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  • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

    Originally posted by xionite View Post
    1. Stefan Bradl on a factory Honda2. Cal Crutchlow on a factory Yamaha3. Casey Stoner on a factory Honda (but i don't think he'd be one up on MM93 in terms of racecraft.)4. Dani Pedrosa on a factory Suzuki in 20155. or we could wait a few years for Romano Fenati to graduate to MotoGP. but none of these guys will beat Marquez if you ask me. not until 2016.
    Can't decide it yet.Yes marc marquez is on a league of his own and he's throwing everything he got on a track without hesitation and so far he's doing really good but comparing to doha/losail circuit race in qatar till now recently he's starting to struggle to win which makes watching motogp really interesting right now.He's the charm of the moto gp so hope he won't make any mistake.Like in last race in catalunya when dany pedrosa was really poking his finger on marquez ass and he was really trying to get away.That was fun to watch.
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    • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

      Originally posted by nirvaana View Post
      And why do you think he will perform on a Suzuki when he is unable to give his best on the best bike at the moment?
      the RCV is the only bike anyone's ever seen DP ride his whole career... i'm sure he'll do really well on a Suzuki too. (unless they don't have a competitive bike from year one)

      and DP has always given his best. he came into the 250 class with two broken ankles and barely had any pre-season testing and won the title right-away and the following year too. zero other riders have done that.

      it's common knowledge that he's just had dratted luck in the premier class. and he's virtually finished 2nd or 3rd in the championship almost every year in MotoGP.

      that's made him the closest "threat" to (Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Marquez) all the championship campaigns over the last 7-8 years.

      maybe a ride with Suzuki could change that. maybe not.

      Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
      Interesting. But why leave out Rossi and Lorenzo on the factory Yamahas and Pedrosa on the second HRC machine, I'd say these three have much better chances of being able to fight MM than Bradl or Crutchlow (on any bike).
      I left Rossi out because he's only won one race (at Assen last year) out of his last 65 races in almost 5 years. (wow, just typing that out felt horrible)
      And that one win came when he tussled with Marquez. Yes, VR will most def be MM's closest rival this year. And I can hardly wait for him to break MM's winning streak.
      But it's also very possible that that will never happen.

      Form. it's something that's very important in racing. and jLo is nowhere near the form MM is in. specially mentally, this year.

      With regard to mental form. 2014 belongs to VR and MM. in that order.

      Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
      Stoner... that's another story, albeit unfortunately a rather improbable one atm. Stoner likes to ride alone (and my goodnes is he fast... could still be the fastest rider on earth), but he doesn't like racing others, and positively hates the social side of being a professional rider. Too bad.
      Marquez' toughest competitor is probably going to be old Rossi this season.
      Stoner was mad fast... and it would have been a dream to see him fight for the championship with MM on identical bikes.
      But Marquez is just plain mad. He's a freak. I don't think Stoner would have been able to battle with him over the course of an entire season.

      The reason I said Bradl because i've always believed satellite bikes kill a racers spirit.
      Bradl on the Repsol Honda would be a more even playing field to challenge MM. The guy is brilliant.
      There's nothing worse that knowing you have no chance of winning the championship or ever really challenging for a win because your equipment is "inferior".

      That's exactly what's happening to Crutchlow right now. He finished 5th last year...
      which is essentially the best position he could have finished... with the factory Yammies and Hondas taking up the first four position n the championship.

      He will be bad-ass on a factory M1.
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      Last edited by xionite; 06-26-2014, 01:38 PM. Reason: typo
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      • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

        Originally posted by xionite View Post
        the RCV is the only bike anyone's ever seen DP ride his whole career... i'm sure he'll do really well on a Suzuki too. (unless they don't have a competitive bike from year one)

        and DP has always given his best. he came into the 250 class with two broken ankles and barely had any pre-season testing and won the title right-away and the following year too. zero other riders have done that.

        it's common knowledge that he's just had dratted luck in the premier class. and he's virtually finished 2nd or 3rd in the championship almost every year in MotoGP.

        that's made him the closest "threat" to (Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and Marquez) all the championship campaigns over the last 7-8 years.

        maybe a ride with Suzuki could change that. maybe not.



        I left Rossi out because he's only won one race (at Assen last year) out of his last 65 races in almost 5 years. (wow, just typing that out felt horrible)
        And that one win came when he tussled with Marquez. Yes, VR will most def be MM's closest rival this year. And I can hardly wait for him to break MM's winning streak.
        But it's also very possible that that will never happen.

