The Official Pune Offline Meet(G2G) Thread

[rohitlc]

@ TRM (test-ride-man)- where is the thread on bike testing?? we are waiting for it...

dont start it allover again plz.

[vrathor]

hmmm, finally we are talking. Though i wont be able to be active here in near future (2-3 months time), but looking forward to gain as much as possible via reading. Believe me, it's really painful & frustrating to turn pages after pages looking for the gems of vital info, but instead reading the one-liners (most of which doesn't make much sense if u read them later).

@tenhut, enlightening write-up on "high-speeds". Keep it up, bro !
@alibaba, I share same feeling like yours about G2Gs.

[niranjanvaidya]

Vishwas unplugged, straight from the heart...and that what I like about you!!! Straight to the point.

To all Pune Members, its high time that we started concentrating on bringing quality and focus in our biking rather than just plan meets. There are two aspects to any offline meet; Biking and Socializing. Though the second aspect is important, the first one is our primary purpose.

Would appreciate it if someone from the new joinees could initiate this change. It would be more heartening to see that!

[shrinathrao]

Vishwas unplugged, straight from the heart...and that what I like about you!!! Straight to the point.

To all Pune Members, its high time that we started concentrating on bringing quality and focus in our biking rather than just plan meets. There are two aspects to any offline meet; Biking and Socializing. Though the second aspect is important, the first one is our primary purpose.

Would appreciate it if someone from the new joinees could initiate this change. It would be more heartening to see that!

NV frankly as per what you and vishwas wrote is certainly true, but to be frank i have seen many senior and old members who make their own groups even in roopali once the snacks are over and stay out of others so finally the end result is like all the members are divided in 4 or more groups and many times i myself have felt like a outsider and when you go and ask them what was the discussion about its like you are been told some vague reason.

The only people who i seen interacting totally in the group with everyone is you, vishwas, tenhut, rishabh and satyen.

Rest all are in different world.

Frankly i would suggest to delete all those posts including mine also which are out of topic or involved with leg pulling or just done for time pass or increasing post counts.

[darkknight]

first clamp a breather pipe on to rockrz --

ok on a serious note (sorry to barge in ) -- a group above 5 usually gets divided into factions with people discussing random stuff

an only option is "classroom" enactment

a person (nv on engine -- TH on CSS etc) would begin a session of 20 mins say followed by Q&A which will result in a more disciplined course of action

for this both the venue & the time needs to be suitable

just my take

[surojit]

first clamp a breather pipe on to rockrz --

ok on a serious note (sorry to barge in ) -- a group above 5 usually gets divided into factions with people discussing random stuff

an only option is "classroom" enactment

Very true bro.. you cant expect 20 people to discuss the same thing at the same time..... the only approach to keep the group think on the same lines is let one speak and others listen.

[roger.kekhlekar]

I've observed that many of us haven't read or even know about the existence of one of the best books in biking called "Sport Riding Techniques".

Here is a link for those of you who don't have a copy: Sport.Riding.Techniques.pdf.

Enjoy !!!

[rohitlc]

I've observed that many of us haven't read or even know about the existence of one of the best books in biking called "Sport Riding Techniques".

Here is a link for those of you who don't have a copy: Sport.Riding.Techniques.pdf.

Enjoy !!!

its a very useful book i guess all the old members have it.. new ppl plz read it.. have u got it from nakul?

[roger.kekhlekar]

its a very useful book i guess all the old members have it.. new ppl plz read it.. have u got it from nakul?

nah ... got it if off the net sometime back ...

[Sharan_R]

I've "Finally" Started Reading it.

[ROCKRZ]

@all who felt alienated in g2gs, and people making groups.

It has been a journey of just a 4-5 months with the members here so I am in any sense a very junior person here both in terms of riding experience and the general judgment of a person. In the first g2g of mine, even I felt a bit uneasy but not alienated. Please understand that getting into an already established group is not easy. People with like minds will always group and if this is stopped, then it becomes more of suffocation rather than a discipline. By imposing rules, you will be making this g2g affair as a dictatorship rather than a discussion.

