Re: KTM 200 Duke

Dunno if it helps, but if no one replied means no one has used it.U can go ahead if it falls under prescribed grade viz 20w50, api sg/sl jaso ma2

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Did you use pressurised water wash ? Stop doing that then .

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Motul is any day better than elf.

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Here is a latest pic of my Duke. Lets see how easy or difficult is it to spot.

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Me spotted the FFE ...
Guess the design is in its final stages .

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Thats the Final Design Bro. I liked the first design, which I felt had more power than this design.

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What levers(Clutch/Brake) are those??
Looks brilliant?? Mind sharing any details..

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KTM has spoilt you power hungry people ...

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Guys, I went to Pondy and had a good service. Well actually, it wasn't a "service", but something in between...
Several changes that have sorted out few long standing problems...

The SC guys flushed the old coolant completely and replaced it with new one. Same coolant they use in KTM showrooms.
My bike was heating up quite a lot lately, and last months it was getting worse and worse. Nothing helped.
But now it's great! Finally! Just replace the coolant, and that's it. The bike doesn't heat up quickly any more. I need to ride it strong for some time to make the fan kick in. And when the fan starts it takes just 1 min to cool the engine down and fan stop.
It looks like the coolant (at least the stock one) doesn't last very long, and needs a full replacement at most after a year.
The SC guys didn't want to do it initially, and after some talking I finally gave up and said OK, then we'll change the whole damn cooling system! After which they caved in and agreed to make a full flush and replace it fully.

I also changed the front disk pads and the braking, which has become terrible with very weak bite, is now fantastic - exactly the same as a new bike. The bite is fantastic!
I initially wanted to change the pads after 2-3000 km because I only use the front brake, but the SC guys said it's not needed at all, the pads were in perfect condition. Then again after 5k km, and they again said the pads were perfect. Which left me scratching my head, what the hell are these pads made of then if they were perfect after 5k km of lots of braking??
So guys, if your brakes are weak and your pads are several thousands of km old - just change the pads, regardless of SC guys saying they are in good condition. It's some Rs 300+. I'll be changing them every 2-3k km now, I use only front brakes and like to have a strong bite. And at highway speeds you really need good brakes...

I also replaced the chain and sprockets and finally moved from old 43T to 42T sprocket. That's after some 8k km. The chain was very noisy.
Wow, what a difference! When I go at 60 kmh and press the clutch and let go of throttle I can't hear the bike at all! So quiet...
And 42T is soooo much better than 43T!!!
When I left the showroom I totally forgot that the sprocket is changed. And I noticed the bike is more relaxed but faster. not smoother, but just more relaxed, and in the same time moving faster. Which was strange... And only then realized that the sprocket is now 42T.
It's not a big change but is definitely noticeable. I really like it much more than 43T. 43T was revving so much without moving faster. It only gives an impression of being faster because the revs are faster. But the actual speed is slower. Mind you, I have Kiirus, so from that perspective I can definitely say that 42T accelerates faster than 43T (which only makes more noise because of fast revs, but not much increase in speed).
I was thinking of 40T but then have decided to call Joel and check up on his 230cc engine upgrade, and then put 40T sprocket on a stronger engine. I can feel how 40T would be a much more pleasurable experience especially in open roads, but I think it requires a little more power to have 40T while having a strong pickup.
Right now, my D200 accelerates faster with 42T than 43T sprocket.

BTW, I checked the top speed on a highway, but that was with old crappy chain and 43T sprocket, which probably had some effect. I couldn't really go faster than 133 kmh when sitting normally, and couldn't cross 142 kmh when tucked in. With 42T and the new chain this would be little better. And with MRA windscreen even better.
So my opinion about Kiirus ECU map is same as when I tested it first - the top end doesn't seem stronger than the stock KTM ECU map. It just "extends" it to 11,700 rpm, which is very useful, but in terms of top end power it's pretty much the same as stock. The lows and mids are noticeably stronger though.

However, I'd warn about messing up with those speed limiter wires - I unsuccessfully tried to unplug the blue-white wire out of the socket, just to end up with indicator lights not working, even when the socket is plugged back in. And then the next time I unplugged the socket and plugged it back in the horn stopped working completely.
The SC guys fixed this, but I won't try to do it again. Looks like the whole thing is very prone to loose contact.
As per [MENTION=53683]Chethan Shivakumar[/MENTION] the RD ECU piggyback bypasses the 136 kmh speed limiter (or in fact just ignores those signals), and [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION], [MENTION=28683]NY:17[/MENTION] and [MENTION=27499]abhayshanu[/MENTION] compared and tested Kiirus ECU and custom mapped (not RD mapped) RD ECU piggyback, and it looks like RD is faster and more powerful.

