Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

it is clearly mentioned on the website that FF351 as was tested as FF350.

I agree they might have done some mistakes in the past by calling the SHARP rating as marketing ploy, but they are learning from there mistakes and trying to rectify.

LS2 sold in india may be substandard as compared to what..?? please see it in relation to the cost at which they are being offered. an HJC 1 star rated helmet costs 99 GBP, that means 10,000 rupees, and a 2 star rated Airoh helmet costs 150 GBP = 15000 rupees. we are discussing helmets sold at 3000 to 5000 rupees.

what i suggest is, we do a follow up round whith LS2, based on the discussion till now. kindly post your questions, and i will try to get them answered.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Yes. It is clearly mentioned that FF351 is 4star rated by Sharp review (as FF350). What is not mentioned that 350 had scored 4 stars and 350 has scored only 1 star. If 351 has scored only 1 star rating, what is the point of quoting rating of some other helmet? It will be like quoting FZ16 having 150 bhp (as FZ1)

It is substandard compared to the claims made by the manufacturer. Price has no relevance here. If a helmet costing 100 rupees has 1 star rating and claims to have only 1 star, I have no issue. I have a serious issue when a 1 star helmet starts claiming to have 4 star rating. This is misleading and cheating.

Pricing has no direct relation with the rating. You can find several products costing less than Rs.10,000/- having 5 star rating. SHARP Helmets - Caberg Trip SHARP Helmets - Caberg V2 407 SHARP Helmets - Marushin 777 Samura

You can even see products costing Rs.6-7,000/- having 5 star rating. SHARP Helmets - Duchinni D832 SHARP Helmets - Lazer LZ6 SHARP Helmets - MT Revenge

Hence price and protection offered have no direct relationship.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Guys you can check this website: SHARP Helmets

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But then there are several big companies like HD Laguna, Dainese, KBC, HJC whose different model are rated as 1 star.

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I am using AIROH STUDDS VEGA and LS2 helmets. But I believe if some one crashes badly no helmet can save him / her.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

^^ yes, this is what i wanted to convey.
[MENTION=23857]trustvishwas[/MENTION]: they tried to play with the words, but we can understand the hidden underlying meaning.

now, i suggest, i do a follow up with LS2, kindly post the questions you want to be answered specifically.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

If you could ask these from my end :

1. Why they changed the models from DOT to ECE for Indian market?
2. Why so much price difference in the country. Do some LS2s sneak into the market without paying the taxes?
3. Why they have used sticker of some other Helmet's rating?
4. Why the difference in weight?
5. I don't know whether they are liable to answer it or not : But have they noticed that Vega Axor uses all LS2s designs, any specific reasons?

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

I don't know if this is a suitable question but I would like too add this:

Many people have bought LS2 helmets, including me, from Laxmi Auto along with a bill but no manufacturer warranty and all paid big amounts for them compared to local helmet market. Are they willing to check whether those are genuine or fake and what about the warranty? Why is warranty, which will add customer satisfaction, not provided for helmets which cost a lot?

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Did you get a dealer warranty atleast? Sometimes they give a seller/dealer warranty. I am beginning to think probiker sold me a fake piece, but he did give me a 2 year warranty.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Sol isn`t listed on snell website.gmax their sister company is listed,like we have come to know ls2 having different qualities for different markets,sol could also be some cheap quality for indian market conditions,also the mt helmets which are sold in india the same model isn`t listed on sharp uk website,
the whole scenario is,
even if the sharp uk is a marketing ploy
whether the helmets available in india like sol,ls 2 ,thh,vega axor series,mt helmets are indeed true dot or ece certified,
like prince pointed out laxmi auto showed him a scan copy of ece certification for ls2 products,
can you submit the proof for same
it would be nice if importers of such helmet brands send a xerox copy of the certifications to their resellers across the country so as the customer for themselves can see the certification rather than just stickering or embossed in the helmets
for.e.g
royal enfield is selling m pa company helmets and just embossing agv on it with dot certification,
now mpa is a local brand,and the price is equivalent to an mt /ls2 /thh helmet
isn`t it scary a helmet which is just worth rs 800 or so is selling at around 2500 -3000 rs just coz of the agv being embossed along with dot

