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  • Originally posted by NikhilB View Post
    From what I understand, during the initial seconds a diagnostic self-check is performed (it is very similar in cars).
    Worst case, the test would've been interrupted.
    In short, my vote goes to over-obsession
    Hehe I feel so much better now!!!
    Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure.

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    • Originally posted by Doga View Post
      No. The 200NS is a carbed bike right?
      Ya , it is, but I was asking whether there is similar tool for other bikes, where all the sensors and functions are checked to see whether they are working correctly.
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      • Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
        Ya , it is, but I was asking whether there is similar tool for other bikes, where all the sensors and functions are checked to see whether they are working correctly.
        I don't think so.
        Infact the tool that Bajaj uses has,on startup, mode options for the KTM duke, the Ninja 250 ,Ninja 650 and the Pulsar 220 Fi(which is discontinued now).
        The tester selects one of the options depending on the bike he wants to diagnose.I don't think there is any such tool for the 200NS.
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        My Touring Logs-
        French Riviera
        https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/38345-biking-french-riviera.html
        Scotland-
        http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...-3600-kms.html
        France -Normandy and Paris on the CBR
        http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...adventure.html
        KTM chronicles-
        http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...hronicles.html

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        • Originally posted by Doga View Post
          I don't think so.
          Infact the tool that Bajaj uses has,on startup, mode options for the KTM duke, the Ninja 250 ,Ninja 650 and the Pulsar 220 Fi(which is discontinued now).
          The tester selects one of the options depending on the bike he wants to diagnose.I don't think there is any such tool for the 200NS.
          Hmmn, looks like the tool is only for F.I, bikes. Anyways thanks buddy,
          happy biking
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          • Originally posted by Doga View Post
            The disc spec ambiguity was something I reported first in this forum sometime back. The actual spec is 280 mm.IT looks smaller than the Ninja front disc if you compare(which is 296 mm). compression ratio is 11.3 but I am not too sure on this.Will check.
            Btw the manual lists wrong tyre pressures too
            what about the fuel ? please check ktm india website

            Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
            Ya , it is, but I was asking whether there is similar tool for other bikes, where all the sensors and functions are checked to see whether they are working correctly.
            the digital diagnostics are only run for fuel injected engines ..

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            • about igniting when the engine check up hasn't gone off, I already experienced it..
              when I was riding the duke, the gear position was in 2, and than I shut off the gas to enter a corner and suddenly the engine gone off by itself..
              so my reflex is to hit the engine starter again (without waiting the engine check light to go off)..
              this happen for about 4 times in a single run
              anyone experienced this?

              Originally posted by Doga View Post
              That may be some coolant overflowing becuase of the collant level being near/above the max level. Also a bit of it might come out of the O ring black cap at the front of the tank if the screwing threads are a bit worn(happened with me).
              thank you for the info

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              • Originally posted by stanley17 View Post
                about igniting when the engine check up hasn't gone off, I already experienced it..
                when I was riding the duke, the gear position was in 2, and than I shut off the gas to enter a corner and suddenly the engine gone off by itself..
                so my reflex is to hit the engine starter again (without waiting the engine check light to go off)..
                this happen for about 4 times in a single run
                By your description, sounds like fuel was cut off on closing the throttle.

                Was your speed too low for 2nd gear? (The bike will then shut itself off instead of knocking)
                If that's not the case, i'd check fuel quality.
                If fuel is clean and this happens repeatedly, i'd show it to the service centre.

                PS: Don't remember anyone mentioning such an issue.
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                • Originally posted by NikhilB View Post
                  By your description, sounds like fuel was cut off on closing the throttle.

                  Was your speed too low for 2nd gear? (The bike will then shut itself off instead of knocking)
                  If that's not the case, i'd check fuel quality.
                  If fuel is clean and this happens repeatedly, i'd show it to the service centre.

                  PS: Don't remember anyone mentioning such an issue.
                  the first thing I think about is if the throttle setting was too low
                  but then, in neutral position the bike idling at 3k so I think it's enough

                  nope, I got enough speed for the second gear..
                  I'll stick to the dirty fuel status, regarding the bike is new ( under 24 hours in my hand ) maybe the dealer left a bit of fuel with the potential of getting dirty when they store it..

                  Thank you mate

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                  • Originally posted by stanley17 View Post
                    the first thing I think about is if the throttle setting was too low
                    but then, in neutral position the bike idling at 3k so I think it's enough

                    nope, I got enough speed for the second gear..
                    I'll stick to the dirty fuel status, regarding the bike is new ( under 24 hours in my hand ) maybe the dealer left a bit of fuel with the potential of getting dirty when they store it..

                    Thank you mate
                    The bike stalling issue has happened only a few times. may twice or thrice. And every time because the rpms were too low for that particular gear. This normally happens when I am too busy negotiating traffic, potholes and what not in 2nd especially and I dont notice the rpms going low. Also becuase the helmet suppress the distinct lugging sound of the engine.

