The Official Pune Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[Devilpulsarian]

@All: Pls. make a note of the fact that gearless riders wont be allowed on xBhp rides..!!



Let me clarify here...no/bad quality gear is strictly not allowed in here..!! In delhi it may be..but here no..!! No second thoughts about it..

If one can afford 10-12k phones..they can surely afford around 3-4k of GOOD gear..!! Hope no doubt prevails in mind..!!

Inder think of those who are not earning, looking out for jobs, are students or who are dependent on ther parents or have just started earning.
5-10k is still a massive amount for an average Indian more so if he belongs to either of the categories mentioned above.

Moreover, we never learnt/learn when we had a stick hanging on our heads. This needs to be inculcated into people not forcibly enforced on them.

Looking at a broader picture, the best they would do is move out and join/form another irresponsible group or ride on their own.
This way we are not helping the biking community in any way. The motto of xbhp says we want to inculcate safety, spread awareness and project biking as a lifestyle in India.

Strict rules regarding safety of a human being are always welcome but a basic layout and awareness is needed to be spread before we put the 'enforcing' mode on...!

[inder.cool]

^ Saad, its these kinda riders/people who crash and the word is spread on xBhp that he belonged to Mumbai/Pune xBhp..then the liability comes over to the persons co-ordinating for the meet. They are put at fault why wasnt it checked whether they were geared or not..

[satyenpoojary]

Inder think of those who are not earning, looking out for jobs, are students or who are dependent on ther parents or have just started earning.
5-10k is still a massive amount for an average Indian more so if he belongs to either of the categories mentioned above.

Moreover, we never learnt/learn when we had a stick hanging on our heads. This needs to be inculcated into people not forcibly enforced on them.

Looking at a broader picture, the best they would do is move out and join/form another irresponsible group or ride on their own.
This way we are not helping the biking community in any way. The motto of xbhp says we want to inculcate safety, spread awareness and project biking as a lifestyle in India.

Strict rules regarding safety of a human being are always welcome but a basic layout and awareness is needed to be spread before we put the 'enforcing' mode on...!

+1
Basic gear can be and has to be a mandate, a full gear is definitely cant be thrown on to all.

PS: To blow some myth out, a lot of people in Pune are riding tex, rubber gloves in short wearing non knuckle protective gloves. I am afraid they are not meant for the riding we do, a good skid in the tarmac and you can say bye bye to some skin from your palms or have nice jigsaw puzzle knuckle bones set!

PPS: No one is pressurizing anyone about getting gears, what we are saying is "If you want to ride with us, you have to be fully geared"

[niranjanvaidya]

@All: this is in response to the posts after my post.

Fact 1: Safety Gear IS MANDATORY at Pune xBhp.
Fact 2: Currently, we emphasize on having a complete quality gear. This is not for us but for the safety of those who wear it.
Fact 3: As Devil and ROCKRZ mentioned, a few who may not be able to buy one immediately, we have specified that a minimum protection comprising of Helmet, Knee and Elbow guards, Gloves, Thick Jacket, Jeans and proper footwear is mandatory. I believe these items are obtainable a a very cheap price. However, check the calculation below

Rs. 1400.00 -- Vega Helmet (Decent Quality)
Rs. 1500.00 -- Knee & Elbow Guards (Mostly probiker)
Rs. 800.00 -- Gloves (DSG Mesh)
Rs. 300.00 -- Army Boots (Ankle Length Boots)
-----------------
Rs. 3900.00 -- Total Expense

A thick jacket and jeans are available with most and that is not an expense.

Now, is the safety at that cost that expensive?

+1
PPS: No one is pressurizing anyone about getting gears, what we are saying is "If you want to ride with us, you have to be fully geared"

Right!

[satyenpoojary]

^ Saad, its these kinda riders/people who crash and the word is spread on xBhp that he belonged to Mumbai/Pune xBhp..then the liability comes over to the persons co-ordinating for the meet. They are put at fault why wasnt it checked whether they were geared or not..

NO!

The reason for us to drive this ahead and the point is not about the quality of gears (Oh dont get me even started with this or I will be quick to come up with a Leather vs Mesh jacket analogy soon)

[ROCKRZ]

PPS: No one is pressurizing anyone about getting gears, what we are saying is "If you want to ride with us, you have to be fully geared"


dude, it is nothing less than a pressure to dream a ride with like minded persons but still unable to ride cos u dont have the gear.. atleast its a hell of a pressure for me..

I was very eager to ride to the lonavala meet the last sunday but i was not able to cos i did not have the gear .. I did not turn up at pradhikaran cos I did not want to be labeled as irresponsible..

and plus, after meeting u ppl I realised that there are lotsa ppl who really think of safety first..
I have been with my frnds to many places but i now realise how irresponsible we were..
I realised this inclination for safety cos of u ppl and to be very frank, i wont be going for any long rides unless i have the gear....

but this has happened not because someone said me to have the gears but cos i realised my mistake...

but if someone else is not realising this, i make it a point to drive some sense in him but not force him to comply with the NO RIDING WITHOUT GEAR unless thats the last option.

