Yes please post a pic of osram bulb

Hey guys booked my black ZMR today. The waiting period is around 1 to 1.5 months out here in Bangalore. Eagerly looking forward for her ... :-)

Which showroom in Bangalore ?

Millennium Motors close to Domlur. I also had a chance to interact with a brand new ZMR (white colored) owner who was accepting the delivery. He told me that he had to wait for 2 months, quite surprising for me after going through the previous posts were people complained big time about the "extended" delays.

Congrats Neo

Congratulations Neo! Happy riding with the baby.

Gautam, Is it really nightbraker? It yes, it is a steal at 380 bucks. It used to be at 600 bucks. Waiting for your pics.

Sumer, The parking LED's looks damn cool. The HID is good.

Had a test drive of a black ZMR today for about 140 kms. An acquaintance of mine has it.

Impressions: The following is a small unbiased ride report from a hard revver who is more of a performance enthusiast (Me).

1. Did not like the speedo console. Its very weird.
2. The clip ons were looking weird & were pretty high like a commuter bike & was pretty comfortable. I somehow felt HH dint do justice by putting a full fairing on a bike with commuterish seating position. (Personal Opinion) But still anyday i prefer low clip-ons like R15 or P220.
3. The bike is heavier than P220 & the weight can be felt.
4. Suspension is pretty soft. I prefer hard suspension & hate bouncing bikes.
5. The bike was pretty smooth & vibe free till 6k rpm. The engine sound was weird & i dint like it. I was asked not to hit the rev-limiter.
6. Being used to the P220 FI's raw power the ZMR felt totally powerless to me. It also isnt a quick revver like R15 & P220 FI.
7. At speeds of about 80-90 kmph the power curve was linear & bike was pulling clean till 110 after which stress could be felt.
8. At speeds of 115-120 on the speedo the bike wasnt pulling eagerly with a single rider & was feeling stressed.
9. It has better roll on times than ZMA. Felt a bit better overall than ZMA to me.
10. The real time mileage thing went nuts i guess. Was showing crazy readings over an extremely WIDE range. Showed me readings from 2 to 40.
11. Tried a few knee downs & YES the chassis flexes & is scary at complete knee downs at over 100 kmph. P220 DTSi feels better probably due to better tyres.
12. Front brake is good (similar to P220) but not as sharp as R15. Rear disc sucks. P220 FI's rear disc is better.
13. Stoppies on it were easy but wheelies were difficult probably due to the bulky fairing.
14. The bike looked really fragile. One drop & the fairing would go for a toss. Would suggest ZMR owners to invest in frame sliders/crash bobbins if HH provides them.
15. Overall the bike was better than what i expected. It feels & runs better than zma. Would be a nice upgrade for HH/ZMA fans. It can cruise comfortably till 100 kmph for miles beyond which it would be too stressed. But is it worth the extra grands? Upto u people to decide. I dont think it is.

PS- PGM-FI is programmed FI & not programmable FI. There is nothing significant in that. Every FI is programmed. Its just a cool sounding name & a marketing gimmick.

I do not know with what eyes did you look, the clipons on ZMR have the best finishing and looks cool; of course, looks are subjective.


Hard suspension makes the bike bouncy.


This is really weird. You are the first person who said the ZMR's console is weird

May be HH plonked a 100 cc in the clothes of 223 cc engine.

You sounded like you are riding a Busa and took a test ride of Ninja 250.

The top speed is just 126, hence it will feel less powered at 110cc, and it is not stressed at that speed as you think.


Agree with you.



So, you say PGM-FI is market gimmick by Honda.

1st 2 points, i am....

PGMFI marketing gimmick? same as dtsi, oil cooled i guess

Thanks all.

I wasnt taking about the finish. I was talking about the design. Its not a sports design. Its commuterish like P135 which i dont like.

