Ok thanks for info .

So best way is to change the whole indicator assembly .


They are different for each bike , check sibun's post above , IIRC passion & passion+ have different sprockets .

Set includes both Front & Rear sprocket with chain .

Check is that resistor is good or not by the process as shoeb mentioned earlier , but to be on safer side i suggest you to replace it with new one , as i think it won't cost more .

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didn't see any pin but there is Black nut (size almost coin) hold the assembly with holder, if you mean for that...it is in the pipe portion of the indicator.

Just notice his post....thanks for clearing the doubt about sprocket set.


As shoeb2015 earlier post the procedure which is set the Digital Multi-meter to ohm setting (I tried all the available ohm setting in that meter) and put RED probe in Pink Terminal and Black Probe to resistor or the mounting chasis.....I get no readings, so I think it is as good as dead <----please correct me if I'm wrong....Now, will you prefer to disconnect the thing ?

How it is protect if that thing is dead ?

At first thanks a ton Sibun Jee for your informative knowledge base post...as I feel we are extremely lucky here as you present in this community and help us here with your tremendous amount of knowledge about bike.

Thanks for the teeth info for the sprocket....what drum do I need ? Is this drum include in "chain-sprocket set" ? if not a part number will be great...I know it hard to provide.

Anyhow as I bold some line of your post, How can I directly go to ROLON or DIAMOND Brand ? The source of my purchase is a distributing channel of Hero Moto Crop Spare Parts of West Bengal.......they don't even bother to talk single individual customer..as here Pinaki Jee may confirm my point.

Anyhow my Indicator is UNITECH and in Kolkata I don't know where I find loose UNITECH Indicator without solely relying Hero Moto Crop spare parts distributing channel.

One que though how much KM a chain sprocket set last for this bikes (say original) ? 1 Lakh KM ?

Mine is just 59k KM.

Forget it , that pin thingy is in Bajaj Platina Indicators . 3 sets of which i used & then returned to the stock indicators . While posting i thought that pin in passion indicator , but later after remembering i edited the post & removed the stuff .


If it is dead then it won't serve the purpose for which it is there . As you got no reading it seems it is dead if your multimeter is ok . Replace it in that case or if not found then disconnect it .

As in last post you said battery won't handle indicators for more than 3/4 blink if engine is off . It is sign of weak battery , get it charged .



Why you changing drum ? I think it is changed only when worn out which results in eating of brake shoe fastly . Don't know part number but mostly there are only 2 type big & small . Ask for the one which is presently on you bike to shopkeeper if you want to change .

Check in spare shops located in auto markets .

Pinaki Jee ....for me it seems If I go 4 sets of indicator change ({135+20=155}x4=620/-), that will cost more than complete "chain-sprocket set"....

Hope my multimeter is ok, coz it at least show the correct voltage from the battery.

Battery can't handle a single blink if the engine off (though I start it after 4-5 days), though I got a buzzer installed since the 1st day which is quite high tone as compare todays as it is Beep Type.....This thing installed by the showroom guy 11 years ago.Do you think it sucks more power from battery ? If so I can disconnect it.

This thing mentioned by Sibun as his last post....I have no Idea...I can confirm rear sprocket not mounted in the drum brake assembly, as may some modern bike mount the rear sprocket into their alloy.