Bikers , like you people, are very independent people coming from different cultures, different upbringing, different preferances. And when you meet people with the same frequency of thinking as yours, its obvious that you always tend to have the inclination to that group. Initally it begins with an inclination then it slowly becomes friendship where people understand each other and hence most of the times, its not even necessary to say �buddy are you coming for a ride?� it rather becomes �chal bho$@*!ke, kal morning taiyar rehna. ride pe jana hai. And most of the times they unknowingly tend to ignore the newcomers since even they feel that �banda naya hai, kuch time baad sab apne aap normal ho jayega�. And the newcomers crib, �sab apna timepass kar rahe hai, kitna bore hota hai�

Its not that only the newcomers/ senior members are at fault . both are at fault. And the reason is that no one is ready to break this dead lock. No one wants to say what he wants! How many of you have actually questioned as to why only Rohit is burdened with the task of organizing the g2g? Why not the new members? Why don�t we have an �only new member�s induction ride�? Why is it that whenever an informative g2g is always postponed due to some reason or other?

The reason why most of us are here is not because we got bored of orkut / facebook/ twitter / �whatever else�. Its because we have the exclusivity of having the most number of like minded bikers. Otherwise who can explain that why ;
1)One of the highest attendances of members was in g2gs which were meant for informative purpose. The first time was at baner and second was at motocafe.
2)The newbee induction / birthday g2g at bhandardara had one of the highest turnovers of members and many new members.

If you are getting the whole essay here, what I am saying is �let the grouping and individual sub groups remain cos we are not a group of dictators, let it remain a democracy where we discuss what we want�. Cracking jokes is just a part of the discussion. Newbies will have a bit of uneasiness since they are new to the group but trust me, 3-4 g2gs and everything will be fine.

Now about the part of getting this thread renamed as a joke thread.

What I mean to say in the forth coming paras here is very clear, It�s not that we are here to fool around and crack disgusting jokes; we are here because we love it. Ask yourself this question �will you like this thread if all that was written here was a piston going up and down a million times�? I mean that�s the basics of motoring! Still no one will be fascinated if there are a million posts with �piston went up� and then another million with �piston went down�. The humor in the thread is what keeps the thread alive and us glued here. If you do disagree, I sincerely ask you to again ask yourself that when was the last time that you laughed at a joke? I bet that it wont be more than a couple of hours ago. And plus will you like your bike if it was a perfect thing with no quirks at all? No dear, you would not because, the very next day, you would get bored with the sanity of the bike. biking is just a part of the personality that you have. The day you stop improving, you are actually degrading yourself.

Now some examples regarding this.

Sagar has been racing ever since I have known xbhp( for the last couple of months). He is still improving on what he is doing and this spirit is what makes him better than most of us in racing

Surojit and sie gang loved what they did and before this, they had been doing many rides with increasing distances, endurance, and patience. And that is the reason they are better than most of us in the respects of touring.

Viswas loved going to leh and look at the thread of his ride log. What a log! It�s the best leh log that I have come across. And all this is because he did what he loved and was improving since his first ride in 1980�s.

Biru and tenhut are also improving in touring and improving the control on bike respectively.

The point is you start degrading your skills if you are not improving.

Now a question for all of you again. Could you have done this without boring out someone without telling what you wanted? Be it your friends, or brother / sister / mom or wife? Someone supported you and hence you did what you are an example for now. But what we are saying here is �discussion on only one topic which the whole group decides �the problem is that a group�s decision is rarely the decision of any individual. Its always an compromise. And to be very frank, I wanted no compromise, hence I came here.
To be continued

[ROCKRZ]

I guess everyone has heard of the fact of setting examples before others. Can everyone please jump to about 100-150 pages before this one and see what the new members took the example from? As far as I know, we human beings take the set examples very seriously if they want to be taken seriously. Its as simple as �garbage in garbage out�. What most people are seeing here, the seeds were already sown a long time ago. Its just now that many are realizing that what earlier seemed golden in colour was actually shit. And now when the shit is already passed, hue and cry is being made to rectify it up fast and clean.
Its not that only shit was sown, the beautiful rides that many tourers are doing is also because someone inspired them to do this.


The late cartoonist, Charles Schultz, suggested the following exercise to help identify those people who have made a difference in your life:
" List a few teachers who aided your journey through school;
" Name three friends who have helped you through a difficult time;
" Name five people who have taught you something worthwhile;
" Think of a few people who have made you feel appreciated and special;
" Think of five people you enjoy spending time with; and
" Name half a dozen historical figures whose stories have inspired you.

