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  • I had a question about pulsar getting a turbo treatment.. What about a 10-30 bhp turbo charger attached to a 220 with all joel'ed mods.. + having that much power close to double what the bike makes, what mods should go for this..

    Of course, the tires need to be upgraded to much bigger ones, the abs breaks need to be either buffed to a much or replaced with something two times the breaking power of a ninja, as well as alot of other mods, but can the engine take the load of a external turbo charger. or do someone make a smaller turbocharger around 5-15 bhp.. to give the bike a heavy boost after 4-5 k rpm..

    Just a thought since I had upgraded my car's turbo charger from stock to a 17 g death-bolt turbo i just had to get a bigger inter-cooler, as well as a cold air intake filter, air ratio filter on the turbo which either made sound when changing gears or take the air back into turbo for a heavy boost.. but other then that.. a WRX always was a inspirited engine, and as well you know, most bikes over 180 is naturally inspirited engines on bikes too. What is you guys take on this as well as i want to know what experts think if it's possible on a bike.. ???
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    • Originally posted by shadcool786 View Post
      I had a question about pulsar getting a turbo treatment.. What about a 10-30 bhp turbo charger attached to a 220 with all joel'ed mods.. + having that much power close to double what the bike makes, what mods should go for this..

      Of course, the tires need to be upgraded to much bigger ones, the abs breaks need to be either buffed to a much or replaced with something two times the breaking power of a ninja, as well as alot of other mods, but can the engine take the load of a external turbo charger. or do someone make a smaller turbocharger around 5-15 bhp.. to give the bike a heavy boost after 4-5 k rpm..

      Just a thought since I had upgraded my car's turbo charger from stock to a 17 g death-bolt turbo i just had to get a bigger inter-cooler, as well as a cold air intake filter, air ratio filter on the turbo which either made sound when changing gears or take the air back into turbo for a heavy boost.. but other then that.. a WRX always was a inspirited engine, and as well you know, most bikes over 180 is naturally inspirited engines on bikes too. What is you guys take on this as well as i want to know what experts think if it's possible on a bike.. ???
      im no expert here, but i seriously don't think our engine will be able to handle that kinda boost, the cooling setup will be needed and many other factor which i don't know how to write down. But i don't think its possible without blowing up the engine and i doubt you would ever want that.
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      • I'm not sure if i'm right but from what i have read about aftermarkket turbo on cars, i think if u want a turbo system in the pulsars the internals will hav to be forged, because the stock internals will not be able to take the load.
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        • Originally posted by joelkraju View Post
          ( That is the ex showroom price of r15 :P. It will kill r15 ,zma stock 220 with ease.
          The money spend is worth it!!With this setup i am able to keep the ninja 250r behind me till 110 kmph !!
          Bro, I was totally impressed on your works, Until I saw this, don't think its Fanboyism but on what basis do you compare your P220 with R15 and Ninja?

          I would say P220 is not a proper/sorted bike, as like the Ninja and R15.

          Going fast in a straight line is all you can do, Ninja/R15 are bikes that are designed to handle that power. Even experts like Joel tell the same, compare Apples with Apples and not lemons with Apples.
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          • Originally posted by HarishK View Post
            Bro, I was totally impressed on your works, Until I saw this, don't think its Fanboyism but on what basis do you compare your P220 with R15 and Ninja?

            I would say P220 is not a proper/sorted bike, as like the Ninja and R15.

            Going fast in a straight line is all you can do, Ninja/R15 are bikes that are designed to handle that power. Even experts like Joel tell the same, compare Apples with Apples and not lemons with Apples.
            No fanboyism or so .Wasnt at all comparing any of the bike here .Just mentioned the cost involved an all.So took an example .Ill take my words back! And,I very well know that r15 ninja an all are miles ahead of a p220!So nothing to offend anyone or so! peace
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            • Originally posted by shadcool786 View Post
              I had a question about pulsar getting a turbo treatment.. What about a 10-30 bhp turbo charger attached to a 220 with all joel'ed mods.. + having that much power close to double what the bike makes, what mods should go for this..

              Of course, the tires need to be upgraded to much bigger ones, the abs breaks need to be either buffed to a much or replaced with something two times the breaking power of a ninja, as well as alot of other mods, but can the engine take the load of a external turbo charger. or do someone make a smaller turbocharger around 5-15 bhp.. to give the bike a heavy boost after 4-5 k rpm..

