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man......the white A180 ......looks awesome.............nd amazed how fast this thread has took off...........waitin 4 a complete review of d bike.....as am plannin 2 buy A180 myself..........Burn Rubber...........Not u r soul
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Yes the white one looks damn good, but its not available in Jaipur till date.Originally posted by StreetHawk_lets roll View Postman......the white A180 ......looks awesome.............
waitin 4 a complete review of d bike.....as am plannin 2 buy A180 myself..........
i think am going for the "Black Menace"
and yes here's the review of the bike...
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yay for our FIs then!Originally posted by rennycornelius View Posti've not drivven it but in the reviews i got it's more than FI at the signature 5700-7000 area.....
LOL, yeah i forgot to post that you might have a slightly different opinion.Originally posted by rennycornelius View Posti remember the pages of discussion we had on this....


i don't remember conciously blipping, probably because it's second nature to me now esp when riding hard, but i do know that it's very hard to clutchless downshift on the fi (which you shouldn't anyway) without blipping or finally pulling in the clutch. but when using the clutch there's really no need to blip to downshift. clutchless upshifts are always spot on, though they do require a bit more pressure on the lever than a bike with a smoother 'box and also the revs shouldn't have dropped too much below the powerband.Originally posted by rennycornelius View Postto get smooth shifts outta FI's gearbox i have to "match revs" every time or in simpler terms "blip" the throttle b4 downshifting....
it gets stuck sometimes while shifting from 1 to 2 and the worst part is if i stopped the bike say in 4 gear dead then it wont come to neutral without moving it back and forth or leaving the clutch so that engine moves the gear a bit...for every gear till the dash shows "N"....
every FI's suffers from this...
FI's having a notchy gearbox for sure....
I've never had any issue with gear shifting like you've mentioned. When i mentioned that it's not the best gbox in the industry i meant it's not as smooth as say a honda, but i've never felt it to be the least bit notchy. It's definitely better than many pulsars i've ridden. I would suggest checking out your 'box and clutch mate, coz afaik it aint a standard char....Last edited by julianpaul; 07-20-2009, 02:19 PM.
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............Originally posted by julianpaul View Postyay for our FIs then!
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i never tried clutchless downshift (same reason as urs i thought it might damage the plates and the 'box) but ya i'm constently into clutchless shifts at high RPMS(7500-10000) and it's way toooo smooth that way...Originally posted by julianpaul View Posti don't remember conciously blipping, probably because it's second nature to me now esp when riding hard, but i do know that it's very hard to clutchless downshift on the fi (which you shouldn't anyway) without blipping or finally pulling in the clutch. but when using the clutch there's really no need to blip to downshift. clutchless upshifts are always spot on, though they do require a bit more pressure on the lever than a bike with a smoother 'box and also the revs shouldn't have dropped too much below the powerband.
I've never had any issue with gear shifting like you've mentioned. When i mentioned that it's not the best gbox in the industry i meant it's not as smooth as say a honda, but i've never felt it to be the least bit notchy. It's definitely better than many pulsars i've ridden. I would suggest checking out your 'box and clutch mate, coz afaik it aint a standard char....
due to my gearbox thing i went to the showroom and tried 2 new FI's with the same with clutch and without clutchless shifts and i still feel it's notchy...(requiring more pressure at low RPM's,making clanking noice but it does have the "FEEL" i wanted outta it, so m not complaining...

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but this not getting to the neutral i mentioned after comin to a hault in gears was present...
