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  • #91
    Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

    sent an e-mail to LS2 china, with all the tough questions, lets wait for their answer.
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    • #92
      Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

      Originally posted by lasky View Post
      we made some changes to allow for the use of Bluetooth and the sharp test didn’t like that so there we go , as I say its not the law , just a Marketing exercise from a government dept which will eventually run out of money.

      As I said the FF350 is the FF351 we give it a different number at the factory purely for production.
      ......
      and I cant answer your questions on a daily basis .
      #1 If they're not too happy with SHARP, why plaster their helmets with SHARP 4 STAR stickers!

      #2 If that is true, what about the huge price discrepancy on the SHARP site - FF350 was bought for 110GBP and FF351 is for 39!
      LS2 FF350 Mono Full face 110.00 (weight 1.65 kg SHARP Helmets - LS2 FF350 Mono)
      LS2 FF351 Full face 39.99 (weight 1.35 kg SHARP Helmets - LS2 FF351)
      Last edited by AK3D; 05-09-2014, 12:23 AM.

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      • #93
        Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

        Originally posted by lasky View Post
        Please remember we make this model for 83 countries with no country specific changes but maybe that is something we look at again in the future.
        [MENTION=15693]princesirohi[/MENTION], This statement means that the jargon given by Laxmi Auto about region/ country specific models made by LS2 is untrue.


        Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
        sent an e-mail to LS2 china, with all the tough questions, lets wait for their answer.
        Great. Let's hope for a logical answer. Did you mark the mail to Laxmi Auto as well?


        Originally posted by AK3D View Post
        #1 If they're not too happy with SHARP, why plaster their helmets with SHARP 4 STAR stickers!
        Precisely. It is not a legal requirement and FF351 has only single star rating so this is simple case of cheating the gullible.

        Originally posted by AK3D View Post
        #2 If that is true, what about the huge price discrepancy on the SHARP site - FF350 was bought for 110GBP and FF351 is for 39!
        LS2 FF350 Mono Full face 110.00 (weight 1.65 kg SHARP Helmets - LS2 FF350 Mono)
        LS2 FF351 Full face 39.99 (weight 1.35 kg SHARP Helmets - LS2 FF351)
        As I have been saying all along, these two are completely different models and only because they want to claim a higher safety rating, they have been claiming that these are the same models. Both helmets have different weight, different price points and only someone with wrong intention can claim that these are one and the same.

        I honestly think that Laxmi Auto is buying helmets from LS2. However, the helmets supplied by company are not to the specifications they are claimed. (you can check weight test where nearly every helmet has failed to be in the specified price range). And knowingly or unknowingly, Laxmi Auto is promoting these helmets as 4 star rated helmets.
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        • #94
          Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

          Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post
          @princesirohi, This statement means that the jargon given by Laxmi Auto about region/ country specific models made by LS2 is untrue.

          no, i believe that what laxmi automobiles said is correct and tech design team is ill-informed, the reason being, TDT is not the manufacturer, they are design team (i believe), so TDT will never know what changes company has done to TDT design while shipping to india.




          Great. Let's hope for a logical answer. Did you mark the mail to Laxmi Auto as well

          no, because i want to know the answers from both LS2 china laxmi auto, seperately and want to check if both are in tune with each other.





          Precisely. It is not a legal requirement and FF351 has only single star rating so this is simple case of cheating the gullible.



          As I have been saying all along, these two are completely different models and only because they want to claim a higher safety rating, they have been claiming that these are the same models. Both helmets have different weight, different price points and only someone with wrong intention can claim that these are one and the same.

          I honestly think that Laxmi Auto is buying helmets from LS2. However, the helmets supplied by company are not to the specifications they are claimed. (you can check weight test where nearly every helmet has failed to be in the specified price range). And knowingly or unknowingly, Laxmi Auto is promoting these helmets as 4 star rated helmets.
          FF351 is derived from FF350, and it seems the changes are incorporated to enable bluetooth devices to be able to fit, infact if you again visit sharp website and check both these models, FF351 has fared badly in side impact zones, rest is same. lets wait and watch and also wee when we indian get the new FF352 model.
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          • #95
            Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

            Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
            FF351 is derived from FF350, and it seems the changes are incorporated to enable bluetooth devices to be able to fit, infact if you again visit sharp website and check both these models, FF351 has fared badly in side impact zones, rest is same. lets wait and watch and also wee when we indian get the new FF352 model.
            You reduce weight of a helmet by 18% , reduce its price by 63% and you essentially have the same helmet..... right?


            1. What is your take on country/region specific helmets manufactured? Laxmi Auto told you that LS2 are being manufactured as per regional requirements. Whereas Gavin Mccaffery clearly says that - we make this model for 83 countries with no country specific changes.

            2.
            Every product in the world is usually derived from its predecessor...may be for reduction in cost....may be for maintaining brand image......This does not mean that the product that is being replaced is same one. Would you say that the New Skoda Octavia is the same as old Skoda octavia? It is derived from older model but it is NOT the same.
            Last edited by trustvishwas; 05-09-2014, 12:43 PM.
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            • #96
              Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

              Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post
              You reduce weight of a helmet by 18% , reduce its price by 63% and you essentially have the same helmet..... right?