              Just a thought since I had upgraded my car's turbo charger from stock to a 17 g death-bolt turbo i just had to get a bigger inter-cooler, as well as a cold air intake filter, air ratio filter on the turbo which either made sound when changing gears or take the air back into turbo for a heavy boost.. but other then that.. a WRX always was a inspirited engine, and as well you know, most bikes over 180 is naturally inspirited engines on bikes too. What is you guys take on this as well as i want to know what experts think if it's possible on a bike.. ???
              My 2 bits:

              The first production bike with a turbo was the CX500 by Honda (I think it was in the early/ mid eighties). The other 3 Oriental manufactures quickly followed these up with their own versions. However, these bikes never became popular. Right from the outset it was quickly apparent that there were a number of problems including abrupt power transition during boost on & off phases. The whole setup was quite complex even by today's standard.

              It is worth noting that other than the CX650 none of the other bikes were introduced in their second iteration. And Honda also killed the turbo initiative after the CX650.

              There is no doubt that these turbo bikes had great acceleration but with the additional baggage they inherited were just not worth the trouble

              Today, we can find turbos in extreme hot rodded engines, many of them are used in professional drag racing, but for street use, the problems that existed in the eighties still have not been resolved.
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              • Originally posted by joelkraju View Post
                No fanboyism or so .Wasnt at all comparing any of the bike here .Just mentioned the cost involved an all.So took an example .Ill take my words back! And,I very well know that r15 ninja an all are miles ahead of a p220!So nothing to offend anyone or so! peace
                Thanks,

                You seem to be enough stuffed to a start a new thread here. So go ahead with clean review in a new thread, with a few pics and vids, it should spread a good awareness
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                • Originally posted by joelkraju View Post
                  Heres my long pending Review !!!!!!

                  Anyways the list of mods that I got done on my bike from RACE CONCEPTS are as follows-
                  Stage 1 head work (Got it done after my second service .At 5340kms!! As of now done approx 10000kms plus with the head work)
                  Free flow exhaust (Got it fitted at around 8000kms!! Done 5000kms plus)
                  230cc big bore kit! (Got it done at 15000kms!!! Done 900kms with the bore kit)

                  Ill go one by one as i got the mods done.

                  Anyways first let me put down my timings in my stock 220dts-i and about myself :P
                  I am around 50kg and 5.6ft tall.

                  My bikes stock timing of 0-132 came in 22 sec(This was the only proof of my timings on my stock p220 so i compare my timings to this :P)

                  Stage 1 Head work-
                  After the head work.The bike was responding way better then stock!!The bike felt rev happy!!It used to climb rpm so freely!!
                  And the smoothness!!It dint at all feel restricted now. smoothness throughout the rev range.Their was good improvement
                  through out the rev range the bike pulled pretty good.The main improvement can be felt at between 4000-8000 rpm .Better pull at this range.
                  Talking about average!It dint drop!!It was more or less same as stock !!When riding sanely got better avg then stock!! In all was pretty
                  much happy with this setup!!

                  Did timing of 0-132 with this setup. It came in 18 sec!!! Yes 18 sec Just with the head work!!

                  Free flow exhaust -
                  Got the ffe fitted at 8000kms or so!!It was direct fit.Dint require any adjustment or so!Plug and play thing!
                  The FFE came with Decibel killer.Though i hardly used the decibel killer.Can say just used the bike with decibel on for just around 4-5kms thats it.
                  Hardly half an hour :P Its lying in my house from then!!
                  Coming to the performance part,DAMN!! the bike revved like anything now!! throughout from 1000rpm to 11000rpm it pulled like anything!!
                  The bike revved so freely now and what pull!!!Massive improvement in mid range!! 1ST,2nd gear needed fast shift The rpm was climbing that fast.
                  Could rev limit in all the gears expect for 5th gear :P That too quickly!!
                  Did timing of 0-132 with head work plus free flow exhaust.It came in around 16.23 sec :O
                  0-400m timing came in 16.10sec :O With minimum headwind and proper shifts done.Exit speed in 400m was 132-133kmph
                  HEAD WORK with Free flow exhaust is the best starter setup for modding the bike and every person who wants some better acceleration and power should go for this setup
                  The difference from stock can be easily felt!! During a recent trip of around 250kms got an avg of 35kmpl.
                  With 70% cruising at speeds between 100-110kmph!!And 20% full throttle and 10% city riding.
                  Only issue was rusting!!For that I spray painted the exhaust with bosny HI-temp spray paint!!

                  Done around 10000kms with the head work and 6000kms with the ffe and their was no or heating issues or so.Just once had to change the rocker arm as bearing had gone
                  And as you know more is never enough!