                    Engine not starting after pressing the engine kill switch ata signal was never there in my bike but of late has noticed it happen 2-3 times.The solution is what others had suggested. Turn the key to off position and then turn it to on again and it works.

                    PS : yesterday had to ride back to home from office in heavy rains. I noticed the rather annoying khat khat sound coming from the front(console?) which people had reported in the beginning of this thread.
                    This was never there before. WHat remedial actions have guys taken for this? Svc did anything for it?
                    Also My rear seat came off when I hit a rather large pothole
                    I Had to stop and plonk it back agian. Now if it was not correctly secured at the beginning of the ride is something I know not
                    The hero always RIDES into the sunset!

                    My Touring Logs-
                    French Riviera
                    https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/38345-biking-french-riviera.html
                    Scotland-
                    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...-3600-kms.html
                    France -Normandy and Paris on the CBR
                    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...adventure.html
                    KTM chronicles-
                    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...hronicles.html

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                    • Originally posted by Doga View Post
                      The bike stalling issue has happened only a few times. may twice or thrice. And every time because the rpms were too low for that particular gear. This normally happens when I am too busy negotiating traffic, potholes and what not in 2nd especially and I dont notice the rpms going low. Also becuase the helmet suppress the distinct lugging sound of the engine.

                      Engine not starting after pressing the engine kill switch ata signal was never there in my bike but of late has noticed it happen 2-3 times.The solution is what others had suggested. Turn the key to off position and then turn it to on again and it works.

                      PS : yesterday had to ride back to home from office in heavy rains. I noticed the rather annoying khat khat sound coming from the front(console?) which people had reported in the beginning of this thread.
                      This was never there before. WHat remedial actions have guys taken for this? Svc did anything for it?
                      Also My rear seat came off when I hit a rather large pothole
                      I Had to stop and plonk it back agian. Now if it was not correctly secured at the beginning of the ride is something I know not
                      thank you for the input on my stalling issue
                      I'll watch the rpm more careful..

                      is it the first time you ride in rain?
                      is the sound still appear now?
                      there's a possibility that dirt and road debris got on to your disc brake, solution is simple, clean your disc..
                      maybe that's the problem

                      the rear seat came off would be surprising when riding peacefully

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                      • Originally posted by Doga View Post
                        Engine not starting after pressing the engine kill switch ata signal was never there in my bike but of late has noticed it happen 2-3 times.The solution is what others had suggested. Turn the key to off position and then turn it to on again and it works.
                        I have had this problem many times too. I think i got it figured.
                        There is a sensor on the clutch lever. If the bike is not in neutral, this sensor is used to make sure that clutch is pulled in and bike can be started safely.
                        The bike will be definitely in some gear after a stall. I think this sensor is not working properly all the time, so on pressing start, ecu thinks bike is in gear and clutch is not pulled in, hence it does not start.

                        The solution is put the bike in neutral and start. I am not 100% sure this is the issue though. But putting in neutral and starting has always worked for me when the bike refused to start in gear with clutch pulled in.

                        The below link is about similar problem on a duke 690.
                        [KTM 690 Duke '08] - Clutch lever sensor/switch - ADVrider
                        Last edited by sonu611; 07-12-2012, 11:14 PM. Reason: adding link

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                        • Originally posted by stanley17 View Post
                          thank you for the input on my stalling issue
                          I'll watch the rpm more careful..

                          is it the first time you ride in rain?
                          is the sound still appear now?
                          there's a possibility that dirt and road debris got on to your disc brake, solution is simple, clean your disc..
                          maybe that's the problem

                          the rear seat came off would be surprising when riding peacefully
                          No No. The sound is something bouncing and hitting inside the frame when the bike goes over potholes. If it was a faired bike I would have presumed the fairing is loose.. but
                          The hero always RIDES into the sunset!

                          My Touring Logs-
                          French Riviera
                          https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/38345-biking-french-riviera.html
                          Scotland-
                          http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...-3600-kms.html
                          France -Normandy and Paris on the CBR
                          http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...adventure.html
                          KTM chronicles-
                          http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...hronicles.html

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                          • Originally posted by Doga View Post
                            No No. The sound is something bouncing and hitting inside the frame when the bike goes over potholes. If it was a faired bike I would have presumed the fairing is loose.. but
                            From the front or the back?

                            In my case it turned out to be the toolkit under the back seat. Tightened things up by wrapping it tightly and making sure it was firmly attached to the underside of the seat cover.

                            Also the seat coming off by itself does not seem feasible. Once properly attached, it fixes in a pretty solid manner. Though I have found water inside the seat after rains or washing on more than one occasion, but that must be from the tiny gap left even after properly attaching it.

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                            • Originally posted by devil_rider View Post
                              ...........

                              EDIT: BTW What is COCO?
                              COCO is Company Owned and Company Operated. That means it's a direct outlet from company and the fear of fuel adulterations are almost zero.