        Form. it's something that's very important in racing. and jLo is nowhere near the form MM is in. specially mentally, this year.

        With regard to mental form. 2014 belongs to VR and MM. in that order.



        Stoner was mad fast... and it would have been a dream to see him fight for the championship with MM on identical bikes.
        But Marquez is just plain mad. He's a freak. I don't think Stoner would have been able to battle with him over the course of an entire season.

        The reason I said Bradl because i've always believed satellite bikes kill a racers spirit.
        Bradl on the Repsol Honda would be a more even playing field to challenge MM. The guy is brilliant.
        There's nothing worse that knowing you have no chance of winning the championship or ever really challenging for a win because your equipment is "inferior".

        That's exactly what's happening to Crutchlow right now. He finished 5th last year...
        which is essentially the best position he could have finished... with the factory Yammies and Hondas taking up the first four position n the championship.

        He will be bad-ass on a factory M1.
        .

        You may be overrating Bradl. He rides a full factory spec Honda, just like Bautista. Any performance difference of these two bikes with HRC depends on the team (which is very important) and the rider, rather than the bike itself. Maybe LCR and Gresini receive some updates a little later, but that's all. Remember what Simoncelli was able to do on a 'satellite' Honda.

        Same for Crutchlow. He always lost to Dovi, whenever they have been on the same bike. So why should he do better than Dovi on a factory machine? Dovi was in the HRC team for years, where he established a reputation for his development skills - but could bag only 1 win. Would Crutch do any better? Don't think so.

        The Espargaro brothers are much more promising than either Bradl or Crutchlow.
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        • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

          Eagerly waiting for the Race day.. wanna see Rossi winning the Assen Circuit once again..:thumbup:
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          • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

            Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
            You may be overrating Bradl. He rides a full factory spec Honda, just like Bautista. Any performance difference of these two bikes with HRC depends on the team (which is very important) and the rider, rather than the bike itself. Maybe LCR and Gresini receive some updates a little later, but that's all. Remember what Simoncelli was able to do on a 'satellite' Honda.
            so... would it be right to say Marquez would have won the championship in his rookie year even if he was on an LCR Honda in 2013?

            Would he have managed to fend off VR, JL and DP for the entire 2013 season on a "satellite" bike?

            I think it's safe to assume that having a factory ride had a little to do with his winning the title in his rookie year.


            Bradl and Marquez went head to in 2011 in Moto2... and the german came out on top.
            Irrespective of MM's crash... Bradl would have still clinched the title that year.
            Hence I say... Bradl would do well with a factory ride.

            And when i say factory ride... i do mean the budget that comes with it to afford great tech support in terms of being able to afford a "good team."

            Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
            Same for Crutchlow. He always lost to Dovi, whenever they have been on the same bike. So why should he do better than Dovi on a factory machine? Dovi was in the HRC team for years, where he established a reputation for his development skills - but could bag only 1 win. Would Crutch do any better? Don't think so.
            all true yeah. but i'd still think CC would do well on a factory M1. He just needs to learn to not crash. ala JL in his initial years in motoGP.

            Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
            The Espargaro brothers are much more promising than either Bradl or Crutchlow.
            Aleix Espargaro hasn't had a top 10 finish in a championship for the entire duration of his 10 year career. he has no place on a factory bike.

            haha. that may be a little harsh considering his free-practice lap-times this season.

            Pol on the other hand is definitely more promising.
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            • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

              Yamaha brought 3 new-short exhausts to Assen and handed over 2 to Lorenzo's crew and gave 1 to Rossi's. So, essentially, his crew can plonk the new exhaust on only one of the bikes.
              WTF was that?!

              Source: David Emmett

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              • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                Originally posted by Makky View Post
                Yamaha brought 3 new-short exhausts to Assen and handed over 2 to Lorenzo's crew and gave 1 to Rossi's. So, essentially, his crew can plonk the new exhaust on only one of the bikes.
                WTF was that?!

                Source: David Emmett
                Here is the quote from Emmet's thrusday roundup as to why VR got only one of the three exhaust pipes,
                Why had Yamaha given Lorenzo two exhausts, but not Rossi? Perhaps to compensate for giving Rossi two copies of the revised frame several races ago, while Lorenzo had been forced to manage with one. Sometimes maintaining the illusion of scrupulous fairness between teammates requires you to take extraordinary steps.
                Sounds all fair to me.

