R&D or the lack of it ...

sorry, but it's hard for me to accept that kind of reasoning. the r&d is supposed to be done BEFORE the bike is launched to the general public. what the heck do they have such a big company for then? if it was a street-corner mech putting out some custom bikes for a few customers, maybe it would make sense. the only reason this half-baked crap works in india is because people accept the same half-baked crap with open arms. heck you even have cash-paying customers defending shoddy design/implementation by the company just because they 'like' the bike. besides, the rtr has been out for over a year now, why haven't they fixed the vibes problem yet? oh right, some people enjoy that too, lol.

let me put it another way, do the first batch owners get a discount because the r&d wasn't complete yet ? i completely believe in constant improvements but that's after an initial, basic acceptable level of quality is achieved. and in that front the rtr(fi) is lacking in many departments.

one thing that must be said is that the fi had a LOT less problems than the 220 when it was first launched, guess TVS learned a few things from the issues the bajaj bike faced.

new buyers: first try the bike out thoroughly before you buy it, this isn't a purchase you want to rush into. you will probably have a love-hate relationship with this babe. also, this isnt a bike for peaceful cruising, say at 50-60kmph. you WILL notice many things you wouldn't like. but it really shines when its past 80-90, pulling strongly all the way past 120. and you will be too busy grinning under your helmet to notice vibes or tappet noise or wrist pain. now THAT'S character .... ;-)

so i guess a 43 teeth is the best as suggested by joel ...
am i right ?

ps - hey joel .. you remember me ?

1) nobody asked you to accept that kind of reasoning, here or elsewhere. But thats beside the point. I am not justifying the defects that ought to have been rectified before the bike is launched. I think this is the way our indian manufacturers work, An engine or component if it works upto atleast 80% requirement it is god for production. They then work on it and the subsequent batches are sorted out. Case in point - Bajaj Pulsar, TVS Apache, Tata Indica. Whereas a mfr like Yamaha comes out with, say an engine which will be 100% perfect when it rolls out of the asembly. any future work on the engine will only be an improvement over 100%. that is their working style. It is sad but that is the way it works out in a cost sensitive market, where even the R&D is depends on the success of the model to sustain itself.

2) like what?

Are you still running on those fat tyres? If yes get them off immediately!
How it broke it a weird for me too! There is a good ICU at Vasai ...
BTW I booked the R15 (for the second time now)


How I wish you were at the SVC, you are convinced about it but the TVS ppl are not

There was a good one liner that Synn had put up on a similar comment for another bike (or was it RTR again)
"Nobody kept a Gun on your head and asked you to buy it, right?"


One things for sure, the RTR has changed my riding style... I am now riding atleast a good +15KMPH from what I used to do earlier....

I seriously wish Synner had a look at this thread!!

agree with @julianpaul

indian mfr's should up their game.. its same of any industry in india and not only unique to the automobile industry.. 'chalta hai' attitude gotta change..

gotta concentrate on quality more than 'value for money'

but then again.. theres no fun if everything is perfect :P

love my beast for what it is

If everything would have been perfect in the automotive world, we wouldn't have heard the word named "Recall".

But sadly in India no body takes the word seriously and people are forced/willingly accept whatever is thrown towards them.So now it has become a relative equation of problems..which means theres' nothing like 100% defect-free bike.Every bike has problems and people compromise over it and accept the positives and weigh them more in their palette.

when people marry and live with 'someone they dont know' all thier life... we can do with a machine which does almost everything right :P

For this I read at orkut - , that this is a problem with small O-Ring or something like that in fuel pump which leads to lesser fuel at lower RPMs and this problem was solved by replacing this ring with a bigger one. Please refer the Orkut thread for more information.

The link redirects to our communities list...

Guys..

does the fuel meter work as expected ?

everytime i switch on the bike.. it shows a different reading...

sometimes.. it jumps from two marks to nothing and the low fuel light gets on.. and after a few kms .. it goes off and the reading is one mark.. something like that..

is this the case with all digital meters or only for tvs ? or only mine !! ?

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+1...........

but the prob seems to dissappear after the first serv................
checked it in 4 fi's,all after the first sev seems to work fine,but mine started to do it today at 3000 Rpm....

there seems to be another prob in the FI.......

the pipe which goes from the fuel filter to the injector unit is lenghty and it's bent real bad and after looking at it i dont think proper fuel supply is goin to the engine and when the tank is lifted it comes back to normal position..
cutting the pipe and re-routing it will be solving it all....
it may be cuz of that too...
i'll be doin it short and refitting it on sun as my tank was full and there's no method to stop the petrol so i've to empty the tank and then do the "operation"....
will keep you posted after doing that....

dont rely on the fuel display.......
it's got mind of its own...
the moment i tank up my bike it shows full till the tank gets dry!!!!!!!

one min it'll show you 5 bars and the next moment when you'll switch the ignition on it'll show you one bar or will show you the full...........

PS:Always maintain min of3 liters of fuel in the tank otherwise the fuel pump will run dry.......the serv manual of RTR FI states this.....