if hills are your criteria then the ZMR, ZMA & fazer/fz are bikes you are looking for. If you have a pillion rider then the R15 is not a right choice. The p220 is also a good bike for hills but i wouldnt suggest it if very low maintanence is your criteria.

BTW the person who told you about ZMR is in a way right. The ZMR is having a full fairing which decreases the cooling & hence it has a few heating issues. I have even heard that the bike's oil cooler is placed in such a position that it affects the bike's cooling. The R15 is also having a full fairing but it also has liquid cooling which far more powerful & efficient than the oil cooler. But the ZMR is better than the p220(maintenence wise & not speed wise).

If I were you & had money & choice then i would had gone for either ZMA or R15 because paying 1.2 lacs for a bike (ZMR) which is slower than the lesser priced R15 would not make any sense & paying 80k for a bike(fazer) which is slower than the equally priced ZMA also wouldnt make any sense.

The apache (160 & 180) are the best bikes you can get in your money but go for them if you dont care about the vibrations.

definitely zmr have more feautures....but they come at extra premium of 20k around. i think zma-r also fits the bill.

dont get confused with so many bikes in mind, start taking test rides and shortlist them which are suitable to you.

you relized your problem when you were going to shimla.. well iam from shimla.. and you want to buy some thing... go for fazer or r15... don't think taht fazer is 74grand trust me its worth it... iam a lot in street racing... there is one bike tht beats shit out of fazer is r15 i salute it.. but when it come to steep climbs.. as you have been on the route so you must be knowing the up hill climb of 75 to 80 kms from kalka to shimla.. fazer is far better then rtr,zmr and clearly better then pulsar 220... they lack that uphill tourque you need for extreme power full and fast overtakes.. were you got to pull speed from 20 to 50 in just secnds...if you want to drive till 85 its the best but not after that... it takes hell amout of time to reach 100 and 110.. thats were it goes actuly not more then taht.. braking.. 80 to halt.. before you can even think of that to down hill.. no skids. and awesome balance.. perfectly balanced bike i must say... cornering... i wonder how mny can scrap there knees on rtr,zmr,pulsar.. i knw r15 cn do.. get a bit of racing dna after riding it soon you'll be touching your knees even on fz.. without loosing grip... drive it any way u like.. its still better then you... still cant beat how much potential its got in it..
and i read in one of the threads mentioning about its just 150... come on.. grow up.. its such an out dated thinking about cc.. look at the performace.. r15 in just 149cc... and the fastest on road.. its never abt cc... or bhp.. its about what finaly its doing on road...not on pamplets... i won't mind if tommorow.. yamaha comes with 50cc which runs 200kmph.. dude its yamaha they are focused on what they do... bikes means bike.. truely proffesional... and yamaha is not a fool to price it so high above others.. dude you got to pay for quality.. thts why you still see rx100 on road.. and why not boxer,caliber,cd dawn,cd 100 and many more cant even remember there names.. go to any yamaha guy and ask does he want to sale his bike.. he'll say aan.. no i don't unless he really needs an upgrade... and his too bored.. but go and ask any pulsar wala.. he'll say take it.. and he'll start calling you day and nite when you want to buy it sir.. you got one more option also... bullet.. and now dazzler is also out.. iam sure its good. read its reviews in bike magzine... pretty impressive tho not the looks.. because after looks performance matters a lot.. and if you have some time to wait.. wait bajaj might launch pulsar350,600 or might even start a sequence 220,221,222,223,224 and then 225 a,225 b.. 225 i,225a+b

no hard feelings for any one.. it just might be iam a true yamaha fan.. so don't take it personly

bro you are using too much of sms lingo which is not allowed on xbhp. So take care of it before posting from the next time.

sorry my bad.. edited it.. will make sure it doesnt happen in future.. and thanks for pointing me out...

the above highlighted bold lines do take me by surprise...and in a way its wrongly put up.also i would like to mention that street racing is not encouraged here.and fanboyism is discouraged too...help the TS with a bike according to his needs not according to how others think or your opinion on a particular brand

he is telling Fazer has got more Torque than P220 .. ha ha ha

Man i bet you never rode P220 or Karizma . LOL ..

i can understand ones love for his bike.. every one has it .
But when you try to express it by statements that are not facts
that too in Xbhp you should have think twice

Whether its uphill or downhill or straight line Fazer cannot be compared to p220 (except in handling and cornering) . I am also a Yamaha fan and i should say Fazer is a really nice bike. It has got looks and build quality but you can never compare it with P220 or Karizma in Torque or power .