BTW, thanks for the tip [MENTION=28683]NY:17[/MENTION] - I checked the Race Concepts FB page. This is their comment about their new 230cc big bore for Duke 200:
"The 390 will be another story for another day. Right now our focus is to make the duke 200 atleast match the 390 with a lower displacement of just 230cc. In full peak trim should technically cream a stock duke 390!"
Sounds good? Knowing what Joel did with his R15 I'm optimistic...

I'll call Joel tomorrow and check out the details of what he has to offer. If it's a good price and good feedback I'll go for 230cc upgrade very soon! Let's see. I was planning to go to Blore next month, anyway...

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No offence to anyone. Just a friendly note. Please dont destroy the bullet proof engine that ktm has given by doing the 230cc mod. Am not against joel. But it just cant match or even come close to the reliability or peace of mind that the stock offers. No use regreting later. Seen people regreting, so wanted to tell you. Its your wish though.

Good luck :thumbup:

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OK, obviously you know something negative about Joel's mods that I don't. Are you talking about Duke owners or owners of some other bikes that have regretted making mods with Joel?
Would you please share those concerns then?

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Hi bro, according to best of my knowledge KTM DUKE 200 is big bore version of Duke 125. You may have noticed the engine getting hot pretty faster than other engines. This is because of the extra load that the engine is taking. So just imagine how will it be when you add an extra 30 cc. So actually it will be like adding 105 cc to 125, not 30 cc to 200cc. It will be 85% more displacement. That is almost double the displacement of 125cc. So according to my opinion I don't think the d200 engine will be able to tolerate this much power for long. You may have issues like more engine heat and vibration from day one. Maybe within some months itself your engine may have some issues. I'm also not against joel and I love his other works like bigbore kit for fz, r15 etc.. So please think about it. And the final decision is yours. Ride safe

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Dude, first of all, its a myth Duke 200 heats up fast. Come on, I rip the bike like anything, redlining it almost every time I ride it. Can ask people here who ride with me. It never heats up as bad as it is mentioned here. Having ridden CBR250, I never felt Duke heated up more.

It heats up when there is some thing wrong in the cooling system. As mentioned earlier, it just a myth.

Duke 200 engine is a lot capable unit, and can take lot of abuse. The way we ride it, any other bike would have given up.
@splus, Chethan , please PM me your number, would like to discuss about Mods on WhatsApp, lets take the discussion there.

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@siddhart, No Offence taken dude, like you have seen the negative aspect of Joels Mods, me along with my friend Ashish, have seen the positive side.

I had my P220, moded from Joel to 230 CC in stages along with my friend Ashish, and we are testimonial to the fact that, the Mods do hold up well.

The Mods just transform your bike. You will never feel like going back to stock.

When you talk about Bullet Proof reliability of Stock bikes, don't you see lemons coming out of factory? Don't you see stock engines seizing up? These things do happen with stock bikes right, even with a strong QC.

One thing you have to keep in mind, always get the Mods done by Joel himself, and once done, try not to tinker around the setup.

Thats a simple mantra we follow, and we are happy.

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I don't think duke heating is myth anyway. My friends also have duke 200 and all are less than 7 months old. Maybe because its hotter here in south and maybe thats the reason engine is heating fast. And regarding the mod. Please carry on if you are sure. And also update it here

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The big bore that Joel has developed is the result of work gone into the stock bore and not a replacement bore. That comes with a semi forged piston.
Pretty attractive.
IMHO, go for mods like different intake, cylinder head tweak, a free flow exhaust or the likes which are relatively harmless. Improves your 200cc volumetric efficiency. I personally do not recommend a big bore simply coz of the reliability factor involved. Believe me, I wanna go for it too. 8 out of 10 people advised me against it. I've seen horror stories with big bores here on xbhp, be it RC ones or others. But, if everything turns out well, you'll keep a pic of Joel in your prayer room and worship him everyday.

OT - I'm very happy with stage 1 RC mods on my NS. In fact I will visit him again in a few months for further upgrades (bigger carb & conical filter, and maybe later a stubby ffe like the one he developed for the 220). Anything but a big bore.

My brake pads (front and rear) were changed yesterday at 18250 kms for the first time. They were good to go another 3-4k kms according to the SVC. My style of riding / braking is NOT sedate since Mysore roads are mostly traffic-free. So I personally think the pads, if installed properly (i.e without unwanted extra rubbing with the disc) and used properly (i.e without riding the brakes) they can run 12-15k kms atleast. Any number of brake pads changes isn't harmful. But it's like changing the engine oil every 500 kms.

Have fun with the 42T!