Joel chill man, i do understand how it feels when being accused directly and indirectly(good experience at that). Yes it does hurt when you work hard on something and it gets lamented, people talk oh so rubbish when they know nothing and shut up when the reality strikes. Let time speak for you and the thread starter. And people please post the good experiences too, they are needed. Its my opinion that instead of bashing and pointing, lets be honest and work for the best for everyone. NOT TAKING ANYONE'S SIDE ETC. And congrats and enjoy your married life. Please do not use sites and forums for self-interest and spreading wrong info. After reading this thread feels like marketing and trolling going around here..

Yeah, me too kind of fed up with these, but still I don't understand which bush you are trying to beat around.

I am ready, I have 10 used stock 150CC Blocks for R15 (very very old ones) can we compare them with 10 of your blocks and see the failure percentage?

(Stock forged diasil block/piston is way cheaper than the 165CC whateverdized block/piston.)

As you said its going no where and due to language issues most Indonesia tuners do not show up here. Also yes Time told me something and lets see what Time tell others.

Now you are doing an escapist act. Who knows what you may tell in PM- a fairy tale or fact. No one else could verify it. You had mentioned clearly that you can divulge everything here. You shouldn't have told it if you can't. Now you shouldn't beat around the bush asking for moderator's help. If you can divulge the details supporting your tall claims as stated, you are most welcome. Otherwise there's something fishy as a marketing gimmick for the Indonesian products.

Cool down Bro,

Take a chill pill, why are you so anxious, did I say that I sell Indonesian products or asked you to buy any via the thread? those Indonesian tuners where once the source of a few famous Tuners here and I mentioned their names just to clarify your questions and doubts...strictly non-commercial (read the thread again). Moderators notified and its a fact coz they see this very comment too, so if they approve I will go ahead.

please if you and joel have personal issues, take it somewhere else. while your experiences based on facts are more than welcome.. xbhp is not for marketing and trolling..

Yes bro, the thread was fact-full until somewhere it was mentioned, "This thread is against XXX person" and most importantly this thread is about products and not about people.

Perhaps, you have to re-evaluate your last sentence, coz I was tempted to do modds only with XBHP and the successive threads, which marketted those products.

Lets stop this talk right here and talk about facts

@Harish - Lets reinvent the wheel. Its fun. I'll start with square
I leave the rest to a debate open to all!

Signing off from this highly infectious flaming thread which was meant to celebrate your one year anniversary from your previous thread created elsewhere on this forum.

Joel

waiting for the facts from joel and you, as you have the good and bad experience..only you can shed the light and if you can please do so immediately because people can at-least decide properly where to put their money.. hell even i am waiting

Yes you did! A quote from the very first post

I do respect the effort you spent on all these, but having some valid proof will be much better, won't be? Anyways, am always against such mods, whether done locally or internationally. If I can spend some crazy amounts on such horrible mods that would treat me with some sort of problem(s) one day or the other, won't I buy a new stock bike which has higher cc/bhp etc? To my belief, people do such mods so that they have a higher cc/bhp bike disguised as a stock one and would win a drag with other stock bike and I ain't a street racer and would mind shelling money for some useless track test.

