36 led Cree spot and sold them on olx

[gunner143]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

That combination would be killer! I'm using the Osram 60W, 7" spot lights (10 degree spot) with fisheye lens. Will try to take a picture of that sometime. Check out YouTube for videos on them. There's are plenty of videos on comparison with other led's such as Cree and Phillips. And never think of buying Cree, Cree output is one of the worst I have seen when compared to others. I also had 36 led Cree spot and sold them on olx

Too bad i dont have enuf space on leg guards of my bike.
Do you have any other ideas where i can install the 2nd pair??
I was thinkin of puttin them on shockers , but gotta come up with some sort of jugaad because drilling holes in shocks wont be wise

[Skanda]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

Too bad i dont have enuf space on leg guards of my bike.
Do you have any other ideas where i can install the 2nd pair??
I was thinkin of puttin them on shockers , but gotta come up with some sort of jugaad because drilling holes in shocks wont be wise

There are motorcycle mount brackets available which can be put on front suspension (for inverted forks). Something like this -> http://s.aliexpress.com/7fMFbaAJ. Measure your fork and buy the bracket and then you can install 2 lights on the fork. But it's a costly affair. Alternatively, go to a lathe machine and get some mounts done for the size of your shock, should come cheap.

[gunner143]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

There are motorcycle mount brackets available which can be put on front suspension (for inverted forks). Something like this -> http://s.aliexpress.com/7fMFbaAJ. Measure your fork and buy the bracket and then you can install 2 lights on the fork. But it's a costly affair. Alternatively, go to a lathe machine and get some mounts done for the size of your shock, should come cheap.

Well my first priority would be to look for clamp that fits my leg guard.
Im kinda concerned that the clamp might damage the shocker in the long run.

[gunner143]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

Lol looks like these 4 inch 18w led bar are selling at super cheap rates in karol bagh
Had a look at a nice pair today, costs Rs1400 that too in a nice spot configuration.

Lol now i am having 2nd thoughts now , i had ordered a pair of 30w led bar for 3200 not so log ago from aliexpress.

For a lil bit more i can get a 2 pairs lolz,
Only problem is that, that i will look like i am riding a christmas tree lolz.

[Skanda]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

Lol looks like these 4 inch 18w led bar are selling at super cheap rates in karol bagh
Had a look at a nice pair today, costs Rs1400 that too in a nice spot configuration.

Lol now i am having 2nd thoughts now , i had ordered a pair of 30w led bar for 3200 not so log ago from aliexpress.

For a lil bit more i can get a 2 pairs lolz,
Only problem is that, that i will look like i am riding a christmas tree lolz.

Are these 18W the one with CREE led's? If there are, they suck, don't buy them. I used 36W 12 led's Cree for my car and sold them with in a week. The osram ones are superb. And there is no need to buy brackets for crash guard, just go to a wedding shop, take 1.5" or 2" square piece of metal with 2mm or 3mm gauge, drill a 8mm or 10mm hole and get it welded to your crash guard. Might charge 100rs or 150rs at max! Similar to this, I got it done for my RTR.

[gunner143]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

Are these 18W the one with CREE led's? If there are, they suck, don't buy them. I used 36W 12 led's Cree for my car and sold them with in a week. The osram ones are superb. And there is no need to buy brackets for crash guard, just go to a wedding shop, take 1.5" or 2" square piece of metal with 2mm or 3mm gauge, drill a 8mm or 10mm hole and get it welded to your crash guard. Might charge 100rs or 150rs at max! Similar to this, I got it done for my RTR.

Yep the only prob is if you take a fall , these aux lamps are at risk.
Although they are very sturdy,(my cheapo pair has survived 3 minor ones) but still they are at risk.

[ssrraghav]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

Hi all... This post is purely for my knowledge and may be in near future I may upgrade to hid based on feasibility and availability of sources in my area...

Coming to my bike, it's PULSAR RS200... It has twin projector setup... H9 type projector for high beam and H11 projector for low beam... Normally for lowbeam only H11 projector glows... For high beam both projector glows... Forgot to mention that H9 uses 65W stock halogen bulb and H11 uses 55W halogen bulb...

I use to travel a lot in night so I would possibly upgrade to hid-xenon lights...

Now below are my doubts...

1) what are good brands in hid bulb..?

2) what is ballast..?

3) do I require ballast..?

4) I can see 35W hid and 55W hid available in market... Which will suit me best and why..?

5) due to this upgrade will it impact battery..? Bcoz stock halogen itself uses 55+65 for high beam, so I assume it won't impact...

6) I know theoretical calculations of lumens emmitted by hid and halogen but I also came to know about energy waste as heat... So somewhere I read like practically there won't be much difference between 35w vs 55w hid... Pls explain this in layman terms...

7) I have seen intensity from 3000k to 15000k but I don't want to be cop magnet, so I want to stay very nearest to halogens... So is it 3000k or 4300k...? Or suggest any other which is near to halogen intensity.,.

8 ) also I heard the lower the intensity the brighter and more the visibility, in that case which will be best..? I want optimum light and visibility in night travels...

9) as I have explained my headlight setup already, other than hid bulb any other thing that would be needed or to be upgraded for this hid upgrade...

Pls note I donot want to tamper my battery as my bike has only self start and no kick start...

I still have lot of doubts but it will make the post big... Pls respond, and it will be helpful for me and many... Thanks in advance...

[Skanda]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

Hi all... This post is purely for my knowledge and may be in near future I may upgrade to hid based on feasibility and availability of sources in my area...

