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Is it okay to buy a 2013 Duke 200 with just 3000 km? The owner stays abroad and the bike has not been used.
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Hello Sanjay. If the bike has been sitting idle for eleven months, yet the bike hasn't been cranked for all these months, it's advisable to replace the engine oil and carry out general maintenance procedure. The fact that your little Duke cranked in the first go is a sign that she's how's she's supposed to be. Start off with replacing the engine oil, oil filter and what not. Check your battery health, if the charge is on the lower side, charging it would mean it doesn't lose its life.Originally posted by sanjay.rajan500 View PostHello guys..i wanted some advise regarding changing engine oil..my d200 was sitting idle for past 11 months. The tank was half filled with petrol during all this time. The bike had no trouble starting up. Actually it started on the first go itself. But am skeptical abt the engine oil. I stay in kerala, pretty humid. Bike was kept in an open environment under shed. The last time i changed the engine oil was 1.5 yrs ago and the bike havent run more than 1500km i guess after the oil change. There is no visible colour change in the engine oil also, pretty much same old colour. Please guide whether i should change the engine oil. In addition should i change oil filter,air filter or anything??
Thanks.
General protocol
1. Clean your spark plug
2. Replace engine oil along with oil filter
3. Draining the old fuel and filling the tank with fresh fuel. Fuel leaves residue and can gum up given the circumstances.
4. Check your tire pressure and make sure the pressure is set right
5. Check your brakes for proper bite and feedback. If you feel it's spongy, replace the brake fluid. Brake fluids are hygroscopic. I'd recommend you to replace the brake fluid.
6. Last but not the least and very important
THE RADIATOR
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Make sure every ounce of the radiator fluid is drained, the radiator flushed WELL to make sure all the old fluid comes out. Flush it twice or three to make sure there are no old fluid traces and then top it up with fresh radiator fluid. Make sure the radiator system is bled well.
And you're all set to go. All these shouldn't take more than an hour to two when done at SVC.
If possible, do remove the wheels grease your wheel bearings and steering stem bearings.
That's all there is to it.
Cheers!
VJ
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Yes, please go ahead and do the following:Originally posted by sanjay.rajan500 View PostHello guys..i wanted some advise regarding changing engine oil..my d200 was sitting idle for past 11 months. The tank was half filled with petrol during all this time. The bike had no trouble starting up. Actually it started on the first go itself. But am skeptical abt the engine oil. I stay in kerala, pretty humid. Bike was kept in an open environment under shed. The last time i changed the engine oil was 1.5 yrs ago and the bike havent run more than 1500km i guess after the oil change. There is no visible colour change in the engine oil also, pretty much same old colour. Please guide whether i should change the engine oil. In addition should i change oil filter,air filter or anything??
Thanks.
1. Drain the fuel tank and fill in fresh fuel
2. Change the engine oil
3. Change all filters.. air, oil, fuel (air filter might not be required, but the other two definitely)
4. Maybe drain, fill and bleed the brake fluid as well.
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Hello guys..i wanted some advise regarding changing engine oil..my d200 was sitting idle for past 11 months. The tank was half filled with petrol during all this time. The bike had no trouble starting up. Actually it started on the first go itself. But am skeptical abt the engine oil. I stay in kerala, pretty humid. Bike was kept in an open environment under shed. The last time i changed the engine oil was 1.5 yrs ago and the bike havent run more than 1500km i guess after the oil change. There is no visible colour change in the engine oil also, pretty much same old colour. Please guide whether i should change the engine oil. In addition should i change oil filter,air filter or anything??
Thanks.
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I remember you once asked me about the front sprocket on the p220/d200, and i gave you the info.Originally posted by ashwinprakas View PostI see a wanton distaste for Indian manufactured components, and then I see people lamenting why the country fails to see greatness.
Anyhow sticking to motorcycles, the KTM's do not face any QC concerns as such, the reason the consumables give away frequently is due to the state of tune of the motor and nothing else.
just came across your recent post on tbhp (https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor...ml#post4485213)
Pl note that the front sprocket of the D200 (Which is same as the P220/avenger 220) is not interchangeable with the 390. It's not just the no. of teeth, but the actual spline design is different and it probably won't go on properly.. unfortunate but true.
