Hello guys, how are you all

Need help, Karizma is not starting, It has been performing absolutely fine, now today when I went to install the battery after recharging it, I heard tik tik sound coming from the engine, It came while kicking or self starting. After few attempts it stopped and now its not willing to start. The kick is also feel lifeless. I checked the spark plug and its getting power properly. Removed the fuel cap to check if there is any air lock issue. But the problem is the kick itself not feeling life to it, its not as free as when we have faulty clutch but its not giving any feedback. I have feeling that something got broken inside, cam chain or something I dont know if it gives this sort of issue without cam chain. What could be problem? Please suggest. Thanks.

Karizma is one of the tall and long bikes of nation, so perfect for those who are round about 6’ tall like me. Body seems carved in the shape of tiger and graphics are featured for sports and racing look. Karizma R users, use only 900ml lubricants engine oil as the manufactures recommends it.

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Round 2 !!

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Oops, just noticed that autocorrect modified psr sir to par sir. Apologies.

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It is not that I can offer solutions, but would like a couple of points cleared.
To which resize did you overbore?
Is the running in period over?
What speeds did you maintain for the first 1000/2000 Kms after rebore?
Was the carb retuned after the rebore?
With a rebored engine, more heat is to be expected. You can try the air filter mod suggested by par sir. I had posted about my DIY.
For oil leaks I guess packings must be changed.

Please post when the issues are rectified and how it was done.

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Can you help to let me know if you find good mechanic in chennai ? Any leads

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Thank you so much for the reply, now I understand it better. I will be purchasing all the parts first then rebuild it myself.

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No clue about Apache's shocks in comparison to the P135 ones as I've only used the latter. You need to ask Akhil to know more as he'd used it on his ZMA.

Stock Height: 11 Inches, P220 Shocks are of identical length, 2.2k a Pair.
+1 Inches: Endurance Shocks on Bajaj Platina Comfortec, 1.5k a Pair
+2 Inches: Endurance Shocks on Bajaj Pulsar 135LS, 2.2k a Pair
+4 Inches: Gabriel Shocks on TVS Phoenix, 1.5k a Pair

Anything over +1 and the main stand won't touch the ground.

You'd need to rebuild the caliper.

Boots are the consumable rubber bits other than the Caliper Seals, observe parts 8 and 9 in the below image;



Do contemplate changing the pins as well if they're grooved.

If at all there is any confusion it'd be cleared on its own with the help of commonsense after you take the caliper apart, it is just that simple a piece of hardware, the only basic understanding you need to have is that the design is called a floating caliper for a reason.

Ideally they should be evenly worn, so its safe to presume that the caliper isn't sliding/floating as per its design which warrants a rebuild.

This is a job best done by oneself and for good reason considering the lackluster attitude of mechanics irrespective of whether its FNG's or ASC's and the criticality of the component at hand.

As I said, this isn't complicated at all, all you need is commonsense.

A thumb rule to follow is to use only 6 point box spanners rather than 12 point ones. And when it comes to torquing a harder metal bolt on a softer metal casing it is only commonsense to use torque moderately. And finally, use threadlocker.

Cheers,
A.P.

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As per your suggestion I checked the caliper its not sliding well along it's studds. Sorry to ask but, I don't know what is boots.

When viewed from front, the right side pad was worn out way more than the left pad.

Can you suggest as to how to rebuild the caliper? I thought I will have to replace the caliper if that's what causing all this trouble. I am okay with having to rebuild the caliper just don't know what to tell the mechanic. Also should I get it done from local mechanic or from authorised service center?

Sorry If I have asked too much. I don't have very good knowledge about service relating to motorcycles.

Thank You.

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Is the rear apache shocks and p135 having same height ?

I'm looking to replace my ZMR shocks and looking for little taller ones than stock but not very tall.

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If you have accelerated pad wear even with a new rotor then you should be looking at whether the caliper is sliding fine along its studs, if not then you need to inspect and replace consumables i.e boots and lube it properly.

Also have a look at whether both pads have equal wear and tear, if its only one of them that has worn out excessively warranting the change you need to inspect the caliper pins for wear.

EDIT: Heck! While you have the caliper off why not simply rebuild it with a new major kit. Give the master cylinder some loving as well.

Ride Safe,
A.P.

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I had replaced both the rotor and pads at the same time at authorised service centre, the pads were completely worn out at 5-6 K kilometres. The rotor has got deep groves on it. I like to think this shouldn't have happened in such short span of riding. Now I have replaced the pads with new one. I used 400 grit sandpaper to clean the rotor and then pads were installed. The authorised service centre didn't have the rotor in stock so I guess when these pads wear out I will have to replace both the rotor and pads.

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That much of less life surely indicates towards some problem in brake . Check rotor/disc plate condition. Rotor is compatible with Honda hornet 160 . Disc pads u can use of tvs apache rtr . But 5000km pad life is a concern get it rectified then change to new pads

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Hi guys, I have a 2005 Hero Honda CBZ Star i know this is a thread for Karizma but i wanted to know your feedback/opinion regarding the front brake pads. I think the Karizma/R and CBZ Star have the same brake pads. I use oem pads which are wearing out very frequently like in 5 thounsand kilometers. So i would like to know from you which brake pads should i go for? Thanks.
P.S. I am mostly using front brake while riding i was thinking of upgrading brakes in my motorcycle. What would you recomend to replace with which parts? I have replaced the rubber brake hose with a steel braided one. I am thinking of changing the master cylinder.

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Buying a ZMA is heart over mind matter.

It is not economically feasible if you intend to haul ass(ride,break,fix,repeat), way too many panels, parts are expensive, sourcing them is a bit of challenge but you can make do with several alternatives.

But in the end there's no motorcycle that can replace the ZMA, it oozes character which many motorcycle simply lack.

I've sold my ZMA when it was nearing the 60k mark on the Odo and I currently have a P220 that's nearing the 60k mark, compared to my ZMA my P220 is the better motorcycle which ever tangible angle you look at it from, be it features, cost effectiveness, spare availability and what not, but I can tell you wholeheartedly that it is a very boring motorcycle and given the chance to go back in time and choose my ZMA over the P220 I would gladly do so.

So simply put, if your heart aches for one, go for it eyes closed!

Ride Safe!
A.P.