Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??


Wrong. If you go through all 110 pages of the ECER-22-05 standard, you will observe that it says –

4. MARKINGS

4.1. The protective helmets submitted for approval in conformity with paragraph 3.1. above shall bear:

4.1.1. On the helmet, the applicant's trade name or mark and an indication of the size and, if appropriate, an indication of the unsuitability of the lower face cover to offer any protection against impacts to the chin.

4.1.2. On the visor, the applicant=s trade name or mark and, if appropriate, an indication of the unsuitability of the visor for use during the hours of darkness or in conditions of poor visibility.

4.2. The visors submitted for approval in conformity with paragraph 3.2. above shall bear the applicant's trade name or mark and, if appropriate, an indication of the unsuitability of the visor for use during the hours of darkness or in conditions of poor visibility.

4.3. The marking shall not be placed within the main visibility area.

4.4. The marking shall be indelible, clearly legible and in readily accessible place.

My question – Whether LS2 markings match these? Does a sticker translate to indelible marking? If yes, how? If not, why not & isn’t that illegal?

There is no question of embossing. It is question of mandatory markings on the helmet. In my humble opinion, a sticker does NOT make a indelible marking.

Circular No. 21/2008-Customs says -
It has been observed that the provisions relating to import of packaged commodities are governed by the Standards of Weights and Measures (Packaged Commodities) Rules, 1977. As per Rule 6 of the said Rules, read with para 5 of the Chapter 1A: General Notes regarding Import Policy, ITC(HS) Schedule 1 of the Foreign Trade Policy, no pre-packaged commodity shall be allowed entry into the country, unless such packages comply with all of the provisions of the said Rules and in particular carry the declarations regarding name and address of the importer, name of the commodity, net quantity in terms of standard unit of weights and measures, month and year of packing or importation and maximum retail sale price.

Hope this is clear and doesn’t require any further explanation.


No. We are not discussing standards here. As mentioned in heading of the thread, we are only discussing whether LS2 helmets sold in India are original / fake. Also whether the helmets sold by their authorized distributor are of the quality which they claim to have.

Like I mentioned above, we are not talking about LS2 worldwide. We are only talking about whether LS2 helmets being sold in India are in fact ECER22-05 compliant as claimed.


Instead of relying on videos, why don’t you bother to read the actual regulations? Is is too much to ask for? Me and Prince both have put up a link to the regulations.

If you are so confident about getting the original helmet, why not attempt answering (logically) my questions at the end of this post?


Good that you mentioned FF396 here. I was itching to get to this. Can you say with a straight face that a FF396 CT2 which is sold at around GBP300 (Rs.30,000) LS2 FF396 CT2 Carbon Helmet - FC-Moto English) is same as the one sold in India for around Rs.10,000?

There are several helmets costing less than Rs.10,000 (in UK) who score 5star rating in sharp review.
SHARP Helmets - Caberg Trip - Rs.9000
SHARP Helmets - Duchinni D832 - Rs.6000
SHARP Helmets - MT Revenge - Rs.6500

So by your logic, LS2FF396 that scores 4 star rating must be pathetic in comparison with these helmets. Right?

Now a list of questions from my side :

1. ECER rules say –
14.1. Every protective helmet placed on the market shall bear a clearly visible label with the following inscription in the national language, or at least one of the national languages of the country of destination.

This information shall contain:

"For adequate protection, this helmet must fit closely and be securely attached. Any helmet that has sustained a violent impact should be replaced"

For a ECER approved helmet, where is this information?

2. Is the FF351 model sold in India is actually FF351 or is it FF350?

3. If it is FF350, why is it being labeled as FF351?

4. If it is FF351, why is being claimed to have 4 star rating from Sharp review? When in fact it has scored only 1 star in this review?