The d250 and d390 seem to share the same design but with different no. of teeth and could be interchangeable.
Do update that post lest someone ends up wasting their money on this sprocket and realize it doesn't fit on.
You can check out the differences on Jtsprockets:
JT Sprockets: Catalogue
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Got a new battery today - Amaron APBTZ9 for Rs.1750 (Mrp.2153) with exchange of the old battery.Originally posted by s1d View PostSo the battery on my D200 finally gave up today. Had to push start it.
I know this was coming and waited for it to totally give up.. this was the stock battery. 4yrs 1month old.
So what we have to understand from this is that even if there is no 'low battery warning' the battery might still be out.. the low battery warning usually comes on when the battery voltage is below 10.5V , but it's not just the voltage that is important, what is more important is it's ability to supply enough current during a start (Cranking amps).. so clearly it did not have enough juice (Amps) to crank the engine even though the voltage was 'ok' at times.
Checked the voltages and everything was fine.
The stock exide battery had a label on it that specified the "charging date" - mine was dated 22/09/2014. I bought the bike on Oct 14th,2014. So maybe those buying new bike can check this date also to make sure its recent.
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This is why I say to "read or re-read my post" in order for better comprehension. Come on Sid, I expected better from you, not this, you too Brutus! Gosh! I'd only make a dweeb of myself commenting on such amok comprehension.Originally posted by s1d View Postbut a chance to ruin the rr or coil ? man, you first say nothing will be fried and then contradict your statements and confuse people like me who understand simple English.
when i said 'fried' i used it in the sense people use to refer to failure in electrical/electronic components.
there are other electronics on the bike that could/might have behaved erratically or caused issues too due to a bad battery.
i just penned my experience knowing what i was getting into, just to experiment and see how it goes.
No one is contradicting oneself, it's just you contradicting yourself. You understood that I've "mentioned it as a chance" then you come along saying simple English and what not. What are you trying to say? If you've understood, very well.but a chance to ruin the rr or coil ? man when i said 'fried' i used it in the sense people use to refer to failure in electrical/electronic components.
there are other electronics on the bike that could/might have behaved erratically or caused issues too due to a bad battery.
i just penned my experience knowing what i was getting into, just to experiment and see how it goes.
See, I'd definitely like to know your experiments, your ownership and what not. Please don't get into silly pointless arguments that spoil the nature of an ownership thread. We have enough already, and I definitely don't want you to be, just one of them.
Cheers!
VJ
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but a chance to ruin the rr or coil ? man, you first say nothing will be fried and then contradict your statements and confuse people like me who understand simple English.Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View PostYou won't fry anything per se, but you can probably ruin your RR with extra load that it goes through charging a downed battery. Running a bike that constantly requires its voltage from battery for the electronics to work would mean the stator and the RR have to work harder to make sure it provides the juice to the battery which in turn would heat up things and voila you have a shorted stator or a bust RR. Though usually RR doesn't give up easily, it's the stator that's in for a royal burial. After installation check the voltage across terminals with the new battery.
when i said 'fried' i used it in the sense people use to refer to failure in electrical/electronic components.
there are other electronics on the bike that could/might have behaved erratically or caused issues too due to a bad battery.
i just penned my experience knowing what i was getting into, just to experiment and see how it goes.
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You won't fry anything per se, but you can probably ruin your RR with extra load that it goes through charging a downed battery. Running a bike that constantly requires its voltage from battery for the electronics to work would mean the stator and the RR have to work harder to make sure it provides the juice to the battery which in turn would heat up things and voila you have a shorted stator or a bust RR. Though usually RR doesn't give up easily, it's the stator that's in for a royal burial. After installation check the voltage across terminals with the new battery.Originally posted by s1d View PostSo the battery on my D200 finally gave up today. Had to push start it.
I know this was coming and waited for it to totally give up.. this was the stock battery. 4yrs 1month old.
So this was what happened..
Last year (2017)around December, saw the low batt warning during a service and tested it at svc and the tester showed a 'replace' warning. I let it be and rode the bike and the warning went off and everything was fine until around Aug this yr.. then the bike usage reduced and it used sit unused for a 15-20 days at a time. And used to pop up the low battery warning, but would fire up and riding for a few km made it ok. This would repeat over the periods of non usage the past 3 months.
