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**nagthemissile** · 06-12-2011, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

gulf pride 4t plus 20w40 is semi synthetic.

GULF PRIDE 4T PLUS 20W40(BLACK BOTTLE) is 100% mineral oil,not a semisynthetic oil.

**Pinaki** · 06-12-2011, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post

That was a nice review and very informative.Motul is available in yamaha SC right? do they have the plus version or the normal one any idea ?

No , yahama SC sells it (relabeled) as yamalube ( but the sales guy wouldn't spell it out ) , but it's motul manufactured alright

. But it is of a different API & JASO rating & was priced 20bucks more . I was using the yamalube 20w40 mineral API SL , Jaso MA while the motul 30004t plus is rated API SM and jaso MA2 . Maybe the non-plus motul variant or maybe special order ... I dunno for sure . Performance-wise .. just as good . See my post here in engine oils thread for pics ..... http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/629271-post3663.html

Originally posted by nagthemissile View Post

GULF PRIDE 4T PLUS 20W40(BLACK BOTTLE) is 100% mineral oil,not a semisynthetic oil.

You are right I think .. it's mineral only . Also Synthetic blend .. with synthetic technology ... Technosynthetic .. etc etc are just play of words by the marketing boys , @ 200bucks ...ignore it

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**nagthemissile** · 06-12-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post

I am using gulf 20W 40 the smoothness you get from this oil is comparable to 300V and i really like this oil

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You all know about my bike losing compression cause of the valve seal giving up.....a local mech says if the valve stems are gone then the piston rings too would be damaged

is this true?

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

To judge two oils you have use them in the same engine one after the other for two changes each under similar riding conditions . I have used both of these two like that only on my 4year old yamaha crux . I wasn't out there to test oils , I just had to fill fresh oil at 2000kms max .. .. and these were readily present at that shop then . They are both super performing oils in mineral in this grade , compared to the HP racer4 I had used just before on the crux . Difference is very subtle ( could be even just in my mind

) . The gulf 20w40 is smoother (for gearshifts and overall) throughout it's life but it becomes spent ( again by my gut feeling of the engine ) around 1700kms summer heat & stop-n-go riding . The motul is just a bit less smoothy feeling but a bit cooler ( it's a bit thicker to pour ) and keeps the same good engine feel untill about 2000kms . Take your pick , I am finicky old guy ,I doubt you'll even notice any difference

.Remember that motul 3000 4t & motul 30004t plus are different oils ( both in 20w40 though ) and I have only tried the plus .

Thank you guyz for the nice reviews...

@pinaki(it is also a missile similar to nag in indian army

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1)WHich motul mineral you have used motul 3000 4t or motul 3000 4t plus and what is its price?

2)both the observations are in summer,right?

3) given a chance what you will pick?

**Pinaki** · 06-12-2011, 06:45 PM

Yes kinda .. the shiva's missile .. his trident is named pinak

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1) motul 3000 4t plus .. 200 Rs .. 1 lit . Gulf 20w40 is same .
2) summer & monsoon mainly .
3) any , there is a scratch card discount on the gulf last I checked at the shop so I'd take that

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**nagthemissile** · 06-12-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

Yes kinda .. the shiva's missile .. his trident is named pinak

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1) motul 3000 4t plus .. 200 Rs .. 1 lit . Gulf 20w40 is same .
2) summer & monsoon mainly .
3) any , there is a scratch card discount on the gulf last I checked at the shop so I'd take that

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Thank you trident aka PINAKI

will try both......

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 06-12-2011, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by nagthemissile View Post

GULF PRIDE 4T PLUS 20W40(BLACK BOTTLE) is 100% mineral oil,not a semisynthetic oil.

Oops,Sorry

Where is it written as mineral?

**nagthemissile** · 06-12-2011, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Oops,Sorry

Where is it written as mineral?

shoot a mail to gulf India and will get reply as mineral oil

or search in Suzuki gsr thread(one member did mailed and got confirmation as mineral oil)

**psr** · 06-12-2011, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post

The power is good i dont feel like anything is wrong in my bike....no smoke nothing but this mech really scared me

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See...what I told you is clear now...If they don't scare you, they can't keep you in their grip...

lol so true...once i asked this same mech to clean the centrifuge filter and he refused saying opening that will change the timing

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The centrifugal filter is on the clutch side and rotates with the engine at high RPM and filters by centrifugal action...

also can you please throw some light on oil consumption in cbz xtreme? if i pour 900ml and drive it for say 1500kms the oil level should not change right? or is it normal for the engine to consume 100-200ml of oil ? the reason i ask is i am gonna measure the oil when i drain it next time

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If you use useless HH 10w30 there will be consumption of 100 to 300 ml depending on your driving style....I am using Gulf pride 20w40 and after nearly 1,000Kms there is no drop so far...

One more question...should i clean the centrifuge filter after this valve stem incident(the top portion of the piston was all black) just to be safe?
.Not neccessary.....if you had completed more than 35 K Kms then you can do it.
will wait for your reply .

replies in bold.

