That Is one long story! But a good one at that.
And the best part about it was the early birthday gift!

I suddenly had this idea in mind and I am going to ask it from a completely lay man's point of view, which is, is the Pulsar 220F's exhaust fittable on the new ZMR? If so what will be the procedures, effects?

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It is a long story.. I had a P180 2006 and a Karizma 2003.. in the year 2009, I completed my graduation and my dad got a transfer order to Delhi the same year and due to recession, I didn't get any job offer so had to move to Delhi along with my parents.. my dad told me he is selling off one bike and I can bring the other bike to Delhi with me.. I immediately told him to sell off the P180.. he agreed and without my knowledge, he sold both the bikes and after selling them only he informed me.. I was quite angry but he is the boss, isn't he?

He promised to get me a new bike.. and on moving to Delhi, he said no bikes and he got me a car.. I somehow managed to save money and my dad finally after a Home War 1, he agreed to give me some extra bucks to get a new bike.. I was considering the TVS Apache 180.. My dad didn't like the way the sales guy responded so we moved to Hero Showroom and he was thinking of getting me an Xtreme or Hunk as he didn't have to spend extra penny apart from my savings.. I managed to brainwash him and book a black Karizma R on 20st Feb 2010 which cost 77K back in 2010 he had to shed out 7K extra to get it for me

But then, on the 22nd of Feb 2010, I went to the showroom to select my Black Karizma R (they had 3 standing).. I saw 2 beautiful ZMRs standing in the showroom which attracted me to the core.. I immediately sent a message to my dad asking him to Check on the ZMR standing in the showroom..

Luckily, before I took delivery of Karizma R which I selected, I noticed there was too much of knocking sound from the Engine. I asked them to give me a different piece and I was to take delivery on the 22nd, but due to this I decided to take it on the 23rd.. eagerly waiting to get my hands on the Karizma R, the next day when I went to take delivery, they gave me the keys to my bike and to my surprise they handed the key of the ZMR and they said Advance Bday wishes in advance. My Bday is on the 6th of March

I called my dad and he said he changed his mind and spent another 25K and got the ZMR for me He quite liked the bike too after seeing it in flesh <3 and thats how my Love story with my Black Pearl began.. from Feb 2010 till date <3

I did pay him the 25K back

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Those days karizmas were literally legends! I see many of those still plying in Kolkata, why did you get rid of it?

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I was one of the owners of 2003 Karizma.. Mind blowing acceleration.. Made all new Karizmas eat dust

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A thinner oil means better/quicker revving and a little higher average, as I stated earlier.
That's what people want and therefore that's what company gives!
The original ZMA Premium Sports (2003) was even better than ZMR v2 in acceleration, but had a poor fuel economy. People desired mileage even from a 223 cc bike. 30 kmpl wasn't cutting it for them. However 20 kmpl from d390 seems to work nowadays.

Anyways, to counter this, Hero retarded the timing of the bike. This ensured that the bike wasn't that low on mileage anymore since there was that little extra milli second for the fuel to burn completely in the power stroke. Mileage did increase to 33-35 types in the 2007 ZMA-R, but that revving nature was gone. The bike wasn't that fast anymore. How to give that pseudo effect in the cheapest way? Reduce the oil grade from w40 to w30!

With the addition of FI, mileage improved even further.
But ride a well maintained pre 2007 ZMA and you'll be blown away!
I would suggest you put w40 oil atleast in summer. It will provide better protection in heavy traffic.

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Hahaha I have quite the same view about the Karizma, engine kill switch would have been a good option to have but I'm okay not having it anyway, but i will do a test ride of the AS200 and know about its review in my vicinity before locking on to anything.

P.S I would like to test ride the Apache 200 too before making my final decision

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Yes it is a dream to ride! I will test ride an AS200 soon to see how it feels and get the rest of the info.

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Duly noted

P.S. I do not mean to disgrace it, it is good, which goes without saying, well lets hope which ever ride I finally decide to take turns up well and without any major problems.

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Thanks for the suggestion brother, but the r15 series are very short and small much like fz or gixxer it wont fit me comfortably :P

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From my experience as i am owning NS 200 , i feel Karizma will be comfortable than AS 200 especially ride quality.
Also my friend own ZMR v2 it have some niggles but it is a dream to ride .Vibrations will reduce as you climb the odo

If you are not concerned about ride quality then go for AS

Ps : NS AS RS need good mechanics for even regular maintenance ( check your nearby bajaj asc about their service etc )

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Dear Arjit,

Strictly avoid R15, it is a very small bike! you will die of back pain.

Yes, consider AS200, its a very good motorcycle, BUT repairing/servicing AS200 is very difficult & it is complicated. If you have good qualified mechanics around you, I would say go for it!

If you dont have qualified mechs, then please avoid AS200 & try P220. The 220 doesn't look that bad either. Dont ignore a good motorcycle purely because of looks!


If you cannot do any of above, then go for Karizma R only & avoid ZMR.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

You should consider r15s if you which is time tested with gorgeous looks and now its coming with pillion seat also...

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Thanks for the inputs Marmiteminer, Dipan, Divya, Saleem, I really appreciate the time you guys take out to reply

Although, I personally do not like the fish-like face of the Pulsar 220, should I rather check out the AS200?
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You got that right! I live in Madhyamgram actually and Hero, Honda, Yamaha, TVS, Bajaj Showrooms/SVCs are 10 minutes walking distance from my house, with the only exception being the Suzuki being located a little far.

Btw Dipan, which SVC do you visit for your karizma, and which showroom did you take it from?

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Well Said Srikant.
Simply Put Stay Away From The New ZMR'S

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