I am not saying that remove the rule of RIDING WITH GEARS ONLY. rather allow a month for a new rider and then ask him to either get the gears or leave..
what we are doing here is showing the stick that its a ride with gear or u ride alone thats simply gonna create resentment among the new riders and they may turn to other (iresponsible) communities, so we wont be helping our cause.....

[rohitlc]

^ Saad, its these kinda riders/people who crash and the word is spread on xBhp that he belonged to Mumbai/Pune xBhp

not good... i dont own a jacket.. yet i have not crashed and have seen many ppl with full gear crashing so ur above mentioned logic doesn't apply... crashing or not does not depend on ur gear being safe or not does depend...

[inder.cool]

NO!

not good... i dont own a jacket.. yet i have not crashed and have seen many ppl with full gear crashing so ur above mentioned logic doesn't apply... crashing or not does not depend on ur gear being safe or not does depend...

I fail to understand why dont you guys read the WHOLE thing..!! After my statement(underlined by u guys) ... i wrote that the "DUE TO WHICH NAME OF PUNE/MUMBAI CO-ORDINATORS XBHP GOES DOWN"..!! And its not theoretical..it has really happened here..ask NV if you guys any confusions on this..

[rishabhshukla14]

not good... i dont own a jacket.. yet i have not crashed and have seen many ppl with full gear crashing so ur above mentioned logic doesn't apply... crashing or not does not depend on ur gear being safe or not does depend...

ARE YOU TALKING BOUT ME????

As all know i had two crashes in a single day first one was light second was Deep SH*T but i still feel I am still alive coz of the gear I was wearing...

Phewwwwww thank god i posted after least once in this wild discussion...

And ya i went back that day when sagar, NV and ritwik sent me back(Cruel people) and i was too very happy to see that the group i was joining is so concerned at safety point of view...

On the other hand i was happy coz I saw Ducati and CB1000 and NV's new shoes and best part was to go home and complete my sleep since I haven’t slept that night and dream about all three

[satyenpoojary]

Inder I read the entire thing, the problem is not the post, but the underlined line.
Stop generalizing as the ones who dont wear gear crashes more! Else I will push you off lavasa next time when I see you geared!

[razorBlades]

would anyone one be interested riding to malshej this sat?

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/xbhp-offline-meets-g2gs/4852-official-mumbai-offline-meet-g2g-thread-938.html#post428155

[rohitlc]

ARE YOU TALKING BOUT ME????

nop man i was saying that in general terms...]
@ inder : if moderator/ ride coordinator is blamed for allowing a guy without gear and ppr then i think they deserve to be blamed for that instance... they r appointed moderators so its their job to ban . not allow any such care less rider.. by doing so they r portraying themselves as ingnorant careless...

* i think we should stop this discussion here... inder and all plz be present for next meet we will discuss it there...

we donate money for other causes lets contribute and buy 3 sets of knee and elbow guards.. any newbee not having gear will be given these gear once a week for two weeks during that he is supposed to buy his gear if he fails he is banned till he purchases the gear.. i think once he rides with us with that gear he will go to the shop and buy him his gear the next day..
* anybdy having spare knee elbow guard and willing to sell??

[niranjanvaidya]

Guys...Chill...
No one is blaming anyone or pointing fingers. What started out as something that needed approval from everyone, ended up as a big discussion point.

Over the many years that we have known each other, we have been haunted by incidents that made us sit up and take notice. Every such incident later, our resolution of being extremely safe and being hailed as the safest riding group ever, gained momentum.

Needless to say, there are people from all walks of life in this group; from students to professionals, from young blood to matured wine, from fresh bikers to seasoned riders, everyone. In all this, we laid down some very basic specifications on how to be safe and ensure that others around you are safe too. The start for this was to ensure that we,ourselves took proper care to ensure that we left no stone unturned with regards to safety. This is where the mandate of a riding gear came into existence.

Although we still wonder about the quality aspect of our gear and try to obtain the best possible, it may not always be possible due to various constraints. In such cases, a minimum mandate has been put up during the various G2Gs and posts on the forum.

To be very honest, me, Sagar, Rohan and Vishwas were even toying with the idea of keeping some spare guards (elbow and knee) and some gloves to help out those enthusiasts who would like to join us, but may not have the gear at that moment. All this with the help of a small contribution by the existing members.

While some may argue that its their life and they may want to ride the way they wish, I have only one reply.."Please ride alone".

[ROCKRZ]

HEY GUYS.. HOW IS A GEAR BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A CRASH????

MAYBEE THE PERSON WORE THE GEAR AT THE WRONG PLACE??? OR MIGHT BE HE WAS USING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND HE HAD A HARD DAY????

TOO BAD FOR HIM....

[darkknight]

i second NV on that.whenever possible have lent my extra stuff to anyone who is going for a ride even though when I wasn't part of it.

instead of venting out on the forum lets just sit together for an hour & discuss this saturday

we can than further update the safety thread which is already in place for such discussions