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  • Another trend which the so called Tuners in india follow is, make the customer a lab rat/guinea pig/test mule to tune and get results. Results are promised even before the tuner has personally attempted and the end results will end up in something else. The hard earned money of the poor customer is wasted and then the blame (if things dont work well) is thrown at each other.
    The trend that India lacks is building a motor and showcasing the potential and then assuring the customer. Both me and Venu built the Fieros and it was a revolution back in 2004/2005. People were astonished by the way a lame looking Fiero was transformed. I continoulsy kept working for 3 yrs and my foundation with all my mods and ideas lies in the constant development I performed on the Fiero all these years. It was one hell of a trip, how does rebuilding an engine twice/thrice a week sometimes sounds? I have done some crazy stuffs, blown parts, pushed the engine to its limits pretty much and in the process drained some Lakhs of my hard earned money. So there goes my stuffs with my Fiero and I'm still working on some radical things in the Fiero.
    Then was my brand new RTR. Did the stuffs and proved what can be done with an RTR.
    We worked on our karizma and again blew some serious money and got the results, however its still an unfinished project.
    Then I picked my own R15 and now pushing it. I'm stretching its legs now to see the potential for street and parallely working on my Race R15s project which is for a difference objective. Since I race, my development picks the pace faster and I can confidently say and its proven that a race derived machine is bullet proof in street. When you have seen the limits, you exactly know whats the break-away point.

    I do not wish to experiment and make somebody bear the brunt of a mistake. A proven package will always stand out and that makes the winning difference.
    I believe in building, showcasing with results and then selling. Not building with words!
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    • Joel,

      Build something for the Bullets man, especially for the AVLs. I've been waiting for a decent set of cams from India. The Big Man is yet to make any and nobody else is doing much either. The UK stuff is damn expensive. I, for one, would be ready to pay the same money in India, minus the duties and shipping.

      Cheers,

      Jay

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      • ^I would surely like to work on the new UCE 500. That will be some serious fun. If time permits, I might rip apart one fairly new UCE 500 TBTS and do some works.
        The thing which never sparked me with the bullets is that I frankly dislike low-revvy engines. And then, I need some muscles to pull that thing apart man .
        I have been eyeing the 500 and 350 heads for a while now, so there are some serious things to be done. Cams are a restriction and then again the bottom engine needs to be beefed. Crank to clutch to the GB which means you have to put some serious money and time for developments. The UCE is much better than the AVL and the rest. AVL is better than the older ones however.
        But the point is, how many are serious about pimping a bullet? How much are people willing to stretch?
        I see more cruisers than cafe racers, so you can see the trend! Nobody wants to sweat on engine works man. All want the gloss and looks only, esp bullet owners.
        Trust me, building an Esteem's engine is cheaper than working on a bullet, no jokes!
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        • Originally posted by Joel View Post
          I can offer stuff for anyone in the country and not restricted to Bangalore alone. Bangalore is yet to realise a lot of things, other cities are worse. Its more bling than go here when it comes to 4-strokes and I have seriously fingered some 2-stroke fanatics and proven a thing or two with 4-strokes.

          When it comes to tuning, people here are only interested in copying. I know of the no of people who are on my tail to sneak into what I do and make some quick bucks. However copying will never teach them anything but will surely earn a lot of money coz they save the time and money with development.
          Back in 2005, I built my first tuned freeflow on my Fiero 200 and the performance gains were something else. I once took the exhaust to a tinker to re-fabricate one section and in 6 months I could see some multiple copies of what i built all over the town. The dimensions were all wrong however and those pipes were more in favour of farting than moving. But who knows dimensions are more important than the looks.

          Even on xbhp, I get PMs and mails from fellow members who wanna know what exactly i have built. many seek ideas for their builds and expect me to give every detailed aspect, while it has taken me some serious money and crazy efforts to get there. This is a short-cut country. No body wants to exploit, all want to only replicate.

          I see a lot of posts on xbhp about porting a 4-stroke head. If even 1% of the people here realise what it takes to make a good flowing port and what goes into my build, that would be something else. Porting as per most is merely enlarging the port and for most its a childs play. Big deal just remove the metal and voila you have a fast bike! How I wish it was that easy.
          Next is the big-bore craze. Shov a larger piston and fly?
          You are going nowhere fast except for merely making some more torque at lower revs. Put the bike on a dyno and you'll see its loosing power at higher revs over a stock engine.
          Building a big-bore engine is again a cake-walk here, according to the experts here.

