Hey its 1-1.10, so we're not sure about the exact pricing.. 10k (assuming) extra for only tires is not justifiable, esp. since they're not additional but they would be replaced..

Let's wait for another few weeks and everything will be clear.. as of now we're just going by words, nothing solid (proof)...

If the on road price is any higher than 95k then I'm going to have second thoughts about this bike. It's supposed to a bike which the common mass can afford, and if it goes over a lakh it's going to fall into the category of the R15 and the duke, which they obviously would not want, and I don't think they would do either. I am expecting an on road price of somewhere around 90-95 thousand.

Looking at all the cost cutting they have done w.r.t. Duke, this should be priced closer to 80k rather than 100k. But since BAL is the master of Margins (not overpricing), I feel this will come at bang 90k OTR if not lower. 5k more for the Faired variant, and we have 2 winners.

@Payeng Also I feel PSD will be too expensive to be a stock tire on this, so they will probably stick with the MRFs (@Sayank10) which should be available by the time this bike hits the showrooms in April. No way they will be launching this with tires inadequate for the improved power and handling. I mean look at the Duke for instance, that one has tires which would be (almost) at home even on a Ninja 650R.

Well in India the "aam janata" is ready to pay a premium of Rs. 15K-20K for the full fairing.

For eg: the ZMA and the ZMR, of the course the manufacturer would also put in extra goodies to justify the cost but the customer would actaully be paying the premium majorly for the "full fairing"


The Pirelli Sport Demon was actually a suggestion from my side as a retrofitment for those who look for some really good qualiy rubber, of course we can't expect it to come as an OEM.. after all even the KTM 200 Duke doesn't get Pirelli as OEM.

@payeng, antz.bin, horror,

I dont think by anyway that this bike could be priced as low as 80k ex-showroom. The bike comes with 130 Rear tyre, High-tech expensive 4-valve engine for which alot of R&D effort was involved, 3spark plugs technology (as well as cost of 3 plugs ), Liquid cooling is expensive, Nice sporty-street styling, a big 200cc engine, Nice digital meter, nice split seats, oozing quality from the body parts to everything, Dual Brembo Disc brakes (which are the most expensive brake making company), sportiest alloy wheels on any bike in the market, gas charged monoshocks, n expensive twin-spar frame.... all these things make the cost price of the bike really high. And so much R&D, salaries of ppl was involved in creating and testing such bike. They had to recover them.
88-90k ex-showroom price is quite justified for such a product. It is much superior to P220 S. And the D200 which comes with similar engine (with +FI & -3 sparkplugs) is priced at ~1.25L ex-showroom (1.17L is going to increase very soon). To be honest I do not like the Dukes design much. P200NS looks better to me. And believe me if this bike had "wings" it would cross 1.15L ex-showroom.
Duke is not cheap. with road tax it would come at around 1.4L OTR Bangalore. R15 also comes almost 1.24L OTR Bangalore. So if P200NS base version comes at 1.05L OTR Bangalore its reasonably priced. Its not for the masses. If anyone wants cheaper they can get the yet to be launched 150cc Next-Gen Pulsar. Also not to forget R15 & P200NS are different kinds of bikes with their own adv/disadv. R15 comes with fairing. P200NS is much faster than R15 and has a big engine 200cc.

@Enthusiastic, I am quoting my analysis from the launch thread. I would love to see what are your views on the following. It was written in a different context, but the post is quite relevant here too.

Comments welcome.

First of all Im glad that you asked my opinion. Though Im new in X-Bhp, Iv been following some "popular" users of which you are certainly one. Your comments are well researched & Im mighty impressed by that. If theres a poll for moderator no doubt Illl find you most suitable by wat I read all the things. That was a genuine buttering

I did not get why this point came in here for P200NS pricing. And I am not sure why 220 DTSFi was stopped. I'd driven that n its one of the best machines Iv ever driven in my life. If you can just remind me why they stopped 220 DTSFi. Some ppl say that its not stopped but is made on demand. Not sure about. it. Cat con is lil expensive AFAIK.

I would say that D200 has oversized tyre and I suppose that could also be a solid reason in its lower FE compared to P200NS apart from some tech differences.