                  230cc big bore kit-
                  Recently got the big bore installed!!
                  Done a proper run in of 500kms riding it under 4500rpm!!
                  During the run in .I dint feel much of a difference or so.The bike was performing more or less like the previous setup (head work+ free flow exhaust)
                  Post 500kms of run in!! Got the oil changed.Wanted to actually see if their was any improvement as in run in i dint feel any difference or so.
                  Whack opened the throttle and WOW!!! I was amazed .The pull was so amazing.MAD PULL.Man the torque :O.Missed to shift gear from 1st to 2nd.!!so fast the rpm climbed till 11rpm :O
                  The bike is now a total TORQUE monster!!Best setup for touring.In 5th gear at speeds of 50kmph open the throttle fully and within seconds it will cross the 100 mark and climb easily till 120

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                  and all that to upright.Even with a pillion it was the same case!!With pillion and both upright 120-130 came easily.Even at high rpm the bike is so smooth!!No vibs at all can be felt.Any day better then a stock 220.I can say it is better than ktm 200 in terms of performance. .YES I HAVE TEST RIDDEN THE DUKE!!hence I am saying
                  Big bore is one thing you should sure get!!Post run in did around 300kms or so and have abused the bike like anything.Most of the time red lining!!And their was no sign of engine problem or heating issues
                  During run in period riding under 4500rpm that is 65-70kmph got an avg of 40.3kmpl!!!

                  As for the timings here you go
                  0-60 in 3 sec
                  0-100 under 8 sec
                  0-120 in 11 sec
                  0-132 came in flat 15 sec!!! :O
                  All with rider weight 50kg

                  All in all am damn impressed with this setup!!
                  I cant ask for anything more!!
                  Got the bike for 85k spend another sub 19k for performance that sums up to 105000rs ( That is the ex showroom price of r15 :P. It will kill r15 ,zma stock 220 with ease.
                  The money spend is worth it!!With this setup i am able to keep the ninja 250r behind me till 110 kmph !!
                  Ride it to believe With upright body solo riding 135kmph an all came with ease!!!
                  Now this is not the end!!! Cant wait for rest of the mods i.e HI-LIFT CAM,Bigger carb ,Valve springs,Bigger valves and 3 rd stage port.Started saving for rest of the mods
                  Sorry am not at all good at giving reviews an all.All I could provide was the timings which shows that their is sure shot improvement!

                  nicely expressed joel raju
                  good review
                  though i find it hard to believe that you are 5.6ft

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                  • Originally posted by HarishK View Post
                    Thanks,

                    You seem to be enough stuffed to a start a new thread here. So go ahead with clean review in a new thread, with a few pics and vids, it should spread a good awareness
                    Am not at all good at giving reviews an all :P So starting a thread :O :P
                    Anyways some videos of 0-100 and quarter mile run

                    Quarter mile run (400m) .In this run did quarter mile in 15.61sec

                    Race concepts pulsar 230f quarter mile - YouTube

                    0-100 Run.In this run did 0-100 in 7.35sec

                    Race concepts Pulsar 230f 0-100 in 7.35sec - YouTube

                    Note-I am just 50kg rider .Stock body.No weight reduction on the bike expect for that saree guard removed
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                    • Thanks for the review Joel.

                      As for the Turbo,
                      well there are a few things that you have to consider, unlike cars.

                      1. Turbo sizing is extremely hard, since we have puny engines.
                      2. Internals cannot handle boost, unless its built ground up. With costs a lot of money.
                      3. Complexity
                      4. Added weight which affects handling of a motorcyle
                      5. Cooling efficiency on an air cooled engine
                      6. Needs standalone ignition/fuel system which is not easy and not cheap
                      7. Poor response with a single cylinder engine
                      8. Expensive fix in case of a mild crash. Let alone, major ones
                      9. Rideability and power pulsations with boost
                      10. Will cost you more than the bike, to setup and refine the package

                      NA mods are more suited for bikes, coz they are cheaper, lighter and motorcycle engines compared to cars are low friction and have ultra light internals. They can rev higher and make more natural horses than with forced induction.
                      Cars are TC'd mainly to increase the volumetric efficiency due to their bulky internals and they cannot rev as high.
                      The cost involved does not justify the power gained. And also to the weight added to the bike.
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                      • Originally posted by joelkraju View Post
                        Heres my long pending Review !!!!!!
                        congrats on your big bore kit. its good to see 0-100 in 7.35 sec.

                        beating a stock cbr... that is cool



                        Originally posted by joelkraju View Post

                        Only issue was rusting!!For that I spray painted the exhaust with bosny HI-temp spray paint!!
                        is it a big issue. cant it be solved in any other way than painting?

                        i am having an idea of buying one...
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                        • @Joel: What upgrades will include in Stage 3 head work?
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                          • The cylinder head has a more aggressive level of tune. With radical changes.
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                            • how many days it take for shipping for FFE and if I come to bangalore for head work and big bore block how many days i have to stay back. ?

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                              • We can do everything in a single day. Pls mail me at [email protected] for prior appointment.
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