5. Isn’t this misrepresentation of facts? If yes, why? If no, how?

6. ECER rules say –
14.3. Every protective helmet shall be clearly marked with its size and its maximum weight, to the nearest 50 grammes, as placed on the market. The maximum weight quoted should include all the accessories that are supplied with the helmets, within the packaging, as it is placed on the market, whether or not those accessories have actually been fitted to the helmet.

Why the LS weight varies 25-30% from the claimed weight? Does this mean that that particular helmet is not compliant? If it is non compliant, why is it labeled as compliant?

7. This is mislabeling and punishable under Weights and Measures (Packaged Commodities) Rules, 1977. What is the answer about this?




Note : For those who don't know, @princesirohi and me are good friends. We have started this research as a part of effort of Pune xBhp team. I can vouch that Prince has no relation; financial or otherwise; with Laxmi Auto.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

[MENTION=1]Sunny[/MENTION] i have nothing against you or sol nexx hjc kbc or ls2,this community is not about supporting individual promotions of companies,its about helping fellow bikers with true facts,its wrong on ls2 to promote their helmets with 4 star and then the true fact is the 1 star,if you remember few months ago i had forwarded you the conversation about sharp and ls2,like ls2 claiming today 1 star same can be 4 stars tomorrow, same might be applicable for nexx,3 stars today might score 5 stars tom,so the main discussion is and will always be discussed here without any attacks on any other brand other than ls2 whether the one we are getting in India are indeed original ece certified and that only prince can let us know once he prepares another questionnaire for anil gupta,if i have offended anyone here my sincere apologies,that wasn't my intention,

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

If I remember , sunnysideup never promoted SOL or MT as his own brand. He "always gave option" if the buyer is on limited budget.
Sorry for being OT, but had to post this

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

the number below E mentions the country in which the helmet is tested and approved for ECE, the LS2 helmet that we get in india come with E9 label, meaning it is certified in Spain.




no, my dear, you are wrong....again...

reasons -->

(1) These marking requirements are for helmets submitted for approval / testing & not for production helmets, as mentioned by you in 4.1

(2) Even if we ASSUME that, these are requirements of production helmets, the stickered marking is definitely indelible as under normal use , these stickers are quite robust and take all the beating of summer or rainy season or normal day to day use or abuse, without getting faded or torn for, unless and untill somebody deliberately tries to remove them by scratching, and a printed or embossed one can also be removed by scratching, only difference being that one needs a sharp object to scratch and remove a printed label. other than deliberate attempts to scratch and remove, the sticker labels are quite long lasting.

(3) Even if we ASSUME that, these are requirements of production helmets, "on the helmet" does not necessarily mean "on the outer shell". it can simply mean, that size has to be mentioned somewhere on helmet in readily accessible place (as mentioned in 4.4) and there is a tag mentioning size of helmet, inside the helmet also, which in my opinion is also a "readily accessible place"

(4) As an example, i would like you to visit the following links showing some of the prestigious helmets like agv and shark, which either does not mention size and weight on the outer shell or uses a similar sticker -->

Shark S 650 - webBikeWorld

AGV Grid Helmet - Solid - RevZilla

AGV AX-8 EVO Naked Helmet - RevZilla

(5) The Actual marking requirements for ECE certified helmets which are sold in market are mentioned in some other clause. Section-14.3 to be precise, kindly have a look -->







and nowhere it mentions that, size and weight have to be printed or embossed. it simply says that it has to be mentioned on helmet.


so, definitely LS2 markings match the requirements of ECE R 22-05 standard. In fact, if the markings do not confirm to the ECE requirements, they would not have got an ECE certification as due to non-conformity the application for certification would have been outrightly rejected.


this is actually nitpicking, can you show me this label in any other reputed brand helmet?

however i guess this is written on the visor protection label, that we tear off before use->







agreed, there seems to be some problem here, will get clarification on this from LS2.




again this is not established fact.

i too own an LS2 and when purchased, within a few weeks i had measured its weight and it was within the printed limit, however, as conveyed on whatsapp also few days ago, i tried measuring it again and it was showing different weight in different shops, meaning every shop digital measuring unit is not accurate, so we need a measuring device which can guarantee accurate weight as it is not uncommon for shopkeepers to alter or tamper their machines, so it shows more weight.



