The highlighted does not run on DC. Only UG4,220 have that option. Even 200 doesnt have that feature.

the beam of RTR is good at night but ya not the best thr in the business....
but still the ones who want to install HID kits....u can count them on ur finger so i guess tht made TVS not includin it......

i second that. everyone and his uncle wants to run HID but the actual number who'd actually do it are very few. i wanted to install a 100/90 H4 in a fiat seal beam in a roadking dome on my rd, even bought everything, and didnt have the time to go about it. and the rd is dc. then i sold it and we fit the round headlight with the 100/90 to a friend's cbz and let me tell you it was quite a bit of work. so all those thinking that fitting an HID becomes easy just because you have dc are gonna find out the hard way.

On DC lighting I would agree with Raghu and not agree with both of u. DC lighting brings with it a lot of other advantages like flicker free lighting too!!

On top of that as a person who has taken the pains to fit 2 bi-xenons on an R15, a failed attempt at running HID on the RTR and fitting a 100/90 on a car, I would say its a fairly simple job. Its practically plug and play!!!

DC lighting would especially help in hilly riding or riding thru fog, where u will be riding slow and the magneto does not light the road up so brightly! All in all I would say DC lighting is a must-have. It may have been a good to have some time back, but now most companies offer DC lighting and there are even x-bhpians who have done jugaads on their machines for the same. So whats taking a TVS so long?

I myself am currently running a 55/60 setup and having used the stock 35/35 setup, I can very well make out the difference!

i didn't say dc lighting isn't good. in fact i think it's a very necessary tech which all bikes with atleast a 5aH battery should have. what i was talking about was out of the hordes of people who talk about HID this and HID that, only a handful would actually go about it.

and i wouldn't exactly call it plug and play. not if you call a fused line direct from the battery, run through a relay for each beam with crimped clip connectors with waterproof caps, adding an extra switch in case of an ac setup plug and play. did i forget something?

tvs is definitely behind the times with not providing a dc setup. i can understand with the fi due to the added 'tronics, they would avoid dc to keep the battery draining risk to a minimum, since extra circuitry to prevent that, ala bajaj, would cost more money. but why not in the 180 i have no clue.

my same reply to this as julian but thr's one more thing tht giving the masses bike with DC so tht they can later install HID to it thn why not simply give them bike with DC and HID already installed to it....
tht makes more sense thn......

Nope u did not forget anything. And it is not as complicated as u have made it sound. All that cabling u said comes as a package on a HID kit. Even my local Chinese bi-xenon came with that (It was also the same cabling present on a Philips as well!). All u need to do is fix the bulb, connect the sockets and connect to the battery.
In case of swapping a 35/35 with a 55/60, I think u know that it is even more simple. BTW am talking of fixing higher wattage/HID only on a DC Setup, not converting an AC Setup to a DC.

Using a HID without projectors is illegal in India Renny. In fact using a wattage higher than 35/35 itself is illegal on a bike. Not many may take the pains to install a HID, but using a 35/35 in DC itself is good, flicker-free lighting.

i didnt knew tht apar sir...

but this is INDIA...
if 100 people want to install HID and all of them know it's illegal without projectors still 98 will end up installin them....

but yes, co provided DC surely makes sense....

c'mon guys

so apart from AC DC AND HID ,
any owner of Apache 180 would like to share his ownership experience???

$$$ !!! actually, Rs. Rs. Rs.

as i said, it's to minimise risk of battery drainage. and again to save Rs. maybe the 180 isn't as 'tronically complicated as the FI, but if the battery drains due to an owner overusing the headlight without charging, then it's a messy visit to the svc, a battery recharge, maybe even a swap. it's just more convenient for the company to provide ac lighting. why would they really care so much about a flickering headlight at low rpms. btw, what i said earlier about bajaj providing the additional circuitry for headlight cutoff when the enigne isn't running, i must state that an overload of tech isn't always a good thing. not bashing bajaj here, but a friend's UGIII has had the speedo console replaced thrice, but the biggest piss-of was when the so called 'zero-maintenace, no-contact' LH switch failed and had to be replaced for 650 bucks! guess thats what they mean by zero maintenace. just buy a new one!

hmm, when i did this back in 2001, the only HID i had seen was in a mondeo! didn't know it became so easy. even now, i thought the HID kits only had the ballast and projector/lamp. yes, i understand that it's much easier with dc as compared to ac but what i meant is that it's easy to fit a kit and make it work, but without the right attention to detail, something can go very wrong very quick.

Ok, i knew about the projector bit, in fact i think it's very rude to trouble other road users with harsh lighting. But this is the very first time i heard about the 35w limit. how do the bikes with the 55/60 get approved then?

guess the main topic of contention has moved from vibes to dc lighting but till someone actually contributes something ownership related i don't see the harm in doing so. unless it gets really OT.

absolutely............

and again the people who'l happy to pay for it can be counted on fingers....

@Julian: Well, u see these are ARAI rules. That is the reason ur horn sound shud never exceed 80 Db. A bike according to the ARAI rule book should only have 35/35W bulb as its headlamp. U can have 2/4/8. But 35/35 per bulb is the rule. Similarly a car must have only a 55/60W bulb and so on. These are a few rules that I remember now. For the complete rulebook: Welcome to ARAI - SIAT emission certification structural dynamics advanced engine testing SLED facility CAE industry

I have no idea how the Avenger is approved. Also if u look closely, no bike follows the 80Db horn rule. An 80 Db horn is what is present on the R15!

thanks for the ARAI link. and it's not just the avenger. the Bullet Machismo 500 has a 45/40W. so they're officialy breaking the official rules. and yamaha's breaking the rule of breaking the rules! one word. India ...

yes ur right nothing more than just:

30cc,2.602ps
split seats
split handles
split grab rails
o ring chain
120 rear tyres
tubeless tyres ,both front and back
220/avengers swingarm
220's front fork
kickless ala 200,220
larger disks(thanks nashdrivin!)

and weight a few kilos more thats all!!

U Forgot the brakes...P180 has 260mm front disc while the P150'S 240 mm