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Breaking News !! (which is actually just internet research)

All those who wanted printed or embossed ECER certification stamp under clear coat ... here's the real deal.

the LS2 Helmets although claims to be ECE certified and still does not have a printed or permanently embossed ECE certification label and instead have a sticker.... why..??

because the ECE R-22-05 standard under which the ECE certification is awarded does not require a printed or embossed label on helmet shell. it is not how the standard tell you to put the label. as simple as that. the standard says that the label has to be placed on the retention strap in a certain format and LS2 does that exactly.

those who want to read the standard can download it from here--> http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/t...gs/r022r4e.pdf

for those who don't want to read too much, i am attaching screen shots-->





[MENTION=13887]prateek2210[/MENTION]
[MENTION=52772]AK3D[/MENTION]
[MENTION=23857]trustvishwas[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29015]Sunnyside_up![/MENTION]

I am attaching a pic of the actual label on the retention strap. the label complies with the requirement of the standard completely (100%).






In fact since [MENTION=29015]Sunnyside_up![/MENTION] is directly related to the helmet iindustry, he should be aware about this. i fail to understand why he was asking for embossed ECE logo on outer shell.

the issue of MRP is still not clear, and i am still in the process of finding an acceptable answer. in the meantime it came to my mind that we often purchase imported perfumes, which do not have any MRP printed on them, still that does not make it a fake. call it evading of taxes or duties or whatever, but it definitely does not make it fake or duplicate. this is not a justification, just a thought, as even i am looking for answer to this.


and since we are discussing standards, kindly read DOT standard from this link-->>

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 218, FMVSS 218, NHTSA, Bikers Rights


this first difference between DOT and ECE standard is that DOT standard is only a few pages long whereas the ECE standard is much more detailed and runs into more than 100 pages.


the second difference is that DOT is applicable to only one country and that is USA, whereas ECE applies to approximately 47 countries.


the third is the major difference, for ECE certification, you have to actually supply helmets to ECE testing body and the helmet is certified after it passes the tests, and not only this the helmet has to be again tested during production of 1st batch by the testing body appointed by ECE to confirm if the actual production helmets going to market is confirming to standard. WHEREAS DOT is just a guideline kind of, the manufacturer has to make sure that helmet confirms to DOT FMVSS-218 standard, and if the manufacturer thinks that his helmets confirms to DOT standard, he can happily put DOT logo on his helmet. there is no testing neccessary. now in USA, govt. randomly checks the helmet by either picking up from market or asking the manufacturer to supply helmets for testing. this means a helmet sold in india with DOT stamp may never be tested for conformity since USA govt. will not come to india to look for checking. this is also made clear in this article -->> Motorcycle Helmet Standards Explained: DOT, ECE 22.05 & Snell

this means a DOT approved helmet sold outside USA has zero credibility, untill and unless the same model is also sold in USA.

moreover, from May 2013, old style DOT approved stamps like these are no longer valid -->>





From May-2013 the DOT approval stamp has to be in this format(as also mentioned here - Motorcycle Helmet Standards Explained: DOT, ECE 22.05 & Snell ) -->>






Fourth difference between DOT and ECE standard is that DOT standard does not test visor, whereas ECE standard does test visor, although separate certificates are issued for visor and helmet. in USA there is a separate standard for visor called VESC-8 and can be downloaded from here -- > http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...ors/vesc-8.pdf

LS2 visor is VESC-8 approved.

based on above 4 differences between DOT and ECE standard, i believe it is better to stick to ECE certification for helmets sold outside USA.


now, here i would like to add one thing, although this thread is only about LS2 helmets, i just noticed that similar to LS2 playing with words claiming that FF351 is SHARP 4 star rated (as tested as FF350), even SOL has played with words similarly, SOL says that its helmet have "light weight DOT approved thermoplastic alloy shell" .... was it too difficult to simply write DOT approved helmet ?? ... meaning its helmet is not DOT approved... "talking legally" -->>




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i hope vishwas your query is answered, as it clearly states "P" in the label as required by ECE regulation.

thanks prateek for providing a list of questions, i request others also to provide similar questions from their end, as it is not possible for me (a single person) to think all the probable questions and doubts.

i will ask question -2,3,4 & 5. but for point number -5, can you provide me the link to helmets which have same design, coz even before visiting the concerned person, i searched on this topic but couldn't find any design exactly similar in LS2 and Vega.



helmets purchased from laxmi automobiles are original as claimed by them, however, they are ready to verify original or fake, but you have to take it to them. regarding warranty, i will discuss with him, but i fail to understand the real use of warranty on a helmet. can you provide an example - in which circumstance you may claim warranty.

you can visit laxmi automobiles and get it verified.


friends ... keep discussing and keep pouring in suggestions.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??