Well i intended something else. Probably i typed in wrong as was very sleepy last night. Iam not sure of which word to use.
The suspension setup is soft & bike travels up & down a lot to absorb the bumps. I guess u must have understood what iam trying to say. I somehow dont like soft setups & prefer stiff suspensions. But it does a good job of absorbing all the bumps. Good for the people with problems in the back or for relaxed tourers like you.

You yourself said that looks are subjective.
Frankly the digital tacho wasnt looking masculine at all. An analogue tachometer would have made it look kick@$$.

Lolz.. Heights of imagination..
Just ask any P220 FI rider to TD the ZMR. It doesnt have the characteristic rush of power of the FI although its 12 port injection whereas the P220 has only 4 port injection.

At 87.3% of the engine potential any engine would be stressed. Its just that Honda engines are engineered very well to be silent even at the red-line than their counterparts. Or may be 1 year with a zma & i still dont understand it properly.

Well i would say a YES for it. Just like the Oil cooled which isnt a great innovation afterall but sounds cool. But dtsi is the short form of the name of twin spark technology which bajaj had innovated. TVS & RE & few others are using the same tech now i guess.
Or if i could have the manufacturer's specification sheet to make my mouth shut. The FI system being a closed loop one is a bit advanced than the R15 or P220. It is supposed to alter the AFR by itself. I dont own the bike so couldnt test if the O2 sensor is working efficiently or not. However the ECU isnt that advanced that it can be re-programmed & supports custom fuel maps. U can only fiddle with the AFR.

u r dream has indedd come true

yes .. that's true

I have taken couple of snaps on my phone.. Not that clear.. Will upload them soon....

Sorry... Its not the nightbreaker... I typed it wrong.. The Nightbreaker is the Bulb which they listed to me at Rs.800... This one is the OSRAM Cool Blue..
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The Nightbreaker's DIM mode is not that bright and is yellowish.. I Wanted pure white light.. So went for Cool Blue.. Price Rs.450.. Thats why i got it for 380.. Not the 900 MRP Nightbreaker... Sorry...

They lit me both bulbs before buying.. I felt The nightbreakers BRIGHT mode was a more bright than the cool blue...
I googled through the net to find which among the whitelights are better..
And i found OSRAM coolblue is better than Philips Blue Vision which is better than Philips Vision Plus (Rs.550)..
So guess it wont be a bad purchase...
I just gave the bike for 1st service and gave the bulb to them for fitting..
The showroom guy said the the stock light will give more lighting than white light... hope he said that just because he is unaware of these bulbs....
Hoping it gives me better lighting...
I'll let you know how it is tonight..

Hahaha.... +200 for that...
God.. Those comments were insane and well replied...

In our gang, there are 4 p220 owners... and 3 of them are 220 DTSi owners which has 2 more xtra horses than FI and handles much better too.. and all of them purely agreed that its only on Power front that the 220 can beat the ZMR.. and the ZMR scores everywhere else... ( im not sayin this to start off a heated debate or anythin... just tellin what we discussed ).. The handling and ride comfy of the 220 at High speeds, esp bumpy corners, are definitely not as good as ZMR or ZMA... And the bike kinda gives a wobbly feeling at high speeds and doesnt inspire confidence at all.. I am talking about the FI Version here.. the 220 Dtsi is rock solid on highways ( plain Straight highways..) at speeds excess of 100kph..Even they said after riding ZMR, small bumps n pits on the highways feel like giving them a real shiver down their spine on the 220 compared to the ZMR..
R15 is an entirely different proposition though.!!
and ya, the rear disc aint that awesome as i thought it would be..!! Agreed on that too..!!

and a +500 for " You sounded like you are riding a Busa and took a test ride of Ninja 250. " ...
Haha.. it could not have been answered better..!!

Twin spark bajaj has innovated

Well....Digital twin Spark system
was first used in Alpha Romeo V6 which was now copied in Bajaj Automobiles

Also, see this...


Experts unsure of hype on twin-spark technology