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  • #91
    Originally posted by haxor View Post
    indian army has the 2nd largest lineup of soldiers after china.
    and yeah indian army needs to update its weaponry....rather than playing with puny SLR and thsoe one shit rifle used by police
    and the SLR which is used by the army does jamm sometime but on the other side see the terrorist get ak-47 ak-56 made in romania and bulgaria and doesnt even jammed even if the gun catches fire .....and yeah indian govt need to put more money into DRDO rather than buying lousy item from other countries like US israel uk ....
    india produces a hell lott of nerdy student who can even make n-bombs sitting out here but the lousy americans hire tem at no cost and serve thema and then they sell us the products made by them
    one of my friednd is their with her father who is a engineer who designs nuclear plants but these lousy americans hired them and they are in us
    there are many such cases like this and hence reduces the no of extremely skilled workers in our country...
    and why does our govt does give license to private comapnies to make new weapons ..there are numerous comapanies in us making weapons....like the famous desert eagle made by isreal miliraty agency
    smith and wesson another famous comapny of amerca.
    colt weapons systems
    many comapnies are there
    and se in india
    only
    DRDO can do nothing........
    I will not try to correct you here but you are wrong at many places.
    Try increasing your knowledge on NSG and MARCOS.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by torque_ankur View Post
      hey today I got a mail about section 49-0, I feel this can be a very good weapon

      ---->
      Did you know that there is a system in our constitution, as per the
      1969 act, in section ' 49-O ' that a person can go to the polling
      booth,
      confirm his identity, get his finger marked, and convey the presiding
      election officer that he / she doesn't want to vote anyone !
      Yes, such a feature is available, but obviously these seemingly
      notorious leaders have never disclosed it. This is called ' 49-O '..
      Why should you go and say 'I VOTE NOBODY ' ? ... Because, in a ward, if
      a candidate wins, say by 123 votes, and that particular ward has
      received ' 49-O' votes more than 123 , then that polling will be
      cancelled
      and will have to be re-polled.


      Great info. I had seen that in CJ on CNN IBN. Infact when JDS caused that teeny lil traffic jam in Bangalore i thought ill go put in a '49-O' vote in the next elections


      A lot of people are doubting the NSG because they are taking a lot of time in securing the three hotspots of the attacks. I saw a telephone interview with the former DG of NSG and he mentioned that the biggest priority and responsibility of the NSG is NOT to kill the terrorists but to ensure the safety of the hostages and rescue them. Hostages are the priority. Thats why they can't go all guns blazing and annihilate everyone in the room. Mind you they have got the arms, equipment to do it.

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      • #93
        It was on NDTV few minutes back where Pranab Roy showed a mass sms circulating in India stating "where is Raj thakary and his fellowers, when NSG commandos (from north, south india) fighting the terrorist in Mumbai?"

        what a blunt and true quote.
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        • #94
          @Hitanshu

          Opinions and rants are different. Even if they are the same, "blah blah blah" shouted by politicians gets a 10000+ audience, votes and then they rule the country.


          Its natural now that the politicians will politicize this issue. BJP will bring up the sadhvi and Congress will bring up Godhra and in the middle of all this Mumbai will seemingly "bounce back" and all will be forgotten till the next terror attack.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by pulsater View Post
            It was on NDTV few minutes back where Pranab Roy showed a mass sms circulating in India stating "where is Raj thakary and his fellowers, when NSG commandos (from north, south india) fighting the terrorist in Mumbai?"

            what a blunt and true quote.
            My friend was joking that if we can exchange Raj Thackeray for the hostages held by the terrorists we can kill two birds with one stone

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            • #96
              some say they wanted to show US that we are alive(as in those terrorists).so started at night to show them in their morning tea time.

              first time i personally saw our commandos in action on TV.some tense moments.but one thing i noticed were the helmets(covering head only) and no googles??what if the enemy takes a straight head shot at you?

              and while we all sit here write go in the kitchen and gulp down eliminating our hunger..they for now 48hrs the commandos are working in shifts thinking first about INDIA and safety and then family food etc.

              i salute their courage and working.

              this two words always goes in my mind when i see some good news.

              VANDE MATARAM. these two words will also echo in each commando in operation.

              hope it ends soon.
              there are no stupid questions.


              but there are stupid people.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by haxor View Post
                indian army has the 2nd largest lineup of soldiers after china.
                and yeah indian army needs to update its weaponry....rather than playing with puny SLR and thsoe one shit rifle used by police
                and the SLR which is used by the army does jamm sometime but on the other side see the terrorist get ak-47 ak-56 made in romania and bulgaria and doesnt even jammed even if the gun catches fire .....and yeah indian govt need to put more money into DRDO rather than buying lousy item from other countries like US israel uk ....
                india produces a hell lott of nerdy student who can even make n-bombs sitting out here but the lousy americans hire tem at no cost and serve thema and then they sell us the products made by them
                one of my friednd is their with her father who is a engineer who designs nuclear plants but these lousy americans hired them and they are in us
                there are many such cases like this and hence reduces the no of extremely skilled workers in our country...
                and why does our govt does give license to private comapnies to make new weapons ..there are numerous comapanies in us making weapons....like the famous desert eagle made by isreal miliraty agency
                smith and wesson another famous comapny of amerca.
                colt weapons systems
                many comapnies are there
                and se in india
                only
                DRDO can do nothing........