@neel- You got me wrong. There is no need to change drum. The sprocket is mounted on a hub and the hub is mounted to drum using rubber cushions. So there are two models of rear sprocket. The center hole of the rear sprocket varies for bigger drum and smaller drum. Yours is small drum and ask for chain kit for small drum. Do not change the drum. Change the brake shoe and rubber coupling of the drum. If you get chain kit for bigger drum it will not fit. Drum usually do not wear out so soon. My bike is at 3.1 lacs km but still it is on its original drums.Regarding the teeth of sprockets i have posted it in previous thread and all old model Hero honda have same small drum for rear.
Original that came with bike usually last 60k and the present OE sprocket will not last for even 20K. Go for ROLON/DIAMOND and it will easily last for 50k.
My joy has a diamond kit and i regularly clean with Kerosene by dismanteling it and again oiling with it with SAE 90 grade oil at every 6000 km.The sprocket has run for 82k but still also look like new. Moreover i am a gentle rider. I daily touch 80 Kph on NH but i do not go for sudden acceleration or braking.
For getting spares go to well known automobile area and go to a big spares shop. You will get ROLON/DIAMOND easily as they are easily available. Also UNITECH/LUMAX is also easily available. Get either ROLON or Diamond as both are of same quality and OE supplier to all motorcycles in India.
The address for diamond sprocket is-
REGIONAL OFFICE-
TIDC india
chabbildas Towers,2nd floor,
No. 6A, Middleton street,
Kolkatta-700071
Tel-033 22830410
WARE HOUSE-
TIDC INDIA,
Jain kunj godown,
1 Goragacha road,
off hide road,
700043
Tel- 033-24397307
Did you got the point. There is no need to change drum. Just ask for chain kit for small drum or 2001 model passion.

Get rolon/diamond chain kit and buy a new front sprocket sperately because it is not included it the kit(At least in Hyderabad)


Get Swiss clear lens 2 LH and 2 RH lens,4 amber bulbs Rs.15 each.
OR
Buy MINDA indicators Rs.90 X 4=Rs.360/-.Far better quality than OE.(Recommended option as your blinker reflectors might have faded and rubber seals hardened)


New lens are 99% transparent.
Anyway your ZMR will adjust its AFR automatically as there is a lambda(o2) sensor.

Swiss has clear lens which is a direct fit.

I have used HERO chains and it lasted less 5000 kms.

How much was piston ring to ring grove gap ?
How much was the ring end gap at top,bottom,middle in the cylinder ?

I think your lens hast stuck to the reflector because of the rubber seal. I am not sure though,check it out.

Front sprocket is universal only rear sprocket is different for different models.
Passion has a 44 teeth rear sprocket because it has a 3.0" rear tyre.

Trust me and disconnect the resistor.

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@ Sibun'Jee - I think small drum means that for 110mm rear brake and big drum means that for the 130mm brakes , am I right ? Did any of the passions ever have a 130mm rear drum brake ? I far as know , only the 125cc super-splendor and glamour has 130mm rear drums . As I was wanting to replace my rear brakes to 130mm from the current 110mm , so had inquired about this some time back .... So now it is evident that to have done that , I would have had to replace the rear sprocket and consequently the chain set too , No ?

New passion comes with 130mm rear drum,it is possible to change but requires new drum,plate,shoes,sprocket holder(dont know the exact term) and shorter spokes.

BTW,I changed both front and rear brake shoes to ANL and the brake bite is very good but it takes some time for the new shoes to set-in/burn-in or whatever.
No need for 130mm drum (Atleast for me),front brake is enough and the response is just like a disc brake(Tyre is MRF zapper FS 2.75)

I was thinking to get a 3.0 rear tyre for my splendor,what do you say ?http://www.mrftyres.com/Products/Tyr...=530&width=655 Is it correct upsize ? I found that combo to be very good on my passion.

New passion comes in wire-spoke wheels ? I won't buy cast wheels anymore .

I have also wondered about 3.0x18 rear tyres but not used one on any of my 100cc's yet . Maybe someone who has can explain the change in characteristics better plus any consequent wear on clutch, chain & sprockets etc if any . I may try it if I get some assurance at least .
Actually I have taken the opposite route . As soon as got this splendor+ from showroom , the first thing I did was to take out the OE 2.75x18 MRF nylogrip ST-plus(total bakwaas tyre) from rear and 2.75x18 MRF nylogrip RIB(and it's tube) from front and donate away both to friends who needed tyre changes . Then I went to the largest MRF company showroom here and purchased 2.75x18 MRF Nylogrip MOTO-C for rear and 2.5x18 MRF NYLORIB for front as well as the correct size tube for the front .

So my bike is actually running thinner than stock tyre in front , i.e the classic RX-100 OE tyre specs .

