Re: KTM 200 Duke

Bro I'm attaching a pic of the same .

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Thank you, had no idea the manual had steps to replace coolant. Guess I need to dig up the manual now.

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Let me summarize the day.

It started with my and chinmay, I told him my Test 1 FFE was ready, we decided to meet on Sunday but it was raining pretty heavily and we canceled. Then I told him Tuesday I have my 12k service and lets meet then. Then he posted that we will be meeting and testing our bikes and people started pouring in. I was glad. Many people means more opinions. Good thing.

So today in the morning I went to the SVC Ghatkopar and by the time I was finished serving Chin and Amit arrived. They too had very minor issues which the SVC guy solved. After that as I had some work in Sion we headed there, where we met up with Nilesh. Then there Chin took my bike and I took his. Till now I have ridden my bike stock and my bike with the FFE. Let me first give my opinion before I get to the tests.
I after getting the FFE felt the bike was revving free-er. I couldn't say if it had more power or no, BUT it did feel much more free. Now that is partially because I rarely ride the bike over 7k RPM. But even till that RPM the bike felt it was not being restricted. My previous encounters of Stock vs FFE have been the same.
Ok, so Chin took my bike and I his. I rode his and immediately noticed 1 thing, it was slower!!!! Well not exactly but, the low and mid on my bike was much better. Chin and Nilesh rode ahead much quicker than Me and Amit. We were the slowpokes. We took a right at the Mankhurd turn and then when i saw some open road I whacked the throttle completely open, I was not content, not content and then ........... I was not able to think properly. I didn't know what happened. 'Ok, so that was, ah,.... nice?' - was my thought. We then climbed the Bridge connecting Bombay to New Bombay. I was at around 75-80 kmph in 6th and decided to open the throttle. The RPM was around 6-6.5k and the bike started to move, I was now able to truly feel what had happened before, the power was increasing, I was sitting upright and I was already at 100, then 110, then 120 and then finally at 130 I realized that I was upright at 130 and I should crouch, which I did and managed a top speed of 136-137(Speed Limiter). We then met up and went to Belapur McD on the Palm beach road.
Miitra and a few of his friends joined us there. Then we ate and decided its time to really test.
At that point of time, both me and Chin had just ridden our own and each other's bikes, but not together, not dragging, not really testing. So we set off. In various tests my bike was getting a fair enough lead except for ONLY top end runs. Like, in ALL 0-top speed runs I was ahead, either from the start or I overtook(sometimes I purposely started late). In the 40-top speed runs, I was again ahead and then me and chinmay were at equal distance once above 6k or so. In the top end runs like, 6k+ in ANY gear chin's bike would pull effortlessly from EVERYONE. So from all these tested what I understood was, as I had much better low and mid I was always head because I had momentum with me. But chin's bike with the remap was AMAZING in the top end. After all these various tested me and chin headed to his mech, who is the Head Mech at Seawoods SVC. He no longer wanted the remapped ECU, was it because of my FFE, I don't know . But in any case, i didn't miss the opportunity and exchanged our ECUs. So now I am running my Test 1 FFE and a Remapped ECU. Ride back was suppose to be slow as I told Chin, but it wasn't, it was FUN!!!

I had originally planned a FFE and a ECU tune, either a Remap or a Standalone/Piggy Back ECU. So now I have a FFE AND a Remapped ECU. So my Duke is complete. Now only that remains is a smaller sprocket when I decide on doing regular Highway rides. I am not adamant on the Speed Limiter being removed, BUT if there is an easy way to really remove it, I will opt for it.

Here is another teaser of the Test 1 exhaust and I guess the last video of it. Will be giving the bike back on Thursday and MIGHT get it back by Saturday with Test 2. Nilesh will be sending some calculations he had done for a good performance exhaust, that might be Test 3 exhaust. Lets see how things pan out.

Teaser 2 - YouTube

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Yes Man, that was an eye opener. Automechs FFE does live up to the expectations. Do you think with 43 teeth sprocket, I could have an upper hand ?

Serge, can you please perform a similar test with Chethan's bike. He has RD piggy back ECU. Read great reviews regarding better bottom end and mid range.

I would like to try RD's piggy back ecu now. Chethan, does RD ECU have a remote sort of thing using which you can switch maps on the fly?

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I think you meant 43 and 42T in these posts
But nice to see you guys had fun keep those meetings happening and have more fun the same way !!

So the combo your running right now is the Automechs test 1 FFE and Kiirus remap ? As its confusing because chinmayakar said its stock and you mentioned its remaped. But loved the exhaust there nice one !!! speed limiter so far tired and tested the RD one and its not there its removed once i have fitted their ECU.

Stay with 42T its the best of all IMO.
RD ECU has no remote for this model you ll need a comp to change the maps.

Ok i ll like to mention one point here, As i always say this ECU is one complicated master piece. I don't know how much it makes sense to the majority out here i have strong feeling that the ECU doesn't run like other ecu's which means having a set of base maps like set of values in an excel sheet and multiple sub maps. There is some other way that this ECU operates. The reason i say this is day on day the more aggressive maps i use the ECU some how tries to bring the values some what close to stock values. And this always happens when i hit the top speed of 135 -140 and above. Till the time i hit the top bracket its fine and the changed values reflect nicely when i ride. But the moment the hit the top bracket and ride the bike again later can some how feel its not the same. Dont know if any of you feel the same on your remapped bikes, if it feels after a few days its not like before somewhere some punch is a little less than before.