              1. What is your take on country/region specific helmets manufactured? Laxmi Auto told you that LS2 are being manufactured as per regional requirements. Whereas Gavin Mccaffery clearly says that - we make this model for 83 countries with no country specific changes.

              2.
              Every product in the world is usually derived from its predecessor...may be for reduction in cost....may be for maintaining brand image......This does not mean that the product that is being replaced is same one. Would you say that the New Skoda Octavia is the same as old Skoda octavia? It is derived from older model but it is NOT the same.
              as i have already mentioned and will say it again, i believe since TDT is only a design team and not the manufacturer, they may not be fully aware of what changes the manufacturer has done at factory level for selling in other regions at a lower cost. lets wait for reply from LS2 china (MHR)

              i have even mentioned about TDT in my e-mail to LS2 china, so lets wait for there reply.

              i never said FF351 is same as FF350, i only said FF351 is derived from FF350. and may be company is aware about the shortcomings of FF351, that is why may be it is coming up with FF352, so lets wait for reply from LS2 china.
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              • #97
                Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                FF351 is derived from FF350, and it seems the changes are incorporated to enable bluetooth devices to be able to fit, infact if you again visit sharp website and check both these models, FF351 has fared badly in side impact zones, rest is same.
                Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                i never said FF351 is same as FF350, i only said FF351 is derived from FF350. and may be company is aware about the shortcomings of FF351, that is why may be it is coming up with FF352, so lets wait for reply from LS2 china.
                Yes. You said that it is derived from FF350 and changes were made to fit bluetooth devices....rest is same.

                FF350 has 4 stars.....FF351 has 1 star.....FF351 is derived from FF350.......FF350 weighs 1650 grams......FF351 weighs 1350 grams....FF350 costs 11k.....FF351 costs 4k.....LS2 claims that FF351 achieves 4stars as FF350.......Why not claim 1 star as FF351 when the product you are selling is FF351 and NOT FF350? ......simply because most customers will rely on their claim of 4 star rating......simply cheating in my opinion. Of course, your opinion may differ.

                If you see I have not mentioned TDT in my post here.

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                Last edited by trustvishwas; 05-09-2014, 01:17 PM.
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                • #98
                  Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                  Is the FF350 that we're getting in India the same as the 1 star FF351 as both weigh a claimed 1350g and the prices are the same?

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                  • #99
                    Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                    Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post
                    .....
                    FF350 has 4 stars.....FF351 has 1 star.....FF351 is derived from FF350.......FF350 weighs 1650 grams......FF351 weighs 1350 grams....FF350 costs 11k.....FF351 costs 4k.....LS2 claims that FF351 achieves 4stars as FF350.......Why not claim 1 star as FF351 when the product you are selling is FF351 and NOT FF350? ......simply because most customers will rely on their claim of 4 star rating......simply cheating in my opinion. Of course, your opinion may differ......
                    i agree there is a problem here, everyone agrees, but saying it again and again will not change anything, lets wait for a day or two...

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                    Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post
                    .....
                    FF350 has 4 stars.....FF351 has 1 star.....FF351 is derived from FF350.......FF350 weighs 1650 grams......FF351 weighs 1350 grams....FF350 costs 11k.....FF351 costs 4k.....LS2 claims that FF351 achieves 4stars as FF350.......Why not claim 1 star as FF351 when the product you are selling is FF351 and NOT FF350? ......simply because most customers will rely on their claim of 4 star rating......simply cheating in my opinion. Of course, your opinion may differ......
                    i agree there is a problem here, everyone agrees, but saying it again and again will not change anything, lets wait for a day or two...
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                    • Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                      Originally posted by pcgamer View Post
                      Is the FF350 that we're getting in India the same as the 1 star FF351 as both weigh a claimed 1350g and the prices are the same?
                      We do not get FF350. We get FF351. LS2 Helmets

                      Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                      i agree there is a problem here, everyone agrees, but saying it again and again will not change anything, lets wait for a day or two...

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                      i agree there is a problem here, everyone agrees, but saying it again and again will not change anything, lets wait for a day or two...
                      Sure, we can wait.....but......errr.....aren't you saying it again and again?
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                      • Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                        Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post
                        We do not get FF350. We get FF351. LS2 Helmets
                        We do get FF350, at least we did get them in the past. E.g the famous LS2 Phobia sold here is named FF350

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                        • Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                          there are a lot FF350 still available in india, check acebiker.com, although these are not to be seen on LS2 official indian website. so either it is an old stock or another controversy.
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                          • Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                            Originally posted by pcgamer View Post
                            We do get FF350, at least we did get them in the past. E.g the famous LS2 Phobia sold here is named FF350
                            I really have no clue about it. Check from weight and price points and arrive at your result.
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                            • Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                              The FF350s are old models. I think they were last manufactured in 2012. They were pretty famous in xBhp back in the day> Here's a link which shows a couple more designs.


                              I think this one is an FF350.


                              EDIT Pic not taken by me. Pic source: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-...ml#post1061321
                              Last edited by pcgamer; 05-09-2014, 06:32 PM.

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                              • Re: LS2 Helmets India - Genuine or Fake ..??

                                Originally posted by pcgamer View Post
                                The FF350s are old models. I think they were last manufactured in 2012. They were pretty famous in xBhp back in the day> Here's a link which shows a couple more designs.


                                I think this one is an FF350.
                                Fails on both weight counts then. Thanks for weighing it.

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