The tyre you have chosen , i.e the MRF Nylogrip Plus ( we commonly call it NGP tyre here ) , is an excellent tread pattern for general city riding as well as wet asphalt roads . It is also quite long lasting and puncture resistant . It's grip loses a bit (free spinning wheels) in soft mud & off-road & riding-in-heavy-rain conditions, but excellent traction in normal roads , be it wet or dry - great for long distance touring on highways too . I have used it earlier in 2.75x18(crux and max-100)size and 3.5x19 size(enfield bullet) . It is still the OE rear tyre type for the bullets including the Thunderbird . In the 3.0x18 size it's a bit bigger(diameter) and heavier than the stock splendor size , so it may effect the pick-up, fuel mileage and clutch/chain-set life just a bit .

Edit:
Another thing I just remembered is that the splendor has 1.6" rims on both wheels for which 2.75x18 is the standard tyre size. 3.0x18 is specified for 1.85" rims, and 2.5x18 for 1.45" rims . So on the stock rims 2.5x18 tyre looks a bit loose (some tiny gap between tyre sidewall and rim where it meets) and 3.0x18 tyre sidewalls bulge outward a bit on the stock 1.6" rims . But that obviously doesn't cause any problems since loads of people use the 3.0x18 on rear of splendor/splendor+/CD and I myself am using the thinner 2.5x18 on splendor rims for 2 years now .

Update form my side;

Today I visit the W.ton to the H.M's spare parts distributer at afternoon with little time to spare from my side so can't hunt anything. Just visit Bansal's counter. It seems they are in good mood....as they got almost no customer at that time.

Passion Pro Clear Lens Indicator = Not Available = Price (Can't comment)

Passion Chain Set = Available for 2001 model = Above 560/- + something = Box contained Front & Rear Sprocket + Hero chain at Pink packet.

There is no other stuff in the box like drum ....and the kit is solely for passion.

As they called "Passion Chain Set"

When I asked the Diamond/Rollon chain they claim those are desi maal, this is from original hero make which last long as it is comes from the factory. Then I said it only last 10k kms where those brand last for at least 50k....they said you just quoting the opposite word and they assure it going to last more than what I said.....Anyway I said I want the Diamond/Rollon chain, if I don't find I will pickup this....and I exit.
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As today I need to perform some other task, so can't go for search....But if I came across ROLON or DIAMOND brand how can I know this is original ? This is the main concern to me. How can I differentiate the Seller is Genuine or Fake as Pinaki Jee already mentioned in his last post.
For that matter is it not advisable to fit HM's sprocket kit - which is genuine hero honda part and fit my bike well.

In Kolkata (specially the area where this market is situated) plenty of fake stuff available unless you know where to look beforehand. The same applicable for Clear Lens Indicator too.

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Thanks shoeb2015 for your post.... I will disconnect the thing for sure no matter of what.

Today I experienced battery failure probably.... Yesterday I drove the bike less than 10 km at night with Head Lamp on...no sign of battery weakness or anything all indicator/Break light/Horn worked fine.

But today when I take it out for the comute, there is no horn without engine support even Green Neutral light can't lit independently, it continues flickering.... sometimes it is so weak can't even seen properly even at dark.

Once the engine on the green neutral glow properly but horn is nil....like I'm driving the bike without battery.

Answers in bold above .

I have mentioned that the ring gap was alright. The gap was about 0.5 mm and was equal in top,middle, bottom.The service limit is 2 mm and after that the engine will consume oil.In the usha bore kit the ring gap was only 0.3 mm but there is no problem and engine feels free to rev. Even though my bike has run for only 400 km after bore replacement and i haven't taken it above 50 kph and never taken to office but i feel that the engine is quite free to rev and also has much better compression than OE bore. In OE bore you have to do run in even the clearance is more than USHA bore.Moreover the usha piston is semi forged and has silicon so it doesn't expands on heating and so runs freely.
It was not because it had gap but one side of bore had worn out and the ring was not touching the bore. The ring was touching three sides of bore but one side was not touching so compression was leaking in between rings and bore.
Regarding the piston groove usually piston grooves doesn't wear out in splendor series engine, so i didn't measure it. Also the grooves if worn will make sound like ring sound in 2 stroke engines but will be more audible as four stroke engines are silent.