Yesterday I took it out after two weeks of non usage and it did not show any warning and I rode around 130km.
Today again went out on a ride (Started just fine early morning, even stopped and refueled and proceeded) , then stopped to meet up fellow riders.. The bike wouldn't fire up !
Flipped the key to ON ,the console briefly went off with the JG warning.. turning it off and back on, the console lights up.. no low battery warning.
Doesn't fire up on pressing the starter - no cranking also. All this while no warning on the console for the low battery. Horn, indicators work fine, fuel pump primes, no blown fuse.
Finally decide to push start it.. fires up. We ride for around 60 km, have our breakfast/tea etc.. and again it wouldn't fire up-no cranking-no warning. tried a few times, momentarily low batt pops up. Again push start it, and return home.
Unfortunately sunday no shops open.. will have to wait till tomorrow to get it replaced.
So what we have to understand from this is that even if there is no 'low battery warning' the battery might still be out.. the low battery warning usually comes on when the battery voltage is below 10.5V , but it's not just the voltage that is important, what is more important is it's ability to supply enough current during a start (Cranking amps).. so clearly it did not have enough juice (Amps) to crank the engine even though the voltage was 'ok' at times.
4yrs out of a battery is good imo, though i would suggest one replace it around 3-3.5 yrs especially if you see the low voltage warning lest you get stranded later on. I pushed and waited for it to fail and see what happens & I hope I haven't fried other components like the coil or rr unit
Nevertheless, we have a replacement from both Amaron and Exide, do keep your replacement reviews posted.
Cheers!
VJ
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So the battery on my D200 finally gave up today. Had to push start it.
I know this was coming and waited for it to totally give up.. this was the stock battery. 4yrs 1month old.
So this was what happened..
Last year (2017)around December, saw the low batt warning during a service and tested it at svc and the tester showed a 'replace' warning. I let it be and rode the bike and the warning went off and everything was fine until around Aug this yr.. then the bike usage reduced and it used sit unused for a 15-20 days at a time. And used to pop up the low battery warning, but would fire up and riding for a few km made it ok. This would repeat over the periods of non usage the past 3 months.
Yesterday I took it out after two weeks of non usage and it did not show any warning and I rode around 130km.
Today again went out on a ride (Started just fine early morning, even stopped and refueled and proceeded) , then stopped to meet up fellow riders.. The bike wouldn't fire up !
Flipped the key to ON ,the console briefly went off with the JG warning.. turning it off and back on, the console lights up.. no low battery warning.
Doesn't fire up on pressing the starter - no cranking also. All this while no warning on the console for the low battery. Horn, indicators work fine, fuel pump primes, no blown fuse.
Finally decide to push start it.. fires up. We ride for around 60 km, have our breakfast/tea etc.. and again it wouldn't fire up-no cranking-no warning. tried a few times, momentarily low batt pops up. Again push start it, and return home.
Unfortunately sunday no shops open.. will have to wait till tomorrow to get it replaced.
So what we have to understand from this is that even if there is no 'low battery warning' the battery might still be out.. the low battery warning usually comes on when the battery voltage is below 10.5V , but it's not just the voltage that is important, what is more important is it's ability to supply enough current during a start (Cranking amps).. so clearly it did not have enough juice (Amps) to crank the engine even though the voltage was 'ok' at times.
4yrs out of a battery is good imo, though i would suggest one replace it around 3-3.5 yrs especially if you see the low voltage warning lest you get stranded later on. I pushed and waited for it to fail and see what happens & I hope I haven't fried other components like the coil or rr unit
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Absolutely true [emoji106][emoji106]Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View PostI'm really sorry to drag on this post, and I don't mean to offend anyone. But I think, most people these days with half-baked theoretical knowledge removing a few links of the chain and adding a capacitor here and there think they've mastered it all, which I think is detrimental to one's own ego. Having insight into what you own is different rather than having hearsay and wordsay knowledge and then comparing it with the rest is a habit won't yield proper knowledge, even though one has stripped every tom dick and harry engines.
Take it easy! Learn from others, it will do good rather than misguiding.