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                • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                  Originally posted by samschenker View Post
                  Here is the quote from Emmet's thrusday roundup as to why VR got only one of the three exhaust pipes,


                  Sounds all fair to me.
                  Not taking Rossi's side, mate.

                  If both Lorenzo and Rossi could test the new exhausts at Barcelona, it's not that hard for Yamaha's manufacturing division to make 4-5 instead of 3, right?

                  If they were to face a problem with producing 4 exhausts, Yamaha could have put all of them into Lorenzo's bag and asked Rossi not to think about it.

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                  • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                    Originally posted by xionite View Post
                    so... would it be right to say Marquez would have won the championship in his rookie year even if he was on an LCR Honda in 2013?

                    Would he have managed to fend off VR, JL and DP for the entire 2013 season on a "satellite" bike?

                    I think it's safe to assume that having a factory ride had a little to do with his winning the title in his rookie year.


                    Bradl and Marquez went head to in 2011 in Moto2... and the german came out on top.
                    Irrespective of MM's crash... Bradl would have still clinched the title that year.
                    Hence I say... Bradl would do well with a factory ride.

                    And when i say factory ride... i do mean the budget that comes with it to afford great tech support in terms of being able to afford a "good team."



                    all true yeah. but i'd still think CC would do well on a factory M1. He just needs to learn to not crash. ala JL in his initial years in motoGP.



                    Aleix Espargaro hasn't had a top 10 finish in a championship for the entire duration of his 10 year career. he has no place on a factory bike.

                    haha. that may be a little harsh considering his free-practice lap-times this season.

                    Pol on the other hand is definitely more promising.
                    .
                    So let's recap, the Hondas of Cecchinello and Gresini are full factory spec. = they are the same, hardware and software, as the HRC machines. Give one of those to MM93 (and to his team of course) and he would perform in the same way, with a different sponsor on the fairing. I repeat, the team is very important -- and HRC have some of the best men around.

                    Would Marquez have won the title in his rookie year, if given Bradl's bike? My answer is why not, if he had the same team he had at HRC (which was Stoner's team, that had followed him from Ducati). His performance would have been the same. But then, who would have been on Stoner's ex-bike? That would be a more important variable. Had they given it to Rossi, well, Marc would have had tougher competition.

                    A good point of having a factory ride, is that you take that bike (and team) away from another top rider...

                    All this means that yes, being in factory team is an advantage, but it is not sufficient for winning races and titles. The rider is still very important in motorcycle racing. And when the rider is that good, everything is possible.
                    Last edited by J4rn0; 06-27-2014, 04:26 PM.
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                    • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                      Originally posted by samschenker View Post
                      Here is the quote from Emmet's thrusday roundup as to why VR got only one of the three exhaust pipes,


                      Sounds all fair to me.
                      Originally posted by Makky View Post
                      Not taking Rossi's side, mate.

                      If both Lorenzo and Rossi could test the new exhausts at Barcelona, it's not that hard for Yamaha's manufacturing division to make 4-5 instead of 3, right?

                      If they were to face a problem with producing 4 exhausts, Yamaha could have put all of them into Lorenzo's bag and asked Rossi not to think about it.
                      Alright, Rossi himself said that Yamaha handed him only 1 new frame, not 2 at Le Mans.

                      Last edited by Makky; 06-27-2014, 04:40 PM.

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                      • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                        Originally posted by Makky View Post
                        Alright, Rossi himself said that Yamaha handed him only 1 new frame, not 2 at Le Mans.
                        Didn't meant to say you are taking Rossi's side, just quoted the entire text from the article
                        why Yamaha was not able to produce enough exhausts for both riders is anybody's guess, probably not enough time(?)

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                        • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                          the factory yamahas at today's qualifying = lol :-D

                          those 2 never even got a chance to attempt a fast lap.

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                          • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                            Bad weather... worst qualifying... The FP4 best timing was 1.33' mins when it comes in Qualifying the timing was 1.38' mins lol...

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                              I have never liked the new qualifying format ever.
                              Contribute to the environment.

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                              • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                                6 more laps to go and Marcus is definitely set the track on fire, a dog fight between the Repsol and Ducati! Awesome manouvere there by Marcus to take the lead!

                                Impressive comeback by Rossi too,

                                Update: It's Marucs! 8th straight win in a row and youngest MotoGP champion. Just superb
                                Last edited by sparky; 06-28-2014, 07:35 PM.

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