Now coming to the main point. Im estimating the prices since Iv no idea of exact prices by any means.
I dont think they are saving 15k for Fi over carb. 12k would do it. AFAIR isn't the difference between RTR 160 & RTR 160 Fi just 6-7K? isn't the super overpriced version of Stunner Fi 10k more expensive than the carb? I don't knw why it was 15k previously in case of DTSFi but it should be around 12k. yes they are saving good in SOHC and using heavier parts(& not aluminium) for the swing arm and some body parts which are cheaper. I dont think they must be saving much in the thinner forks.
Do remember they are paying more for 2extra spark plugs ~500rs more
They are also saving in front Disc brakes. For Duke its 2-pot 300mm caliber compared to single pot floating 280mm Dic for NS.

But in total the savings would never be 50K. It should be in the tune of 35-36K from my approximations I have listed. In reality we can just make approximations but it is very difficult to ascertain the differences.

220 fi monthly sales figure were very less as it was pricey,moreover initial batch had few fi niggles,so bajaj eliminated fi,plonked in carb,reduced otr,increased power and fuel-efficiency.
fi is not made on demand.
ceramic structure coated with platinum,paladium,rhodium catalyst makes cat con expensive

tyres are not oversized,manufacturers provide tyre profile according to bike's dynamics.
check out duke ownership thread,fe is not concearn anymore,period.
1 additional spark plug bro.

@Antz: Though you have not mentioned my name but let me still write a few lines.

Ok, let me think out loud.
So, the 220Fi had a better combustion efficiency than the 220 Carb. The reason why Fi had a better FE (in real world) than Carb as well. Right?

Exactly a discussion I had off forums with a friend.
As 200NS hasn't been launched yet, can't say anything related to it but with 220 Carb quicker and faster & cheaper & may be more FE than ZMA (don't know about ZMR) and R15. For me, the refinement, lesser vibs, better suspension are reason to opt for ZMA/R15 over 220 Carb. Though there are many other +ve's in favor of 220 (other than the ones I listed above).
Just saying, that neither 220 Carb nor ZMA/R15 are perfect. So, for a prospective buyer, which ever bike ticks more boxes as per his requirements. He will buy that one.
So lets see how the 200NS turn out to be and see what all +ve's and -ve's the bike has.


P220 carb had better FE than P220 FI?
I have never ridden the FI version but @Niks_devil here has owned one and I think he rarely got FE under 38(Nikhil?). Having ridden a P220 Carb for more than 2,000km's on highways & state highways, I rarely got over 35km/lt.

carb 220 gives in between 36 to 40 kmpl usually,i guess antz.bin has touched 50 mark too.

36-40, over how many km's of what kind of speed & terrain's riding you got those FE numbers? Asking, as my best seems to be your worse FE. :|

@Antz: 50km/lt. Did you switched off the engine and pushed it with your leg?

Absolutely right! The FE of the DTS-Fi is better, in the real world, than the DTSi. I had my concerns about this in 2009 before I booked my bike as detailed in this post(that time both bikes were available). But NV told me to save the 15k bucks and get the newer version. How could a noob like me refute NV's advice ?


I agree all bikes have their merits and demerits. Also, I haven't got a chance to ride the P200NS as yet. But looking purely at the specs on paper, if 2 bikes are selling for the same price, one making 14Ps and the other making 23.5Ps, I will pick the one making 23.5 eyes closed. This is what I meant by that statement. And this is not something hypothetical. At the time of P220 DTSi launch, the Fazer was selling for about the same price (ZMA was for 900 bucks less). Everyone knows what bike I own now. Of course, the decision was not based on ONLY paper specs, but that was the general guideline behind the Fazer missing out.


P220 Carb had better FE than the P220 Fi *theoretically*. In the real world, if I ride grandpa style, I can eke out better FE than a P220 Fi being ridden the same way. My top score till date has been 58kmpl. But since we never usually ride like that, P220 Fi will always return better FE no.s than the carb. Another thing being, the P220 carb's FE is tremendously dependent on getting the optimum AFR. Even if I ride from NH17 to NH4 (= slight change in altitude), the mixture richens and the FE(and even the top end response) drops. If I keep it tuned optimally (= not lean), I am able to get 40ish kmpl at a constant speed of 105 and still hit 150 on the speedo(on a stock bike).

A bit OT:
What all size jets do you have and from where you got hold of them? Any luck (for me), if I can get hold of some jets for myself?
Thanks.

Stock = totally stock. The only change being the rear tire with 7% more circumference. No aftermarket jets. Just the AFR screw adjustment. I never went to Ladakh. Never needed smaller jets or other such jugaads.

not mine,fe figure posted based on 220 owner's feedback on a poll.