No new passions are coming with bigger drums. From 2008 onwards passions are having bigger drums at rear. Yes you have to change all the associated items along with drums.Yes smaller is 110 mm and bigger is 130 mm. There is no need to change the drums just change the brake shoes to ANL or ASK asbestos model and your brake will feel like disc brakes. Believe i have spent many years in finding out difference between OE and replacement parts and i have seen many replacement parts give better performance than OE.You can ask Shoeb who has changed to ANL brake shoes and also i have advised sooraj in Hunk thread to change to KBX pads in HUNK and both (shoeb and sooraj) are happy with their performance. So my advice is to change to other shoes and you will be surprised to see the difference.

Now regarding both your queries my Joy has by default 1.6'' rim and the front tyre is 2.5 x 18'' from factory and the rear was 2.75 x 18'' from factory. But joy is heavier(joy- 118 kg, splendor - 107 kg, passion - 116 kg) so the 2.75 tyre at rear felt puny. Moreover joy has steel mudguard and the rear mudguard is wider than CD 100 SS so you can feel how puny it looked. So i changed the tyre to 3'' rear and have been changing the same size for last 4 changes.
And regarding mileage in fact it increased by 2-3 kpl after up sizing the tyre as the rolling diameter increased, so the engine was running at lesser rpm. Even joy engine runs at lesser rpm at same speed as compared to splendor/passion, due to its 42 teeth it further decreased. There is no problem in these 8 years of 3'' tyre and in fact the bike feels better.Regarding clutch life, my clutch plate lasts for 40k easily and chain sprocket lasts for 60k. I have changed 4 chain sprockets till date and this set is lasting for 82k as i take proper care of cleaning the chain at 6000 km with kerosene and high pressure water and then lubricating with gear oil. And joy has 42 teeth sprocket but there was no adverse effect on up sizing so a splendor with 43 teeth sprocket will have no problem.
Joy has a front 2.50'' tyre by default and the front shock absorber are slightly shorter in length than splendor, so it has a slightly forward weight bias and the 3" tyre at rear further made the weight forward. this set-up of joy in fact makes the bike more comfortable to ride than splendor or passion. The forward weight bias of joy also gives greater stability at high speeds when splendor front feels floaty after 75 kph.

@neel- I never said that you need to change drum or the kit has drum in it.I just told that passion came in two model rear drums larger and smaller. Yours is smaller and when you go to buy chain kit ask for kit of smaller drum as both the kit have different mounting. Or simply ask for 2001 model sprocket kit.
Also ask for couping rubbers which act as damper between sprocket and drum and rear brake shoe as changing sprocket will cause your brake to go loose. Regarding sprocket hero dealer will tell you to go for hero kit but you will see that original fitments comes with diamond or ROLON.And people in the demand for original fit the hero kits and then complain that it didn't last as there original that came with the bike. Always go for this to brands as they are the best and they have also no competitor.
Regarding finding original i have given the phone number of diamond regional office in Kolkatta in my previous post. Call them and ask where to get in your region.I will also ask my retailer friend to tell me how to differentiate between original.
You need the following items-
1. Chain - sprocket kit- diamond Or Rolon.
2. Rubber damper of rear wheel
3. Rear brake shoe(ASK or ANL preferably).

Sibun is absolutely right,we think that OE spares are of best quality because they are slightly expensive when compared to aftermarket spares but this is not true for few parts.

For eg-
Allied Nippon limited(ANL)brake shoes are way better than OE but it costs just Rs.70/-(whereas OE b.shoes costs Rs.95/-).

Thanks sibun sir
Today I changed my engine oil to servo 20w 40, It is performing well same as costly oils,..MY doubt what is the drain interval of this oil?..is it same as the regular oils?..I changed this oil for my yamaha fazer 125 cc too