          The reason why people are ignorant is coz they get all the technical gyaan from their friendly neighbourhood mechanic who is purely an illiterate. Atleast 90% of the mechanics are illiterates and almost all have a very unorthodox and non-technical approach towards tuning. Basics are not in place.
          Anybody who can remove and put back things and fix can become a mechanic, but a tuner is something else. Since anything to do with engines is considered as a dirty business with greasy hands, is why this scene is still stuck at this. A mechanic is still some giddu or chottu who will remain in the scene for the next 30-40yrs. Then his son grows and takes over with the same culture in place.
          All the educated ones are busy earning some serious salary at some big MNCs and nobody except for a handful are serious about tuning in this country. And almost all the bikers are stuck with the illiterate mechs.
          I for one, have my own approach towards tuning which is way radical than what i have seen with others. I'm glad I have got to this much in such a short time, coz of my approach. FYI, I'm not even a mechanical or automobile engineer. I hold a bachelor degree in Business Management. So whats the connection?
          Thats some serious, I mean dead serious interest levels, commitment, innovative thinking, money and patience.
          I eat, walk, talk, sleep, dream engines.

          Joel
          3 cheers for JOEL "hip hip hurry" "hip hip hurry" "hip hip hurry"

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          • Originally posted by Joel View Post
            I can offer stuff for anyone in the country and not restricted to Bangalore alone. Bangalore is yet to realise a lot of things, other cities are worse. Its more bling than go here when it comes to 4-strokes and I have seriously fingered some 2-stroke fanatics and proven a thing or two with 4-strokes.

            When it comes to tuning, people here are only interested in copying. I know of the no of people who are on my tail to sneak into what I do and make some quick bucks. However copying will never teach them anything but will surely earn a lot of money coz they save the time and money with development.
            Back in 2005, I built my first tuned freeflow on my Fiero 200 and the performance gains were something else. I once took the exhaust to a tinker to re-fabricate one section and in 6 months I could see some multiple copies of what i built all over the town. The dimensions were all wrong however and those pipes were more in favour of farting than moving. But who knows dimensions are more important than the looks.

            Even on xbhp, I get PMs and mails from fellow members who wanna know what exactly i have built. many seek ideas for their builds and expect me to give every detailed aspect, while it has taken me some serious money and crazy efforts to get there. This is a short-cut country. No body wants to exploit, all want to only replicate.

            I see a lot of posts on xbhp about porting a 4-stroke head. If even 1% of the people here realise what it takes to make a good flowing port and what goes into my build, that would be something else. Porting as per most is merely enlarging the port and for most its a childs play. Big deal just remove the metal and voila you have a fast bike! How I wish it was that easy.
            Next is the big-bore craze. Shov a larger piston and fly?
            You are going nowhere fast except for merely making some more torque at lower revs. Put the bike on a dyno and you'll see its loosing power at higher revs over a stock engine.
            Building a big-bore engine is again a cake-walk here, according to the experts here.

            The reason why people are ignorant is coz they get all the technical gyaan from their friendly neighbourhood mechanic who is purely an illiterate. Atleast 90% of the mechanics are illiterates and almost all have a very unorthodox and non-technical approach towards tuning. Basics are not in place.
            Anybody who can remove and put back things and fix can become a mechanic, but a tuner is something else. Since anything to do with engines is considered as a dirty business with greasy hands, is why this scene is still stuck at this. A mechanic is still some giddu or chottu who will remain in the scene for the next 30-40yrs. Then his son grows and takes over with the same culture in place.
            All the educated ones are busy earning some serious salary at some big MNCs and nobody except for a handful are serious about tuning in this country. And almost all the bikers are stuck with the illiterate mechs.
            I for one, have my own approach towards tuning which is way radical than what i have seen with others. I'm glad I have got to this much in such a short time, coz of my approach. FYI, I'm not even a mechanical or automobile engineer. I hold a bachelor degree in Business Management. So whats the connection?
            Thats some serious, I mean dead serious interest levels, commitment, innovative thinking, money and patience.
            I eat, walk, talk, sleep, dream engines.

            Joel
            Hey joel, after going through all that you've expressed iv really felt a great amount of difference in the way of looking at an engine in order to pimp it. Its truly not a childs play and after reading all that uv written it doesnt even make it one. Accepting a fact is very hard but in my case it didnt take time. I wouldnt have wished to fall in the 'posers' list which would have been quite obvious but u saved me buddy, u truly did. I wish maximum of xBHPians go through what u have expressed and probably understand it and it might give rise to a revolution regarding how one looks at an engine.
            All respect to you.