**akatl** · 06-12-2011, 08:39 PM

difference between 10w30 and 10w40 and 20w40 grade oils

what are the difference between 10w30 and 10w40 and 20w40 grade oils
in power, performance, mileage, smoothness, vibration, engine protection and engine cooling?

**sooraj_vs** · 06-12-2011, 08:46 PM

Hell lot of discussions over engine oil..Are you guys having SemiSynth Oil for breakfast, lunch and dinner..??

(Kidding)

Did a highway trip today. Just 90kms @ 70+/-5 kmph mostly. Vibrations are creeping in at 65-75 (esp. through the foot peg) but smoothens out above 80.

Mileage over the last 250 kms - 43.33
Noticeable improvement from previous 39 (Before 1st service)

**sarbanoxley** · 06-13-2011, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

No , yahama SC sells it (relabeled) as yamalube ( but the sales guy wouldn't spell it out ) , but it's motul manufactured alright

. But it is of a different API & JASO rating & was priced 20bucks more . I was using the yamalube 20w40 mineral API SL , Jaso MA while the motul 30004t plus is rated API SM and jaso MA2 . Maybe the non-plus motul variant or maybe special order ... I dunno for sure . Performance-wise .. just as good . See my post here in engine oils thread for pics ..... http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/629271-post3663.html

Ok so both are same....i have one more can of gulf 20w 40 will use this for the next oil change thereafter will change to yamalube

Originally posted by psr View Post

replies in bold.

i only go to this mech for small jobs like changing oil etc the problem is i cant find any good mech here

.....where you get your bike serviced in chennai? do you know any good mechanic in the city ?

also i cleaned the CF filter at 20000kms only so will wait for some more kms to clean it

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**Aneesh@4GHz** · 06-13-2011, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by nagthemissile View Post

shoot a mail to gulf India and will get reply as mineral oil

or search in Suzuki gsr thread(one member did mailed and got confirmation as mineral oil)

Wow,thats great,thanks bro. I am absent in GSR thread.

Originally posted by akatl View Post

what are the difference between 10w30 and 10w40 and 20w40 grade oils
in power, performance, mileage, smoothness, vibration, engine protection and engine cooling?

10W30 oil is thinner than 20W40 oil.performance will be good for both 10W30 and 20W40 oils.may be a slight difference ,its unnoticeable.Vibration will be high in 10W30 oil.vibration will be less in 20W40 oil. Smoothness,engine protection and cooling will be high in 20W40 oil.

Which is your bike?

Originally posted by sooraj_vs View Post

Hell lot of discussions over engine oil..Are you guys having SemiSynth Oil for breakfast, lunch and dinner..??

(Kidding)

I had Minerals.

Did a highway trip today. Just 90kms @ 70+/-5 kmph mostly. Vibrations are creeping in at 65-75 (esp. through the foot peg) but smoothens out above 80.

Mileage over the last 250 kms - 43.33
Noticeable improvement from previous 39 (Before 1st service)

That seems to be a good mileage.

**Sumondatta** · 06-13-2011, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Wow,thats great,thanks bro. I am absent in GSR thread.

10W30 oil is thinner than 20W40 oil.performance will be good for both 10W30 and 20W40 oils.may be a slight difference ,its unnoticeable.Vibration will be high in 10W30 oil.vibration will be less in 20W40 oil. Smoothness,engine protection and cooling will be high in 20W40 oil.

Which is your bike?

I had Minerals.

That seems to be a good mileage.

I think you are wrong by small margin.

less viscosity = less friction = thus easy movement of parts in engine = better cooling = wide brand smoothness = less vibration in 10W30 for beng a thinner oil.

I wouldn't recommend to use 10W30 oil for bike that is under 1000KM.

**Mzee_Maverik** · 06-13-2011, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Sumondatta View Post

I think you are wrong by small margin.

less viscosity = less friction = thus easy movement of parts in engine = better cooling = wide brand smoothness = less vibration in 10W30 for beng a thinner oil.

I wouldn't recommend to use 10W30 oil for bike that is under 1000KM.

bro less viscosity = more friction and uneasy movement of parts.
if it would less viscosity = less friction then whats the need of engine oil????

actually oil sticks to the walls of moving parts results in better siding over one another so the friction is less.
regarding better cooling thick oil heats up slowly and loose their viscosity less than thin oil so they provides better lubrication even in heated atmosphere thus improving engine life.

**Sumondatta** · 06-13-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Mzee_Maverik View Post

bro less viscosity = more friction and uneasy movement of parts.
if it would less viscosity = less friction then whats the need of engine oil????

actually oil sticks to the walls of moving parts results in better siding over one another so the friction is less.
regarding better cooling thick oil heats up slowly and loose their viscosity less than thin oil so they provides better lubrication even in heated atmosphere thus improving engine life.

shait....

busted.

I was just poking him....

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