but ya that 1 to 2 shift creates prob sometimes....The Magician"
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of course it will vibrate..since the crankshaft is lighter than any usual bike..make it lighter and u'll get more vibration..Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Postman the primary specification of rtr is not cc,,, not power
but VIBRATIONS
i think they would be there in the upper rpm range
one xbhpian test rode it and told vibrations is worse than his 160
but lets hope for the best
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Originally posted by manan_in_2000 View PostHi All,
It been a long wait that we all had for getting our hands on the all new Apache RTR 180 (Code named Menace). And mark my words after having hands on this machine I really felt that it was worth waiting for this machine and my sweet little wild-child. What else can one ask from a good bike other than what TVS has already given to us, when I went for buying this bike I was actually keeping lot of high expectations (everybody knows why), we expectations were as follows:
1. Fastest in it's class
2. Best handling in it's class or rather in any class
3. Low pricing
4. Value for money
5. Best sporty ride
I actually got all of them and not only that I would say I got what was not in my expectations list as well and that was some beauty upgrades. Well befoer going to buy the bike I actually done some survey of other bikes as well. Everybody knows that I always have a soft corner for TVS Machines, but that did not made me biased to buy this bike. I looked for other bikes, one was by all far means was a better looking bike, what do I do with the bike which can not fulfill my thurst of power, it gives me only 150cc and 13-14bhp power with a pricetag higher than for what I got my bike on road. Then the other contender was actually giving better top speed with not much of the price difference with bit more power and CC added to it, but then I thought will this also give me the handeling that I was as I always loves to do lot of hill rides which actually require precise handeling which actually not avaialble in that machine, also the initial pickup of RTR was far better than what I am comparing with. Hence I decided why not to buy a machine which fulfill my all needs, with a little sacrifice of looks whhich I anyways not hungry of and little bit of more CC and power which actually can not fulfuill my needs of cornering on the hills.
Well! all the above comparisons were done as per my own point of view, people might differ from my viewes, but that's ok
Yes the bike was looking damn awesome in white color when I saw it in flash in the shwroom, however looking at the number of bikes available in the same color in the showroom, I just thought over it gave a second thought to it and decided to buy something which was not that much readily available in the showroom and that was a Titanium Grey colored bike with Matt finish on it. Damn it looks so mannly when you actually ride on it. Yeah no doubt that White color was damn so appealing but then it was giving more of the feeling of propr sports bike (which it actually is meant for) but I wanted something that I can ride in all moods.
Well, that was how I ended up buying a Titanum Grey Bike. Now let's move on to the ride experience. As soon as I got my hands on my bike it felt like the bike is saying common let's race, it was actually bit hard for first few red lights for me to keeep the front weel down while looking for a perfect launch each time at the red light. Well, but that was expected out of it, soon I was in the habit of the bike I was able to tam the 17 horses in the bike. It was not that easy to stop myself of pulling the bike to it's extent but what can I do when my bike requires a proper running in, I knew that I should not ride it above 50kmph mark. My first few 100 kms gone like I was struggling jail and I was bounded with chains and I can't run faster when I know I actually can do far far better. Still my thurst was defeated in front of my love for my new bike. I actaully controlled myself for those 500 kms till the time I havent got my first service done. People might not believe that I have already completed a very lucky figure of 786.00 kms on my bike in just 6th day of my ownership with the bike. Now everybody can imagine who involving this bike is, that at least I did not want to get down of the bike any moment of the day, I was going to office, to the market, to the neighbour's place, to my friend's ppalce all over only on my bike. Now as my bike has already got the first service done I went a small ride to Manesar with all my old friends and my dear XBHP members, that ride was real fun. I was actually supposed to keep my speed low but once we hit the NH8 I could not resist my self of pulling bike at time, the top that I have achieved on my speedo on that ride was 125kmph but for very short time (I would suggest other friends not to do the same with there bikes in running in period). Mind my words the rollon torque is damn so good that at any given gear if you pull the throttle you will actually find that power delivery to your bike. Attaining the speed of 100 on rtr 180 is like game of kids (once proper running in is done), on the ride as well I attained the speed of 125kmph in no time.
Well as of now I can only say that the bike all what you need of a bike, please mark my words once you ride you will actually feel the difference of RTR 180 and any other bike in it's class. How it will perform on long routes, i'll post only once I do my first touring on it. Till then enjoy menacing on your RTR 180 and those who still have not got the hands on this bike, would definetly recommmend to do so.
Will put some pictures in my next post. Cliked with 1.3mp phone camera so please spare me for the clarity of the picks.
man....u seem 2 b in deep love vid d bike.........but i'm still waiting 4 a full-on review........on performance, handling, mileage, braking & more........as i'm plannin 2 buy it myself in d next mnth...........Burn Rubber...........Not u r soul
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Riding a race bike is an art - a thing that you do because you feel something inside.