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No, it is not clear,since we can get a lot of imported stuff in our country which does not have MRP printed on it. so while it may be clear from your end, i need to find some more info or ask LS2.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

I own a shark helmet and can vouch that these details are mentioned in detail on shark.



This is a warranty card with helmet serial number


Hope this shows that the label is for 1350-1450 grams and the actual weight is 1600 gram i.e.14% difference than permissible weight.



Only legally imported goods will carry these stickers.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

thanks for pics...from the pics it seems the weight and size label is a sticker..??

and where is this information on your shark helmet...??

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Yes. It is a sticker but pasted below clear coat. So you can't remove it without damaging helmet.


It was printed on a label which was removed. You may see a portion of that below the sharp rating sticker.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

I get to understand that a lot of effort has gone into this project but as a LS2 user, I feel the helmet is of good quality. The difference in the quality of detailing, painting and designing, embossing, visor and visor fitting mechanism, removable and washable inner lining with LS2 embossed etc. will have a substantial difference if it is fake, and will be clearly visible. A simple exercise of comparing the LS2 lid with Vega lid of same designs (Vega with the new series has all LS2 designs copied) will show the difference in the quality of finish. I am happy with the investment of Rs. 3500 for the FF350 and I am sure it will provide adequate protection in, God forbid unfortunate fall.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Have been user of LS2 since 5 years.

Good quality and decent helmet for speeds up to 120 kmph.

However, I have seen some Fake LS2 helmets in Bangalore especially. One can easily make out the difference in the finishing and paint quality of the helmet. The one showed in pics above on weight scale looks like a Fake to be honest.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

We are not questioning about whether you feel it better or worse than comparable helmets. The question here is whether the LS2 helmets sold in India are of the quality they claim to be.

Unfortunately, this helmet has been purchased from Laxmi Auto with a bill to prove its purchase.


@princesirohi - I feel that we should keep the questions simple so that Laxmi Auto can't avoid answering them. I also feel that you should send a mail to him so that he can get sufficient time to study and reply. Also if he replies, you will have something in writing.

I propose the questions should be -

1. Is the FF351 model sold in India is actually FF351 or is it FF350?

2. If it is FF350, why is it being labeled as FF351?

3. If it is FF351, why is being claimed to have 4 star rating from Sharp review? When in fact it has scored only 1 star in this review?

4. Isn’t this misrepresentation of facts? If yes, why? If no, how?

5. Why the LS helmets sold in India weight varies 15-30% from the claimed weight? Does this mean that that particular helmet is not compliant? If it is non compliant, why is it labeled as compliant?

6. As per the Customs Act, the MRP of the imported helmet has to be labelled on each and every helmet box, along with other specific information such as importer, source company, import date, etc. Why is this information not present?

7. Is there any way he can prove beyond doubt that the helmets sold in India are in fact ECER compliant helmets? ( I know it may be hard but no harm in asking)

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

your idea is good, will think about it. actually i was thinking of asking these questions to LS2 china i.e. MHR helmets.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Better yet. Send a mail to Laxmi auto with cc to china.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

I dont know if they are fake or genuine but my life got saved twice on an LS2 helmet. FF358 LS2 model. I dint feel like changing the brand. Brought it from Laxmi Automobiles, JM road. Hope this information adds up, report the post if not.

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

This is a brilliant information, Prince!! You took a great initiative in informing us. Kudos... well done

Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

Does anyone own an LS2 FF384?? The FF384 model is supposed to have a drop down sun visor but mine doesn't but it still has open/close text around the area where the drop down lever was supposed to be. I bought mine from pro biker a year back for 3500rs and the guy had mentioned that they removed the sun visor for the indian version to cut down the retail price. Can someone please verify this?