                Firstly read this...

                with regard to SLR, India uses various types of assault rifles ranging from 5.56mm to 7.62mm depending upon the situation, location and type of operation. Weapons available to the Indian Army(you will like this) Soviet made 5.56mm AK-47, Indian made 5.56mm Insas, US made M16 A2 for special forces and Israeli made 5.56mm TAR-21 for special frontier force. Apart from these, we also use dragnovs and PSG1(for NSG) as sniper rifles. The list above is clearly an impressive array of weaponary to choose from, you have the best and the most modern available in that list. I havent brought in machine guns, sub machine guns and small arms here.

                Every machine fails, we have to use machines which work at -40 deg to +55 deg, not many machines withstand these temp. TAR-21 is amazing assault rifle, it takes on heat, dust and sand effectively, Infact India is looking at 9mm version.

                We have loads of AK-47s.. infact, its licence maufactured in our ordnance factories....

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Marcus Lucius Maximus
                  This will start a major flame war over here, so please be careful about what you post.
                  We sure don't want any flames/ wars here, do we? Let's keep it plain and simple and let the sane discussion continue.

                  Posting views is ofcourse not 'flaming'. But, kindly do not go overboard with a particular topic to such an extent that it leads to forum-wars (I hope you all would understand.)
                  :)

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by shark80 View Post
                    Firstly read this...

                    with regard to SLR, India uses various types of assault rifles ranging from 5.56mm to 7.62mm depending upon the situation, location and type of operation. Weapons available to the Indian Army(you will like this) Soviet made 5.56mm AK-47, Indian made 5.56mm Insas, US made M16 A2 for special forces and Israeli made 5.56mm TAR-21 for special frontier force. Apart from these, we also use dragnovs and PSG1(for NSG) as sniper rifles. The list above is clearly an impressive array of weaponary to choose from, you have the best and the most modern available in that list. I havent brought in machine guns, sub machine guns and small arms here.

                    Every machine fails, we have to use machines which work at -40 deg to +55 deg, not many machines withstand these temp. TAR-21 is amazing assault rifle, it takes on heat, dust and sand effectively, Infact India is looking at 9mm version.

                    We have loads of AK-47s.. infact, its licence maufactured in our ordnance factories....

                    dude you also see this and compare with ours

                    Wapedia - Wiki: List of weapons of the U.S. Marine Corps
                    List of weapons of the U.S. Marine Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    and yeah there are many forces which are not even supplied with latest weaponaries and yeah NSG and MARCOS are not BSF,SSB,CRPF and local police....
                    Speak Less,Speak Wise!

                    Sarcasm is my automatic response to stupidity.

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                    • guys guys!!! we dont want a forum war here plz. I reckon ur points r true no doubt.

                      But truly, 2 days and the ordeal still continues. I cant believe 1 heavily armed terrorist in the Taj is still givin fight to the NSGs..
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                      • i have been wondering what RAJ THAKREY has done about this whole thing. i am sure he must be shiting his pants some where and guess what this time it was 200 personels from north and many from south that were sent to help... at the end of the day we are one country people need to understand the same
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                        • ^ Desideep... shucks I didnt want to comment on this

                          *Must resist*

                          Uggh**

                          He was busy 'proving' that the terrorists werent Marathi Manoos, and thats precisely why he doesnt want non marathi manoos is the small village of mumbai....

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                          • Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                            ^ Desideep... shucks I didnt want to comment on this

                            *Must resist*

                            Uggh**

                            He was busy 'proving' that the terrorists werent Marathi Manoos, and thats precisely why he doesnt want non marathi manoos is the small village of mumbai....

                            ugghhh**
                            very true Mr. Poojary
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                            • What is the latest on this? Some channels say that the operation is over, while others say fight is still on at Taj.
                              :)

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                              • My God! What revelations made by the arrested terrorist. Following is the news article from Times of India.

                                Arrested terrorist says gang hoped to get away

                                NEW DELHI: The gang of terrorists who wreaked mayhem in Mumbai for three days were made to believe by their Lashkar bosses that they were not
                                being sent on a suicide mission and that they would be coming back alive.

                                In a sensational disclosure made by Ajmal, the jihadi nabbed alive by Mumbai cops, the group had planned to sail out on Thursday. Their recruiters had even charted out the return route for them and stored it on the GPS device which they had used to navigate their way to the Mumbai shoreline.

                                This suggests that the terrorists were willing to undertake a mission which they knew would be very risky, but not necessarily suicidal.

