rennycornelius

Gr8.....

in RTR the vibration party starts after 5500RPM....

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leighton

I dont think the 180FI if any will happen such a "Near" future. If you ask me there is something wrong with the strategy for FI bikes in india. IMHO the 220Fi and the R15 were the only indian bikes to be built ground up for FI. TVS have just replaced the carb with an FI unit. Before i purchased the Rtr180 i was considering the RTR 160 FI but when i heard news about the 180 being carb and that it told me a lot about the FI strategy of TVS. I dropped plans of th Fi and decided it would be the RTR 160 (carb/refresh) or the new RTR180. According to me , with such a strategy there is no saying when they would discontinue FI. I wonder if others share a similar opinion about FI with respect to manufacturers like TVS, Honda and Hero Honda?

julianpaul

Hey Martin, welcome to xbhp! Our overseas owner/member list is steadily increasing and we're pretty proud of the fact that our little rtr is all over the world now! do post more of your ownership experience and local riding lifestyle.

i've given this a bit of thought too. while the 220 was designed to have the fi, it too was basically a 'tweaked' member of the pulsar family following the natural evolutionary path. where both tvs and bajaj have differed from yamaha is that the r15 had a solid, tested fi system straight from japan, which while still not a perfect fi (open-loop system), it's still pretty advanced with 6-hole injectors. Main thing is it's implemented and tested well and it WORKS WELL.
Tvs and bajaj have also used a delphi system but after months and years of testing they still haven't been able to iron out all the kinks. Well bajaj kinda did, but they took almost 6 months to a year, and some rtr fis still seem to be having problems. there's talk of a new injector doing the rounds, which seems to solve most problems, but i'm guessing the issue is less a fault of the injector and more of a properly implemented system.
Another gripe i have with tvs is if they've figured out that their old injector was faulty or inadequate, why not call all fi owners in for a recall. sure it would cost them more (but they already made a profit when selling the bike, remember), but would generate massive goodwill and faith in them as a responsible company.
Bottom line is both these companies, one a top player in the indian market, and the other having a reputation for engineering skill, have had a pretty rough time getting their new-fangled technology out to the masses and it looks pretty bad when their latest offerings have omitted the said new-fangled tech. The japs would probably be smiling all the way to the bank if more people were to buy the r15 rather than the fz!

p.s. i haven't mentioned HH's fi implementation because they haven't either! (you know what i mean)

rennycornelius

i think what TVS is doin is it's changing the injector of evry FI if the owner tells them to clean it even.....
tht's what i told them and i got mine changed...
yesterday whn i went thr to enqire about the rear mudguard of 180 thr was this one guy i asked hwsits goin he told me they changed the injector...i asked what was the prob??? he told he told them to clean it..i checked his bike thr was the same silver one which i got now....

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M.R.B

Can some tell me What is the electrical system in RTR 180 (AC / DC ) and what is the alternator wattage (Should be there in the Owners Manual)?

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Grafix

AC electrical , Donno abt the wattage

arunmur

I wouldn't say so. I saw another variant of RTR in Testing last week near TVS factory. And yeah it was red in color.

Sorry didnt peak closer as i had a bad headache.

@Julian: FI is kind of new to our manufacturers though they are made by Delphi. Its going to take our manufacturers atleast 2-3 iterations of bikes to get the FI system right, if they try. After all Bajaj scooter still needs a tilt to start, it was one heck of a design problem never corrected. The complexity more or less lies in the entire setup of design, build and maintain rather than just design. This compared to the bigger guys in the market like Yamaha and Honda who have FI systems on much smaller vehicles are much more successful in Implementing it right. About replacing the Injectors, they could have handled it better. Everything guaranteed that the upcoming FI bikes will be more perfect and easier to design.

RedApple

what were u doing near the TVS factory? . If i were to get an Fi bike, i would go with Honda, simple as that. U know it will just work, no matter what. This is why i think the ZMR/ZMA/R--whatever lol, will be a hit; because of the PGM-Fi system.

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arunmur

We own a house in Hosur so i drive down there every once in a while and that route passes through the TVS factory in hosur.

About the Fi bikes Right now, yeah. But wait for some time when our manufacturers come with FI bikes. They would be much more fiiting into the market requirements than Honda can ever dream fitting their PGMFI system for small scooters.

If you want to know PGMFI on our HH and Honda bikes is a far simpler system as compared to both RTR-FI and the DTS-Fi engines. It just manages to replace the carb in a very costly way. The RTR-Fi and DTS-Fi implements a full blown FI system with most of the sensors minus the perfection of the PGMFi. Like i said its just a matter of time that we start seeing the advantages of the FI on Indian bikes.

Also FI will become more or less a standard by 2012 when our norms get stricter, petrol becomes pricier and running the engine any more leaner will make you feel like you are driving a moped. This applies especially to 100-125 cc bikes

pravu

yes honda's pgmfi will be as good as the fi system of yamaha.btw honda brought the first fi experienece to India with glamour.