                              Originally posted by sunilyo View Post
                              Just curious. Can 3 adults sit on the duke? Just in case there might be situations to do triply.
                              They can sit only if they strictly follow the GM diet(or anything similar) . However, they can't ride the bike for sure(unless you think the Bike riding in old TVS star city/sport TV ad is a normal bike ride).

                              Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
                              Is that applicable for 200NS as well??
                              Nope, coz it's only for bikes fitted with ECU. ECU stores every diagnostic data of the vehicle, so they just use this diagnostic tool to read the data and identify the fault.

                              Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
                              got some doubts dukers ...
                              the front disc is mentioned as 300mm in ktm india website but the same front disc is mentioned as 280mm in the catalog ..
                              it is clearly mentioned in the website that duke200 must be fed with RON95 petrol only .. i think u guys are facing these hiccups for using regular petrol ..
                              the website mentions the compression ratio of 11:5 ,,, i have seen many posts where you people have mentioned it to be 11:3 ..

                              which one is true ? website or catalog ?
                              The disc is 280 mm and that's 200% true.
                              No need to fed RON 95. You can use premium oil(like xtrapremium or speed) or even normal unleaded petrol(91 octane).
                              I think the compression ratio is 11.3(not 100% sure though).

                              Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post
                              Last night a few of my friends from office wanted to take a ride on the KTM and so I switched on the bike but before the console/ignition test got over, one of those Morons pressed the starter button. This happened twice...Anyway, what are the repercussions for this? Will this do any damage to my fuel injection or am I just over obsessing?>>
                              If it's a one off case then no issue. If I have to describe it in a layman's language then I would say - during self check ECU uses those sensors and collects data. Based on this data ECU adjusts things accordingly. Now if you crank the engine before the self check, ECU may manipulate/adjust/control the bike in an inappropriate way. But ECU continuously collects data from sensor and the next time it collects all data properly it will readjust things.

                              Originally posted by Shibadip View Post
                              Ya , it is, but I was asking whether there is similar tool for other bikes, where all the sensors and functions are checked to see whether they are working correctly.
                              As far as I know there is no ECU in 200ns. ECU is generally accompanied by number of sensors. 200ns may have the side stand sensor and roll over sensor but I don't think it will have all the sensors of Duke.

                              Originally posted by stanley17 View Post
                              the first thing I think about is if the throttle setting was too low
                              but then, in neutral position the bike idling at 3k so I think it's enough

                              ........
                              The Bike doesn't idle at 3K!!! I think its normally in the range of 1.2K - 1.5K at idle.

                              Originally posted by Doga View Post
                              ................
                              Also My rear seat came off when I hit a rather large pothole
                              I Had to stop and plonk it back agian. Now if it was not correctly secured at the beginning of the ride is something I know not
                              Surely the seat was not properly attached. If you look at the seat locking mechanism carefully then you'll see there is no way it can come off once locked properly.

                              Originally posted by stanley17 View Post
                              ...........
                              there's a possibility that dirt and road debris got on to your disc brake, solution is simple, clean your disc..
                              maybe that's the problem

                              the rear seat came off would be surprising when riding peacefully
                              Dirt and debris accumulated in Disc brake never sounds like 'Khat khat'. It usually makes screeching sound. However screeching sound also comes once the brake pad is worn out.
                              Don't worry, the rear seat will never come off once locked properly.
                              Last edited by AnupamOnWheels; 07-13-2012, 05:33 AM. Reason: Verbiage change
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                              • Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post
                                Last night a few of my friends from office wanted to take a ride on the KTM and so I switched on the bike but before the console/ignition test got over, one of those Morons pressed the starter button. This happened twice...Anyway, what are the repercussions for this? Will this do any damage to my fuel injection or am I just over obsessing?>>
                                It's fine dude.. Even I did it once.. In fact once my boss (woman) once pressed the start button (electric starter) when the bike was ON because she thought it was the horn..

                                Don't worry.. it won't cause any problem.

                                But make sure this does not happen often.

                                Originally posted by Doga View Post

                                Engine not starting after pressing the engine kill switch ata signal was never there in my bike but of late has noticed it happen 2-3 times.The solution is what others had suggested. Turn the key to off position and then turn it to on again and it works.
                                Were you going fast (125+)? This is happening with some bikes including mine. You have to switch off the key and start again to start the bike again.

                                Originally posted by AnupamOnWheels View Post
                                COCO is Company Owned and Company Operated. That means it's a direct outlet from company and the fear of fuel adulterations are almost zero.
                                Ok.. then i don't have to worry cause there are two COCOs near my house..

                                Once there was going to be a strike of petrol pump operators so i rushed to the fuel station (COCO near my house).. I remember one of the attendants at the petrol pump saying "Sir hum koi strike nahi karte. Aap ko yahan pe 24x7 petrol milaga"


                                Addition: BTW I just saw a post on FB page where a fellow Duker has posted a pic where console is showing an average of 96 KM/L :O :O
                                Last edited by devil_rider; 07-13-2012, 12:29 PM.
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