Coming to my bike, it's PULSAR RS200... It has twin projector setup... H9 type projector for high beam and H11 projector for low beam... Normally for lowbeam only H11 projector glows... For high beam both projector glows... Forgot to mention that H9 uses 65W stock halogen bulb and H11 uses 55W halogen bulb...

I use to travel a lot in night so I would possibly upgrade to hid-xenon lights...

Now below are my doubts...

1) what are good brands in hid bulb..?

2) what is ballast..?

3) do I require ballast..?

4) I can see 35W hid and 55W hid available in market... Which will suit me best and why..?

5) due to this upgrade will it impact battery..? Bcoz stock halogen itself uses 55+65 for high beam, so I assume it won't impact...

6) I know theoretical calculations of lumens emmitted by hid and halogen but I also came to know about energy waste as heat... So somewhere I read like practically there won't be much difference between 35w vs 55w hid... Pls explain this in layman terms...

7) I have seen intensity from 3000k to 15000k but I don't want to be cop magnet, so I want to stay very nearest to halogens... So is it 3000k or 4300k...? Or suggest any other which is near to halogen intensity.,.

8 ) also I heard the lower the intensity the brighter and more the visibility, in that case which will be best..? I want optimum light and visibility in night travels...

9) as I have explained my headlight setup already, other than hid bulb any other thing that would be needed or to be upgraded for this hid upgrade...

Pls note I donot want to tamper my battery as my bike has only self start and no kick start...

I still have lot of doubts but it will make the post big... Pls respond, and it will be helpful for me and many... Thanks in advance...

1. Phillips and Osram are good brands in India coasting almost 10k. Others are generic China make and check for Zenex ballast. Check this video https://youtu.be/fPZ9-GaOvE0

2. Ballast is what produces high voltage required for the arc to develop in the bulbs. This is the single most important thing in hid's.

3. Of course you need for hid's. Led's have driver and hid's have ballast. Invest in good one.

4. There are many projectors which do not take the heat from 55w ballast. Bulbs are same for 55 and 35w, just the ballast differ. Good projector headlight can take 55w, but there are very few of them. And also, many 55w ballast just produces 35 to 40w and many 35 ones produces only 20 to 25. So investing in good ballast is very important.

5. There won't be much impact if you use it while the vehicle is on. Else it drains quickly.

6. If your projector can take 55w, them by all means you can use 55w ballast.

7. 4300k or 5000k at the max. Others have very poor visibility when it rains.

8. Point 7

9. Another important thing is, never use hids in projector that is meant for halogens. They both are very different and hid's produces more heat than halogens. If you use hid's in halogen projector, they might melt or the reflector would get damaged producing very less light over time.

[ssrraghav]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

1. Phillips and Osram are good brands in India coasting almost 10k. Others are generic China make and check for Zenex ballast. Check this video https://youtu.be/fPZ9-GaOvE0

2. Ballast is what produces high voltage required for the arc to develop in the bulbs. This is the single most important thing in hid's.

3. Of course you need for hid's. Led's have driver and hid's have ballast. Invest in good one.

4. There are many projectors which do not take the heat from 55w ballast. Bulbs are same for 55 and 35w, just the ballast differ. Good projector headlight can take 55w, but there are very few of them. And also, many 55w ballast just produces 35 to 40w and many 35 ones produces only 20 to 25. So investing in good ballast is very important.

5. There won't be much impact if you use it while the vehicle is on. Else it drains quickly.

6. If your projector can take 55w, them by all means you can use 55w ballast.

7. 4300k or 5000k at the max. Others have very poor visibility when it rains.

8. Point 7

9. Another important thing is, never use his in projector that is meant for halogens. They both are very different and hid's produces more heat than halogens. If you use hid's in halogen projector, they might melt or the reflector would get damaged producing very less light over time.

Thanks for the reply... I will check more on ballast and diff between halogen projectors and hid projector... Most of my points are clear...

Yet I would like to have opinions from others also... No offense though... Just for knowledge and sharing as it's a good learning to me...

[PedalTramp]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

Osram Night Racer Plus headlamp bulb has 3 variants.

64185NRP
64193NRP
64210NRP

Which one would be a direct fit to my Hero Glamour 2015?

NIGHT RACER PLUS | Halogen headlight lamps for... | OSRAM

[gunner143]

Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

1. Phillips and Osram are good brands in India coasting almost 10k. Others are generic China make and check for Zenex ballast. Check this video https://youtu.be/fPZ9-GaOvE0

2. Ballast is what produces high voltage required for the arc to develop in the bulbs. This is the single most important thing in hid's.

3. Of course you need for hid's. Led's have driver and hid's have ballast. Invest in good one.

4. There are many projectors which do not take the heat from 55w ballast. Bulbs are same for 55 and 35w, just the ballast differ. Good projector headlight can take 55w, but there are very few of them. And also, many 55w ballast just produces 35 to 40w and many 35 ones produces only 20 to 25. So investing in good ballast is very important.

5. There won't be much impact if you use it while the vehicle is on. Else it drains quickly.

6. If your projector can take 55w, them by all means you can use 55w ballast.

7. 4300k or 5000k at the max. Others have very poor visibility when it rains.

8. Point 7

9. Another important thing is, never use hids in projector that is meant for halogens. They both are very different and hid's produces more heat than halogens. If you use hid's in halogen projector, they might melt or the reflector would get damaged producing very less light over time.

Whats the amp consumption of you 36w leds on your getz per light??
Also u said tledsosram 30w leds actually consume about 10w, is this consumption for 2 lights or 1 light takes 10w ??