Hi Anil. I thought, I ll be a mute spectator, until now. I have a big bore 165 cc block(second bore, first one seized and replaced by Joel without much hassles), head work, high lift cam, ffe, simota air filter, clutch springs, valve springs(and stock ECU with modified CO value). In short apart from stock ECU its a fully modified setup. I have had my share of troubles and share of headaches with the modified setup. The point I want to raise is the ignorance of prospective buyers about the perils of hot roding. As a buyer you have the opinion that you plonk a bore or change the ffe and you are good to go, without any strings attached and with the same reliability. Atleast, I was of the same opinion and vouched every review(indeed every review was positive). Well I was fascinated by guys reviewing the kits the very day they plonked it and went gaga over the power bump as well as reliability. For me I took a week off and rode all the way to Bangalore from Hyderabad with the hope of getting a more powerful yet equally reliable R15. Well the honeymoon period came to an abrupt end when I found that just after 800 Kms, the piston got scored(with all due respect, I followed all the run-in guidelines and precautions). Well, all the planning and hopes went for a toss and I was left devastated. Later checked out on internet and found I was not alone. There were many such cases and the disturbing part was not a single one was documented(on xbhp). I got to know about many people reverting to stock after these seizures.
Well I contacted Joel and he gave me a replacement bore within a week and I was happy with the response. After the fix, I followed around 2600 Kms of runin with oil changes at prescribed duration. Slowly and steadily with inputs from Joel and Prateek (read Abhimanyu) I learned about the extreme precautions and other etiquette. Well with the steady engine and detailed servicing , I was hopeful of completing a Saddlesore on this setup. Confirmed with Joel and went for it. Alas, the SS attempt came to an abrupt end due to coolant temp sensor failure after initial 350 Kms of speed run. I learnt my lesson the hard way and successfully completed Saddlesore and BunBurner (http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...er-1500-a.html) on a borrowed bone stock R15 in my second attempt.
Well Joel suggested problems with my wiring harness for coolant temp sensor problem and I changed the wiring harness to be on the safer side a last month. As of now, the setup is stable and I do tours(NO ENDURANCE RIDES). The setup is maintenance heavy and requires detailed servicing and care. It is NO WAY equally reliable(atleast for me) and forgiving as the stock machine. YES it is more powerful than stock R15. The point I wanted to raise was informed decision of prospective buyer about hot roding and flip sides of getting the performance mods. I am sure the general anticipation is that just plonk the part and you ll have a mini rocket. But the dream ride comes to a crashing ride when something goes wrong.
I would like to request proper awareness for modified setups so that the prospective buyers take informed decision and don't regret later. Few points from my side, which a prospective buyer(R15 owner looking for mods) should know-
1) Big Bore installation pics or videos from Joel side(a long overdue). If installations are major problems, why can't we have proper steps to follow and do the thing right way,
2) The service duration is drastically reduced to 2.5 - 3 K kms. The servicing has to be detailed and more or less every servicing needs tappets adjustment,
3) Tappet adjustments have different values when compared to a stock R15. Also, tappets would go loose more often,
4) With Camshaft upgrade the kick start takes longer than normal as the decompression lever is done away with,
5) The modified setup is a bit vibey and engine mounting bolts frequent attention,
6) The FFE wool needs replacement every 7-9 months or becomes extremely loud(means -treble not bass)
7) The modified setup generates more heat and yes it needs frequent coolant top ups or a better grade coolant,
8) The modified setup needs a little more time at idling and it should be idled religiously before usual commute/ripping.

I am not here to make a point whether Race Concepts mods are good or bad. The only point I want to put is about taking an informed decision. The happy go lucky nature of all the reviews(no offense but I hate reviews of modified setup on day1 and people going gaga over reliability even without testing it thoroughly) gives a different notion altogether. As far as performance boost is concerned I have no doubts or second thoughts about the kits(duly substantiated by dyno charts from Joel). But reliability wise I ll be better off with stock setup. I have taken valuable suggestions and advices from my mentors Prateek(abhimanyu), Joel and Digislayer. And Prateek was more than willing to help me out in any of the situations. Besides, I have taken frequent help in procuring goodies from Harish and shared my share of troubles with him and others.

PS: Anil, I don't know whether you have a modified setup from RC or you had a smooth upgrade, but one thing I know that even with the most pro active care and detailed servicing, my modified setup is less reliable than a stock R15 and needs frequent attention. I have had my share of troubles and I can't simply ignore them even after quick replacement and prompt service by race concepts. On the other hand, I do enjoy the power bump.

Well the question whether it was worth? My answer would be its not an appropriate question as I was never aware of the flip sides and I couldn't take an informed decision. PERIOD

wow..amazing.. waiting for the facts from the thread starter too..
and that lets re-invent the wheel makes me laugh and smile at the same time.

@HarishK: Not being biased towards anyone.. But just want to confirm if you are putting forward your claims then I would request you to place all your cards down on the table. A lot of your statements are contradicting. There is no need to place PM's if you are confident of what you have stated is true, please do share with us all lads..

Having said that just on a personal note: Hot rodding or modding indeed have risks involved whether it is procuring parts from well known people from indonesia or here in India. I prefer the indian side so far as I have had good experience and the same thing applies for my friends with souped up rides which I have extensively written on various threads right from the good side to troubleshooting certain problems experienced on the way. The same may not be true for the others. Atleast on FZ ownership thread.. We have ownership experience from veteran riders like Lucky Luke and Mad Mik from Vietnam, who have had terrible experince from a seller from Indonesia whom you have praised so much on your first page. The same can be verified on Abhimanyu31's thread where his fellow riders went ahead with TDR BB kits and ended up with catastrophic engine seizure. So I am not too sure.. How reliable are the reliable vendors you have mentioned on this thread. If your reliable source from UK is so good then please do share the details so that others can verify it too and then can back up whatever you have stated.