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            • Originally posted by Joel View Post
              ^I would surely like to work on the new UCE 500. That will be some serious fun. If time permits, I might rip apart one fairly new UCE 500 TBTS and do some works.
              The thing which never sparked me with the bullets is that I frankly dislike low-revvy engines. And then, I need some muscles to pull that thing apart man .
              I have been eyeing the 500 and 350 heads for a while now, so there are some serious things to be done. Cams are a restriction and then again the bottom engine needs to be beefed. Crank to clutch to the GB which means you have to put some serious money and time for developments. The UCE is much better than the AVL and the rest. AVL is better than the older ones however.
              But the point is, how many are serious about pimping a bullet? How much are people willing to stretch?
              I see more cruisers than cafe racers, so you can see the trend! Nobody wants to sweat on engine works man. All want the gloss and looks only, esp bullet owners.
              Trust me, building an Esteem's engine is cheaper than working on a bullet, no jokes!
              Dude,

              One small correction. The UCE500 will be a single spark mill. Meanwhile, the high performance cams that Royal Enfield USA sells cost $260. So, a similar priced high quality cam set will find plenty of takers in India I guess. Coming to Bulleteers wanting bling, isn't it the same scene for most other bikes in India? Meanwhile, about the head of the 350s and 500s, someone has to do something radical man. I have ordered a new head for tuning which should arrive in a few days. I'l stock the head till someone is willing to do it up for me. Anyway, keep up the awesome work man.

              Cheers,

              Jay

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              • ^The UCE500 Machismo I saw was being tested at chennai by Ucal and had twin spark. Maybe what i saw was a proto. I have pics
                keep the head, lets see

                Joel
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                • Originally posted by Joel View Post
                  ^The UCE500 Machismo I saw was being tested at chennai by Ucal and had twin spark. Maybe what i saw was a proto. I have pics
                  Joel
                  Not proto.... Its a much worse case. They are testing it for export purposes only. Have seen these guys plenty of time near my home, Besant Nagar etc. Every time I strike up a conversation, this is their answer.
                  Democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep meet to decide who is for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has a gun.

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                  • Originally posted by Aparajith View Post
                    Not proto.... Its a much worse case. They are testing it for export purposes only. Have seen these guys plenty of time near my home, Besant Nagar etc. Every time I strike up a conversation, this is their answer.
                    Actually the 500 will be available in India later this year or early next year. It has Kei hin FI. I had a short ride on a proto and it seemed pretty peppy except for the viberation. It is currently being tested for export to UK.

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                    • Originally posted by Rajkumar11 View Post
                      Actually the 500 will be available in India later this year or early next year. It has Kei hin FI. I had a short ride on a proto and it seemed pretty peppy except for the viberation. It is currently being tested for export to UK.
                      This actually is a good news Sir. Although am no BULL afficiando, this at least shows that the white collars at ROYAL ENFIELD are looking at the Indian market from at least the corner of their eyes!!!
                      Democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep meet to decide who is for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has a gun.

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                      • I hold a bachelor degree in Business Management. So whats the connection?Thats some serious, I mean dead serious interest levels, commitment, innovative thinking, money and patience.
                        I eat, walk, talk, sleep, dream engines.
                        ^hats-off mate !

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                        • @charles.chip...


                          Don't get him started on bajaj bikes man....

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                          • Originally posted by charles.chip
                            hey joel..... nice work der man...

                            i just bot a 220 dtsi, n wanted 2 tune it but after reading ur post watevr lil trust n hope i had wid d local "tuners" vanised in thin air.... i m new 2 biking altho i hav riden my neighbours R6 n R1 a numbr of times n all i want is pure performance....

                            i was wondering if u cud help me out wid My 220..... ever thot of tuning 220's engine?? its already reely fast n quick... i just wonder wat kinda beast u will make out of a vanilla 220 dtsi....

                            i stay in pune... n wen can we xpect d avaibility of ur mods 2 us ? d mango ppl ?

                            thanks
                            I'll tell you what you are about to hear from the gurus of tuning. The pulsar engine can not take heavy mods due to its weak internal parts. All you can do is mild tuning. Hell, I once shaved my 180's head to raise compression slightly and the engine blew out because of that.

                            If you can work out a mod then it will be great. Please let me know also.
                            The most you can safely do on a pulsar is shave the head, upjet, put free flow exhaust and intake.
                            However logic dictates that you be happy with the stock engine.
                            Last edited by Bibhu; 08-18-2009, 11:41 AM.
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                            • @Charles:
                              1. Pls post in proper lingo instead of SMS lingo, before the mods delete ur post.
                              2. The 220 engine is already at its max. Dont screw it further! It cant take anymore. U will be much happier with a stock Pulsar engine.
                              Democracy is when 2 wolves and a sheep meet to decide who is for dinner. Liberty is when the sheep has a gun.

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                              • hi

                                hw much did it cost
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