REAL CREDIBLE INFO THERE,THANKS
MY CONCLUSION,LS 2 IN INDIA ARE DEFINITELY ORIGINAL IF BOUGHT FROM LAXMI AUTO AND THEIR ASSOCIATES.LS2 HELMETS IS THE FASTEST GROWING BRAND IN THE WORLD
SOL IS JUST A MARKETING HYPE WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR SISTER COMPANY GMAX,WHY ISN`T SOL(NOT REFERRING TO GMAX) SOL INDIVIDUAL BRAND PART OF ANY MOTO GP2 LIKE LS2 IS,DAKAR RALLY ALSO WHICH IS THE FINEST IN THE WORLD,
Cyril Despres HAS ENDORSED THE LS 2 BRAND(no rider of such calibre will play with his life and wear a LS 2 helmet even if he is paid millions for advertisment,the fact he wore for all 5 title championships is that he knows the quality.)for those who dont know Cyril

Cyril Despres is a French rally racing motorcycle rider, resident of Andorra. He won the Dakar Rally five times, in 2005, 2007, 2010, 2012 and 2013; riding a KTM motorcycle

LS 2 IS PART OF MOTO GP IN 2014.SOURCE :: Motoworld Philippines ::

LIKE MENTIONED BY PRINCE DOT CAN BE PUT UP IF A MANUFACTURER THINKS IF HIS HELMET IS DOT QUALITY,EVEN A RS 710 MRP VEGA JET HALF FACE MODEL IS DOT APPROVED AS PER VEGA,

ALL THE ARGUMENTS REGARDING ECE NOT EMBOSSED IN HELMETS BY SUNNY IS FALSE AS ILLUSTRATED IN THIS VIDEO,AS PER ECE STANDARD ALL HELMETS WHICH MEET ECE SAFETY,THE HELMETS ARE TESTED IN THE FACTORY AND THEN IF THEY PASS ARE GIVEN THE ECE SAFETY WHICH IS MENTIONED ON THE CHIN STRAP,SO NOT NECESSARILY IT HAS TO BE A STICKER OR EMBOSSED IN THE HELMET,AND AS PER VIDEO THEY HAVE MENTIONED THAT DOT DOESN`T GENERALLY TEST THE HELMETS FOR DOT CERTIFICATION,ANY MANUFACTURER WHO THINK THEIR QUALITY IS OF DOT STANDARD CAN PUT UP DOT ON THE HELMET.

SO ITS TRUE WE ARE GETTING ECE QUALITY ORIGINAL HELMETS OF LS2 IN INDIA IF BOUGHT FROM RIGHT SOURCE,

FOR ALL CONFUSION BETWEEN DOT VS ECE VS SNELL THIS IS THE MOST INFORMATIVE VIDEO TILL DATE,DO LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT THE GUYS HAVE TO SAY AND MAKE YOUR CHOICE



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as per the above video its not necessary to buy the helmet with embossed/laminated certifications,on the strap one can check the ece safety rating.for ls2 owners if they doubt whether their helmet is genuine or not,just check the strap,simple as that,

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and for people who have doubts whether their LS2 helmet will protect them,check this video,it sure did of a professional racer


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MORE ADDITIONS
interesting fact,as Per SHARP the NEXX XR1R which is again from the importers of SOL and is priced at a whopping rs 30,000 approx has got 3 star sharp safety standard
link
SHARP Helmets - Nexx XR1R Carbon
and the LS2 carbon fibre FF 396 which is at around rs 10,000 has scored 4 star sharp rating link
SHARP Helmets - LS2 FF396

both NEXX XR1R and LS2 FF 396 are carbon fibre helmets and are ECE certified,still a cheaper priced LS 2 scores more than NEXX which is 3 times the amount,

now decide for yourself,whether LS2 is not worth your money.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

My honest and sincere request to all, plz do not indulge in LS2 vs SOL debate here, as we are only discussing LS2 here, otherwise the quality of the thread will be ruined and the purpose will be lost forever. for SOL, if ppl want plz start a seperate thread.

i had mentioned SOL just an as example and relevant context, and not as a comparison.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??