You can continue on with your "notion" but irrelevant posts will be deleted henceforth.
Ride safe! Keep learning!
Cheers
VJ
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I'm really sorry to drag on this post, and I don't mean to offend anyone. But I think, most people these days with half-baked theoretical knowledge removing a few links of the chain and adding a capacitor here and there think they've mastered it all, which I think is detrimental to one's own ego. Having insight into what you own is different rather than having hearsay and wordsay knowledge and then comparing it with the rest is a habit won't yield proper knowledge, even though one has stripped every tom dick and harry engines.Originally posted by ashwinprakas View PostSirji, to understand certain things you need to get your hands dirty, no other way about it because there is a limit to what you can learn from the internet.
The reason you absolutely fail to see my point is because you've not opened up different motorcycles from different manufacturers, once you do so you'll realize what I'm getting at. Until then do go with what notion sets your heart at ease.
Peace Out!
A.P.
Take it easy! Learn from others, it will do good rather than misguiding.
You can continue on with your "notion" but irrelevant posts will be deleted henceforth.
Ride safe! Keep learning!
Cheers
VJ
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Sirji, to understand certain things you need to get your hands dirty, no other way about it because there is a limit to what you can learn from the internet.Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View PostDear Ashwin, sometimes your posts confuse me so bad that I go dumbfound at times whether to answer or not to answer, it's hard to link to any of it.
Well, let me reiterate this, an apples to oranges comparison isn't the right way to measure a product or a component's effectiveness nor it's state of tune. What we're talking about here is general component life and overall product quality. Well, after all it's hard to make everyone understand what's what, and a tune or design is more what meets the eye, i.e. Compression Ratio, CC and the likes. Perhaps sometime later.
Cheers!
VJ
The reason you absolutely fail to see my point is because you've not opened up different motorcycles from different manufacturers, once you do so you'll realize what I'm getting at. Until then do go with what notion sets your heart at ease.
Peace Out!
A.P.
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Originally posted by ashwinprakas View PostWell this is a 'Well' we certainly should not peep into, reason being this conundrum has been going on ever since the second motorcycle came into production.
At the end of the day a seal is seal and most probably manufactured by the same supplier and if it lasts more on one motorcycle compared to another then I doubt we should bluntly blame QC, as the same goes for tires, them being consumables as well, a pair of tires may last 10k on the KTM's where as the same would last twice as much on the Honda's, doesn't mean that the KTM's follow inferior QC norms, it's just a result of the state of tune which again as you've mentioned is Engineering, a look at the CR is the best indicator of state of tune.
Hence why a KTM 250 with a CR of 12.5:1 would have components wear down considerably sooner than a Honda 250 with a CR of 10.7:1, now a Kawasaki 250 with a CR of 11.6:1 would have better component life than both the aforementioned motorcycles but when you look close its because of the twin cylinder configuration putting two 125cc cylinders at 11.6:1 configuration translating to even distribution of load on internals plus considerably lesser blow translating to lesser internal crankcase pressure resulting to considerably longer seal life.
Dear Ashwin, sometimes your posts confuse me so bad that I go dumbfound at times whether to answer or not to answer, it's hard to link to any of it.
Well, let me reiterate this, an apples to oranges comparison isn't the right way to measure a product or a component's effectiveness nor it's state of tune. What we're talking about here is general component life and overall product quality. Well, after all it's hard to make everyone understand what's what, and a tune or design is more what meets the eye, i.e. Compression Ratio, CC and the likes. Perhaps sometime later.
Cheers!
VJ
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Agree, less informed and misinformed. People expect and compare 'reliability' with a fill it shut it commuter segment motorcycle.Originally posted by ashwinprakas View PostNow the less informed would say that the KTM is the least reliable option but knowing the facts like any economical question the answer would be, "It Depends!"
And what it depends upon is the owners priority.
Just saying, cause even the alloys cracking/bending is in fact attributed to improper use rather than component quality.
a lot of 'issues' are downright to the owners fault or lack of proper maintenance.. sometimes it ends up like a garland in a monkeys hand
if only folks would educate themselves about their motorcycles from a good source like a service manual and use basic common sense, will a lot of whining reduce. and many service centers really don't bother to do a good job, further causing bad experiences to the owners.
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