Please don't take it as starting a flame war or fanboyism against whatever you have posted. Would request you to please state facts so that it benefits the other group of riders who are in doubt or would like to refer to people who have had gone ahead with souping up their rides..

All in good faith..

Cheers,

Again you mistake me Bro, The title of the thread points to a Big Bore, which was the source of most of the annoying experiences posted here. Lets say we all own a R1 how about a CC upgrade? Take almost every successful engine block on any automobile the CC would remain the same through out the product line. (Almost all Hondas and Yamahas) (Exceptions are there) My prime focus is to bring the drawbacks of this CC upgrade and my case is different coz I am planning to modd the entire engine except the gearing system and see the last message on the thread for my advice.

On contrast what we do here is to buy the block and plonk it just like that, I would say the seller should be aware of the outcomes. If not then this thread will tell the other possible outcome.



Good catch Bro, But find the Indonesian parts that I sell are present here . Harmless aren't they? and they help me in achieving my dream, so its acceptable I suppose

PS: I can very well import these blocks and sell it for less than half the price but I know the painful part of the story so I wont do it. If you want to give it a shot and test it, I can get it for you without any profit

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Haryono is a ripoff merchant. My advise is to steer well clear of Haryono and his Automotivesparepartsshop crap.

I bought his FZS "plug n play" 200cc big bore kit and big valve head with cryo bronze valve seats. I paid in total over US$2000 in December for the kit and other upgrade parts.
After waiting over 4 months for the head to arrive, It did....Unfinnished.
with broken cooling fin, bent cooling fin, cracked intake port runner where the valve guide was screwed in, a partially ported head, missing valve train (rockers, springs, spring washers, valve keepers, cam, cam bearings (X2) tappets, fasteners, head X bracket/cradle)
Wrong angle of the valve guides,
Custom spring washer and valve keepers needed to be made up/sourced
Not to mention the head was not FLAT (would have been leaking from the headgasket)
The piston he supplied was incorrect. It was for a standard valved head.
I got a RRGS forged 66mm and got the valve pockets machined out. This RRGS piston was of a far greater quality than the crap piston that was part of the kit.
The cam he finally did send (extra $ paid for custom duty) was a very poor regrind of the stock cam. You can feel the "corners" of the cam lobes where it should have been round. There was no specs on this cam, hense I called it a mystery cam. Hary was unable to give me any specs on it. The engine was unable to start due to the excessive lift/duration of this cam so stock cam was used.
CDI I bought was incompatable (no refund) and took 4months to get a wiring diagram from him.
Alloy swingarm was faulty. the (new custom) chain cut through the rubber chain guard and started to cut into the alloy arm itself! (no refund or exchange)
Mikuni TM28 carb was not rejetted to suit 200cc as we had agreed
Conrod was removed without my knowledge and its cost used for shipping the head to me.
Bodykit purchased was very poorly finished with dirt trapped under the paint, also did not fit at all!
double row engine crank bearings were substituted with single row bearings with fiber cage.

The cam supplied caused the valves to hit the piston (incorrect piston)
My mechanic had to finish off the head, decompress the combustion chamber and finish the port and polish, Not to mention lap the valve seats as they had never been done. Leaking cylinder head + leaking valve seats = more power???

After talking to Hary he finally admitted to sending me a incomplete unfinished head, though to him it was perfectly acceptable to send out this rubbish.
This is what he thinks of his customers.
So quick to take the money but very slow to offer solutions to the numerous problems his "plug and play" kit caused.

Anyone who wants to try their luck and waste their $ and blow up their engines are more than welcome to buy this Indonesian Junk.

Lucky Luc also bought the same kit but canceled his order for the bigvalve head due to the poor workmanship.

Had I taken this "plug and play" kit to a mechanic and asked him to assemble and install it without numerous measurements, CC combustion chamber, bore/stroke,gasket thickness and mockup builds, I would be posting up similar threads on this forum relating to siezed engines, broken rings, pistons etc.

With all engine parts, regardless if its plug n play, you need to measure the tolerances and check they will work with other parts. Check, measure, check measure repeat!

In hindsight I should have gone with Joel's 180cc kit as he has developed his own cyl, head and piston to suit.

As for the claim hary can advise factories I take that with a pinch of salt (Or should I say a handful)
Plug n Play? More like Plug n PRAY!!!

Anyone who wants to see pics as proof are more than welcome to ask!

be honest at-least to yourself(nothing personal) there's no point to be on this thread, because i personally think its more of a marketing gimmick..