^^^ I agree.

In all the discussions, I have never once mentioned SOL or NEXX . Please check. We have been discussing LS2, and the disparities between what the company claims as 4Star but which is evidently 1Star. As far as I'm concerned, it begins and ends there.

The topic of discussion was also not about ECE vs DOT, which is another topic altogether. It was also not a comparison of LS2 with other brands. We were simply asking why LS2 claimed things that were obviously false and therefore the doubts arising out of it regarding the authenticity of the helmets sold in India. In fact I have several times mentioned that I too have owned an LS2 bought abroad and it was of very good quality, so when did this discussion suddenly become about me?
[MENTION=57473]lasky[/MENTION] - making a personal attack on me is unjustified and in poor taste, especially since you have accused me of things that are not true. Please show me one place that I have mentioned that the ECE certification has to be mandatorily embossed? I have only said so of the DOT certification. When speaking to many helmet manufacturers, which is part of my work, I have been repeatedly told by them that this is a good way to be clear on the certification and that is why the more straight-forward companies do it even though not necessary and that is exactly what I have said too. Even in the post that you have quoted above, I have clearly mentioned that stickers are a common trade practice followed by other brands too and that helps the fakers, hence I would look for the embossed certificate which is hard to fake. I did not say no embossing means fake.

Its common sense that a label can be stitched on just like a sticker can be pasted on and is not an integral part of the helmet, whereas an embossed certification can never be denied. Since you have raised the issue, I have seen FF351 helmets in India that have the label FF350 stitched to the inside. If the label can be wrong, and the SHARP rating sticker can be wrong, what else do you think could be wrong? And that's what so many of us are asking!

I have never hidden my association with SPG that distributes SOL or NEXX but I have never once promoted either brand either. I have repeatedly said that I participate here as a biker, first, last and always. How many other company heads do you see here participating as one of the community? Or for that matter participating in rides, G2G's and discussions? They don't because they then become soft targets for unjustified and insensitive comments like yours. Many here have ridden with me or met me at G2G's and know that I never talk about my work unless asked a direct question because I'm always there just as a biker, though I do step in to help if requested. Many others had adverse comments about LS2 in the discussion, while I did not go beyond stating facts. Yet you chose to single me out? Why? [MENTION=23857]trustvishwas[/MENTION] asked a lot of pointed questions but got no answers yet now the attention is being diverted by personally attacking me? Why?

SOL never claimed to be ECE certified, or that DOT was better. NEXX doesn't paste SHARP rating stickers on its helmets, so why are you discussing them? That said, please show me one place where I or the brands I work with have claimed something false? If there is, I will be the first to take it up on behalf of the community.

The discussion is titled "Genuine or Fake" - about integrity and authenticity. Not this brand vs that brand.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

The warranty claims I am talking about is not with regards to repair of helmets after a crash. The warranty can be claimed against a manufacturing defect, or things like the visor coming loose.Apparently some dealers also claim to replace cracked visors under warranty( a member posted in this thread).

And good news is my LS2 has the required standard printed on the strap so it's original! Yayyy thanks [MENTION=15693]princesirohi[/MENTION]

LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Nice info there.... May i know what the number below "E" means??? Like in the pic it says E4 while in the helmet pic it says E9... Whats the difference??


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Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Thank you for researching and bringing this information to everyone.

Request to everyone, this thread is about rider's safety. There is no need to indulge in personal attacks anywhere. We are not indulging in a brand war or a my-helmet-is-better-than-yours thingy here. I could understand that [MENTION=15693]princesirohi[/MENTION] and [MENTION=23857]trustvishwas[/MENTION] were concerned about the amount of spurious LS2 helmets in the market, therefore these clarifications. The thing is, no one would want a fellow biker to harm himself by using a fake helmet which might not meet the required safety parameters.