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Hey .......any info.......on A180 FI
..........wil it happen in the near future...........coz i'm plannin 2 buy A180 in d next mnth
Burn Rubber...........Not u r soul
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Riding a race bike is an art - a thing that you do because you feel something inside.
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I dont think the 180FI if any will happen such a "Near" future.Originally posted by StreetHawk_lets roll View PostHey .......any info.......on A180 FI
..........wil it happen in the near future...........coz i'm plannin 2 buy A180 in d next mnth
If you ask me there is something wrong with the strategy for FI bikes in india. IMHO the 220Fi and the R15 were the only indian bikes to be built ground up for FI. TVS have just replaced the carb with an FI unit. Before i purchased the Rtr180 i was considering the RTR 160 FI but when i heard news about the 180 being carb and that it told me a lot about the FI strategy of TVS. I dropped plans of th Fi and decided it would be the RTR 160 (carb/refresh) or the new RTR180. According to me , with such a strategy there is no saying when they would discontinue FI. I wonder if others share a similar opinion about FI with respect to manufacturers like TVS, Honda and Hero Honda?
Last edited by leighton; 07-21-2009, 09:33 AM.
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Originally posted by martin_sky77 View Postwell my 160RTR only have some rough vibrate between 4750-5500rpms...beyond that, it's just some smooth vibration like FZ150 (V-Ixion)..Hey Martin, welcome to xbhp! Our overseas owner/member list is steadily increasing and we're pretty proud of the fact that our little rtr is all over the world now! do post more of your ownership experience and local riding lifestyle.Originally posted by martin_sky77 View Postof course it will vibrate..since the crankshaft is lighter than any usual bike..make it lighter and u'll get more vibration..
i've given this a bit of thought too. while the 220 was designed to have the fi, it too was basically a 'tweaked' member of the pulsar family following the natural evolutionary path. where both tvs and bajaj have differed from yamaha is that the r15 had a solid, tested fi system straight from japan, which while still not a perfect fi (open-loop system), it's still pretty advanced with 6-hole injectors. Main thing is it's implemented and tested well and it WORKS WELL.Originally posted by leighton View PostIf you ask me there is something wrong with the strategy for FI bikes in india. IMHO the 220Fi and the R15 were the only indian bikes to be built ground up for FI. TVS have just replaced the carb with an FI unit.
Tvs and bajaj have also used a delphi system but after months and years of testing they still haven't been able to iron out all the kinks. Well bajaj kinda did, but they took almost 6 months to a year, and some rtr fis still seem to be having problems. there's talk of a new injector doing the rounds, which seems to solve most problems, but i'm guessing the issue is less a fault of the injector and more of a properly implemented system.
Another gripe i have with tvs is if they've figured out that their old injector was faulty or inadequate, why not call all fi owners in for a recall. sure it would cost them more (but they already made a profit when selling the bike, remember), but would generate massive goodwill and faith in them as a responsible company.
Bottom line is both these companies, one a top player in the indian market, and the other having a reputation for engineering skill, have had a pretty rough time getting their new-fangled technology out to the masses and it looks pretty bad when their latest offerings have omitted the said new-fangled tech. The japs would probably be smiling all the way to the bank if more people were to buy the r15 rather than the fz!
p.s. i haven't mentioned HH's fi implementation because they haven't either! (you know what i mean
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i think what TVS is doin is it's changing the injector of evry FI if the owner tells them to clean it even.....Originally posted by julianpaul View Post
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Another gripe i have with tvs is if they've figured out that their old injector was faulty or inadequate, why not call all fi owners in for a recall. sure it would cost them more (but they already made a profit when selling the bike, remember), but would generate massive goodwill and faith in them as a responsible company.
tht's what i told them and i got mine changed...
yesterday whn i went thr to enqire about the rear mudguard of 180 thr was this one guy i asked hwsits goin he told me they changed the injector...i asked what was the prob??? he told he told them to clean it..i checked his bike thr was the same silver one which i got now....The Magician"
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