                                Sources said that the bait of safe return must have been used by the recruiters to convince the wavering among the group to join the audacious plot against Mumbai.

                                Ajmal made another important disclosure: that all terrorists were trained in marine warfare along with the special course Daura-e-Shifa conducted by the Lashkar-e-Taiba in what at once transforms the nature of the planning from a routine terror strike and into a specialized raid by commandos.

                                Battle-hardened ATS officials are surprised by the details of the training the terrorists were put through before being despatched for the macabre mission. This was very different from a terrorist attack, and amounted to an offensive from the seam, said a source.

                                Ajmal has revealed the name of his fellow jihadis all Pakistani citizens as Abu Ali, Fahad, Omar, Shoaib, Umer, Abu Akasha, Ismail, Abdul Rahman (Bara) and Abdul Rahman (Chhota).

                                The account of Ajmal also strengthens the doubt of the complicity of powerful elements in the Pakistani establishment. According to him, the group set off on November 21 from an isolated creek near Karachi without the deadly cargo of arms and ammunition they were to use against the innocents in Mumbai. The group received arms and ammunition on board a large Pakistani vessel which picked them up the following day. The vessel, whose ownership is now the subject of an international probe, had four Pakistanis apart from the crew.

                                A day later, they came across an Indian-owned trawler, Kuber, which was promptly commandeered on the seas. Four of the fishermen who were on the trawler were killed, but its skipper, or tandel in fishermen lingo, Amarjit Singh, was forced to proceed towards India. Amarjit was killed the next day, and Ismail the terrorist who was killed at Girgaum Chowpaty took the wheel.

                                A trained sailor, Ismail used the GPS to reach Mumbai coast on November 26. The group, however, slowed down its advance as they had reached during the day time while the landing was planned after dusk. The group shifted to inflatable boats, before disembarking at Badhwar Park in Cuffe Parade.

                                From there, they mandated to kill indiscriminately, particularly white foreign tourists, and spare Muslims split up into five batches. Two of them Ismail and Ajmal took a taxi to Victoria Terminus. Three other batches of two each headed for Oberoi Hotel, Cafe Leopold and Nariman House. The remaining four went to Taj Hotel.

                                He may have been motivated enough to kill innocents indiscriminately. In police custody, Ajmal Amir Kasab, the terrorist who was caught alive by
                                the Mumbai police at Girgaum Chowpatty, has been forthcoming with details about the attack on Mumbai and his accomplices, all suspected Lashkar operatives from Pakistan.

                                Kasab, who sustained minor injuries in the police firing that killed his partner Abu Ismail (25) on Wednesday night, was produced before the Esplanade Metropolitan Magistrate on Friday. The magistrate remanded him to police custody till December 8. Incidentally, Kasab and Ismail were the two who gunned down ATS chief Hemant Karkare, additional CP Ashok Kamthe and encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar.

                                Kasab told the police that he and 9 others got off a vessel about 10 nautical miles from Mumbai and shifted to two boats hijacked from fishermen.

                                One source in ATS familiar with the details of the interrogation quoted him saying that in all 16 fidayeens came to Mumbai on Wednesday. A native of Faridkot in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), 21-year-old Kasab told police they had done a reccee of Mumbai few months ago. He said he had come along with eight of the operatives to Mumbai as students and lived in a rented room at Colaba market, a stone's throw away from Nariman House.
                                Also, here are the emergency contact numbers in Mumbai, in case anybody needs them.

                                Emergency contact numbers:
                                1. Police hotline 100
                                2. BMC Disaster Management Cell 22694725
                                3. Blood Banks 1910
                                4. Ambulance Services 1298
                                5. General Complaints 1916
                                6. Railway Any Emergency 23004000
                                7. Travel Agents Mumbai 149
                                8. Airport Police Helpline 28225709
                                9. Indian Red Cross Society for Blood bank 22663560
                                10. Missing Persons Bureau 22621547
                                11. Police Control Room Helpline 22620111, 22151855
                                12. Traffic Control Room Helpline 24937747, 24937755
                                13. Mantralaya Nariman Point Helpline 22024243
                                14. Collector of Bombay 22661231
                                15. Traffic Helpline 25181717
                                16. J J Hospital Blood Bank: Dr. Ganesh, Dr.Nair --022 23739400
                                17. Bombay Hospital: Ms Purohit -- 22067676 Extn 216
                                18. St George Hospital Direct Blood Bank: Tarun - 22620344
                                19. Taj Hotel: 022-66574322, 022-66574372, 1800 111 825
                                20. Trident Hotel: 022-23890606

                                For Blood Donors: Call 922 222 1947 and tell them you want to donate blood. They' ll get back to you when someone needs it OR Send an sms - type BLOOD and send it to 96000 97000, donor will call up for donation.
                                Last edited by Aryan; 11-29-2008, 10:39 AM.
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