street racing i didnt mean i do it for bugs... it often happen between friends... and iam sorry just because i love racing i cant go to chennai track daily.. have to manage with normal roads. and regarding torque.. i just compared diffrent bikes togther in one situtation and regarding the r15 you have underlined i just made an attempt to clear the concept regarding cc and i hope there is no harm in giving an example.. thats makes things easier to understand doesnt it.. and what i said about resale is that even after years he will not bang his head or curse me for making a wrong choice.. because whats the fun spending 80k and u start banging your head after 80mins...
iam sorry if my language sounded a bit rude...just tried to help him..and its not about particular brand.. i my self litrely went to every guy owning i could find in shimla.. chandigarh, ambala had word with them and then finally decided... and with personal experince in my family (including all realtives )we have 31 yamaha bikes out of which 22 are rx 100.i dont fancy yamaha...if they are good i just admit it.. and if some thing is bad.. accept it

racing on streets is not only illegal but dangerous.first get that.you are endangering not only yours but others.

your torque comparison is wrong.220dtsi followed by zma and zmr have greater torques than fz or fazer.i owned fz and fazer for a period of 1 year with 10k kms on each.resale value for bajaj is worst followed by tvs or yamaha...only honda or hero honda shine in this department.

its not about rude language but misinterpretation of info...

If something is a fact accept it . P220 is miles ahead in performance comparing to fazer . Dont want to start a brand war in this thread and this is not the place for that . But when guys post some thing like this those are not facts in a bike suggestion thread which is refereed by many , some one has to correct it .
i am not commenting about the quality or reliability . Every one know yamaha is the king of reliability . But In performance Fazer cant be compared to even
Rtr 180 or Karizma . P220 is one step ahead of these two .

As everyone said ZMA-R is the best option if you are not much concerned about FE and probably you will never get such engine as the 1 Karizma Have in India
About R15...amazing feel while riding bike...but i'm sure u wont dare to drive bike for 150 kms at stretch
P220 gives better response if you use bike efficiently...' if you can take care of your bike'
ZMR- dont think about your looks and all....finally its you who's going to enjoy riding...others are just going to look @ you...bike is superb and no issues with bike
Fazer...If you are a speed freak dont go for this option.....bike drinks petrol at higher speed
Finally its your choice...and dont think about what people say...do what you want to do...because its finally u who's going to put money and ride the bike!!!!!

I am a engineer (a marine engineer/ i am an engineer)
profession
torque
pamphlet
practically

Cool down, take few deep breaths, soak in the fresh air of Shimla, ride P-220 back to back with a Karizma and Fazer and I am sure you might have a difference of opinion.

Hey rishu, my requirements were pretty much the same when I started looking at bike 2 months back - I needed it for commute to office, had HH Passion earlier etc., except the touring part.

I did the detailed TD of the bikes and then decided on R15. You can go through my TD comparision on this thread:


To clear certain things its pretty comfortable. Initially I had shoulder pain for 3-4 days, but later there is no problem. Also note, I experienced this same pain (initial 3-4 days) when I used my friends Unicorn for 3 weeks. So this is only till you get adjusted, after that I find it comfortable.

Hope this helps.

Buddy..My height is almost 5"7' and most of the time I would be doing city travel including once in a month highway usage of 250 Kms..My highway usage is not daily and my office is just 5 Kms from my place so I think backache problems wont be much..And well who doesnt want to look good while riding and impress girls..!!!.....And moreover I am single now so would be good if I can impress some lovely souls...!!..
I would like to mention here is that I am not the one who takes too much care of the vehicle..I have driven passion and just regular servicing was what I did...But being HH, it never gave me trouble..
So I would prefer a bike which doesnt need too much of care..just regular servicing....And thats why I am keeping Bajaj out of list...
I think as far as reliability is concerned HH is best but Yamaha is also not too behind...

So right now I am thinking about ZMR and R15...In few days I am planing to visit HH and sit on ZMR...(Because I doubt that it might look big for my height...R15 looks perfect for my height..)

Hey Sushant..Thanks for your inputs..And thanks for your time in writing this..Well when I see fazer on roads, I just love the way it looks...It was my top choice before starting this thread....Its good to hear that its performing well on hills...And you have red color Fazer??...I think I saw a red color Fazer while my visit to Shimla...Might be you??.......
Hmm..Actually I am more in favor of R15 just because its faster and can reach 100+ easily(might be helpful when drive highway plains) and its 17 BHP.....And buddy I hope its not that bad on hills??...Should be atleast better than my passion...!!...

So what do you suggest?..Shall I spend 30K more on R15 or should go for Fazer??...