When you finish this exercise, you will no doubt conclude-as did Schultz-that the people who truly make a difference in one's life are not the ones with the most credentials, the most money, or the most awards. They are the ones who have simply shouted at you for your stupidities. They are the ones who have never always flattered you. They are the ones who have shown that they care about you.


Leadership is about setting the right example and making a difference in people's lives. You do not have to do great things to make a difference. The small choices and decisions we make one hundred times a day add up to determining the kind of family, workplace and community we live in. The examples of good and bad leadership are important learning lessons for all of us. Their lessons, at the very least, should make every leader pause, reflect, and ask: "What message am I sending? What environment am I creating? What example am I setting?"

I hope everyone gets the point and please delete this post if anyone feels I was taking this personally rather than in the interest of the community

[TenHut]

If you discuss this thing to death again I foresee another impending lock. Just get on with the riding plans already !

[s_and_m]

Vishwas is correct

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Vishwas, you are 100% correct. but as pointed out by ppl, the practicality of the proposed solution needs to be looked at. If you think about it, you would absolutely have to have a classroom like environment to execute a singular discussion and prevent gossiping / leg pulling / the kind of masti u have with ur group of friends where biking isnt the common factor.

Why are ppl spending time doing non-value-add activities at these meets? it is because some of them are also close friends now, rather than just fellow bikers - which is the point where the interaction began.

I agree that the purpose of the meets is to discuss the various aspects of biking and when I heard that we are going to have NV and other seniors give presentations about it all, I was overjoyed. But what happens in a classroom where the teacher is missing? Complete chaos.

I repeat, you are 100% correct and the G2G at Rollhouse in Baner was a start. That was supposed to be the 1st technical session after the re-into session. Unfortunately, the whole program started late and ppl had to leave just after the re-intro session. And things have been pretty much back to the usual after that. But thats ok.. Edison did not create the bulb in 1 attempt and we did not win our Independence in 1 day. We fell and now we must pick ourselves up again.

Rohitlc has taken a step towards this by picking a different venue, BUT I am really skeptical about how long the trend will last, if it gets off the ground at all. And the reason is the absence of a 'teacher' in the 'classroom', and the inability of people to accept a 'teacher' which is being forced on them.
Wait wait.. I'm not saying people dont need to keep improving, but they need to do that themselves. I'm sure that if the nuances of bikes and riding techniques was a course in our school (when we were tiny) syllabus, we would be as fond of it now as we are of pure mathematics.

Hats off to the guy who went up to NV to ask how the engine works. THAT has to be the spirit. Unfortunately, that cannot be forced on anyone.

Summary:
1) Agreed with vishwas but execution seems a bit difficult.
2) Reason for the chaos: Authority cannot be forced. It has to be accepted on its own. And close friends indulge in bakar.

Proposed solutions:
1) Meets be held in places where the ambiance of the meeting lets it be treated with the seriousness of a classroom / group therapy session (Hi, my nick is s_and_m and I am a biker... lol ).. No seriously.. I was really looking forward to the tech sessions

PS: I'd like to get that ppt about the working of an engine.. I didnt even know such a g2g happened

PPS: @TenHut: sorry.. i keep lifting ur posting formats with utter shamelessness but i do it coz i think it is effective.

PPPS: MG.. please dont lock the thread again (or atleast give it some time to improve from this), we promise to resolve this issue Offline.

[trustvishwas]

Have you seen that all senior / serious riders are staying away from this thread? Have you observed that all those serious riders form another group for discussions even when they attend a G2G? How many of the regular posters ride regularly?

Now is the time to get serious about biking.

@ rockrz & S and M -

Please understand what I am saying in the highlited line. I myself enjoy a lot of bakar and leg pulling but when we get together as a group, there needs to be at least some meaningful discussion about biking. Rest all the time can be spent on time pass.

@ Rockrz - the outburst was not at all aimed solely at you. It was aimed at all including myself for being idiot.

@ S and M - No one is forcing authority on anyone. Issue on hand is we are all interested in biking and when we fail to talk about biking. This is not a school and there is no headmaster. I just mean to say that if we don't try and improve ourselves as riders, why are we meeting?

When I come to G2G, I come with a view of learning something new and if that is not happening, I have lots other friends not interested in biking. I might as well meet up with them.

Like I said earlier, only serious discussion is not what I wish for. AT LEAST SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSION is what I need.