So what i think is if we can some way get the AFR curves shifted from the stock value to a little higher and most imp the top speed signal voltage threshold to be increased then the RD ecu can do a lot of wonders is my opinion.

So one thing i want to try is use this ECU on anyone of your remaps and see if the AFR is actually shifted from the stock curve and most imp if the top speed signal voltage threshold is bumped up

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Yes, I meant 42 and 43 teeth. That was a typo. After the testing me and Abhay swapped our ECU's. I am back to stock ECU since last evening. Thing that I noticed immediately was stock ECU has better bottom end and mid range, while Kiirus ECU has better top end power. It pulls effortlessly all the way to 136-138 until speed limiter sends you back.

On Eastern Express Highway yesterday with Kiirus remap, I was able to hit 136 3-4 times, and every time I was thrown back by the limiter.

However in a drag, Abhays bike with FFE takes the lead and it just keeps growing. This is the momentum Abhay was talking about.

I think I will keep the stock ECU + FFE from Automech.

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To summarize yesterdays meet:
1- AutoMechs FFE is LOUD, but has good low & mid range gains.
2- Kiirus ECU is ok-ish IMHO, not worth the money you spend on it.
3- The perfect setup for city would FFE + 43T sprocket.
4- The perfect setup for highways/touring would be the re-map and 42T.

Am I missing something ? Please feel free to add/ask

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Could not agree more. Very well summarised.

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Ok so this is the point i mentioned, before your Kirrus remap the day you got it done would have felt like a big leap ahead from the stock feeling but the day you hit the top speed of 135 and above the standard speed limiter part a VSS signal is sent to the ecu telling it reached this threshold once so what the ECU will do is it will remember this save it in its memory and the next further times you try, it will try and bring the AFR curve down and not letting the bike get enough fuel to do that speed as quick as it did before and after a few top speed runs if you observe you can't hit that highest top speed you did on the same setup. So this how intelligent this ECU is.

In this post and your testing cleared one doubt i had,that is if the hardware of the bike(Injector) is hard coded to the specific ECU or not. So from your test you confirmed one of the tests i was planning to do this weekend. Because the only fear i had was if its hardware paired (like Bluetooth pairing) then when its connected to another bike and you put it back to your bike it wont let the bike start because the pairing would have been lost and the factory guys can only pair it again for you which will be a big headache.

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Alright,so it's 6080kms on the odo and the chain sprocket gone kaput.

It was behaving a little awkward from past 50 odd kms so I went to the SVC, and while cleaning and lubing the chain, I asked the guy to tweak it a little & then he showed me that the movement is not uniform. Upon revloving the tyre, the chain goes loose and tight at different points.

Is replacement the only solution or......???

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@Chethan Shivakumar
Generally the injectors f or diesels are hardcoded not for petrols. for petrols they use simple injectors.
This ECU is a very smart piece of technology, but luckily my bike doesnt have a speed limiter.I think its just a rev limiter cause it reaches 132 and stays there.Doesnt jerk or abruptly slow down.
Also if possible can you send a screen shot of your maps and stock rd maps, just needed to verify some stuff @abhayshanu Have sent you the calculations pls check them out.

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The Duke's chain has a very short life, the other day i went to the svc just to get the chain checked, that infamous 'khat-khat' sound was getting really irritating. After checking the chain the svc guy tells me that i need to replace the chain because it's tight at some parts & loose at the other. The bike has just done 7k kms and the chain was always taken care of.
Anyone over here has installed Rolon chains? i heard they come with X-rings

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Thanks for the update there on the injectors. Well about this ECU every day i am exploring new stuff. Even the ECU's on the expensive bikes are not complicated to this level man.

About the speed limiter well it kicks in approx above 135 around 134 also i can hold for a while without any abrupt cut off try holding and going all the way up to 135+ and check and see if you dont hit the speed limiter and its not the rev limiter.

About the maps i sure will share it once i am satisfied myself with the whole part , about RD stock maps not sure if its ok for me to share on a public forum will check and let you know.


Totally understand your issue i had this issue at around 5500kms on my bike and the SVC guy told me that the chain sprocket is gone as in one part its tight and other part its too loose my local mech fixed this issue for me. The root cause for this was a very very slight misalignment of the front sprocket which was set right but just removing and refitting the front sprocket. Its worth for you to give a try on this. Dont know if it may or may not work for you.

As far as i got to know from my sources ROLON chains are the OEM suppliers for KTM ..

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Chethan, do let us know if you are able to attain higher top speed without limiter kicking in quite often. Do you feel bottom end and mid range has improved or is it the same. Now I am back to stock ECU and most of us here after the test have realised stock ECU is the best. The best combo is Stock ECU + FFE from Automech.

With the test that we conducted, Kiirus seemed like a rip off with no substantial gain. Hope RD lives up to the expectations.

Anyone from Mumbai using RD piggy back ECU?

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Hi ,
Yesterday i got few scratches on my dukes front mud guard(gifted by a rickshaw puller). I have rubbed the scratch with 3M rubbing compound and Formula1 scratch out but no luck it is still visible. The scratch is deep and there is small lose of paint too. Can any one please tell me how to get rid of these scratches.

Also I want to cover my bike's body with 3M paint protection film. Can anyone tell me from where can i get that protection film and please let me know about the cost also as i am a student and need to arrange money.

I live in DELHI.