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  • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

    Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
    And anyway Pedrosa who is a great rider cannot even stay close to Marquez on the same bike
    it's important to remember that pedrosa has been having arm pump issues for the last few races, and earlier he had tyre issues as well.

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    • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

      Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
      The average top speed in this GP by Lorenzo has been 333 Kmh, while Marquez clocked an average top speed of 337.4. If you consider also Valentino, who had an average top speed of 338.5 on the same Yamaha as Jorge's, you can see it was mainly a result of tall gear choices and slipstreaming. An area where the Honda can use its power better than the Yamaha is in corner exit, the Hondas accelerate better out of the corners but there it is mainly a matter of electronics, frame efficiency and rider's skill in getting the bike up early, since no MotoGP bike can put all their power to the ground when exiting corners. And anyway Pedrosa who is a great rider cannot even stay close to Marquez on the same bike, -- without Marquez we would now be speaking of Yamaha as the best bike, probably. HOnda has something more apparently, but Marc Marquez is making the difference there, no doubt about this.

      Yeah, i mean in the last race at Mugello Lorenzo was riding at his best , but still when it comes to straight or corner exiting Yamaha was struggling to keep up with there rivals Honda, what actually is there problem, whether it is that of Gb or the fuel management electronics is best known to them but this problem is with them from quite some years now, last year also they were not able to catch Honda and same this year, and then who knows if it was not marquez then Dani might have been putting up this show.It's demoralising for Jorge as he wants to win desparately and there is also rumour of him shifting to Ducati when his contract expires.

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      • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

        Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
        The average top speed in this GP by Lorenzo has been 333 Kmh, while Marquez clocked an average top speed of 337.4. If you consider also Valentino, who had an average top speed of 338.5 on the same Yamaha as Jorge's, you can see it was mainly a result of tall gear choices and slipstreaming. An area where the Honda can use its power better than the Yamaha is in corner exit, the Hondas accelerate better out of the corners but there it is mainly a matter of electronics, frame efficiency and rider's skill in getting the bike up early, since no MotoGP bike can put all their power to the ground when exiting corners. And anyway Pedrosa who is a great rider cannot even stay close to Marquez on the same bike, -- without Marquez we would now be speaking of Yamaha as the best bike, probably. HOnda has something more apparently, but Marc Marquez is making the difference there, no doubt about this.
        Yes dear one thing you said is right... Honda's shows better performance in corner exit than Yamaha.. Thats why Marq makes his opponent lead very easily... but sometimes he covering each corners carelessly it may leads to crash.. no matter for him he is riding the bike like a ROCKET Lol...

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        • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

          Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post
          it's important to remember that pedrosa has been having arm pump issues for the last few races, and earlier he had tyre issues as well.
          That's fair enough, and it's true that Pedro (one of the most technically perfect riders ever seen) has been plagued by injuries and bad luck in most of his MotoGP career -- fact remains that even last year when Marc was still a rookie Pedrosa couldn't do much to stop him.
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          • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

            Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post
            it's important to remember that pedrosa has been having arm pump issues for the last few races, and earlier he had tyre issues as well.
            Mate, he already had a surgery for the arm pump issue few weeks back though not recovered completely.



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            • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

              Originally posted by nirvaana View Post
              Mate, he already had a surgery for the arm pump issue few weeks back though not recovered completely.
              yeah i meant to include the post-surgery problems/pain in the arm in the "arm pump issues" part of my statement but forgot to explicitly write that ;-)

              after the race there emerged a pic of his hand showing all the staples or threading on his arm sewn back.

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              Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
              fact remains that even last year when Marc was still a rookie Pedrosa couldn't do much to stop him.
              true story.

              i don't believe pedrosa has it in himself to really challenge marquez ever...maybe just once sometime in the bestest of his days, but no more than that...so far since marquez arrived with honda last yr, only lorenzo has been able to seriously challenge and/or beat marc in several occasions (am including the last season's races), even beating him at close last lap racing once last season and nearly doing the same 2 days ago while making marc work really really hard to earn his win..dani doesnt have it in himself.

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              • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                I think it's just a mental stature in which Dani is right now that is preventing him to win or an podium finish, Honda would have given both of the riders equivalent equipment it's just that who is able to harness the full potential of the equipment, a single win or a podium finish will work wonder for Pedrosa and suddenly he will be like different rider altogether.

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                • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                  Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post
                  true story.

                  i don't believe pedrosa has it in himself to really challenge marquez ever...maybe just once sometime in the bestest of his days, but no more than that...so far since marquez arrived with honda last yr, only lorenzo has been able to seriously challenge and/or beat marc in several occasions (am including the last season's races), even beating him at close last lap racing once last season and nearly doing the same 2 days ago while making marc work really really hard to earn his win..dani doesnt have it in himself.
                  Don't discount the might of Dani Pedrosa last year when he was awesome. Even beating Lorenzo to the 2nd spot many a times. In fact, he was leading the championship last year if only not for the aquaplaning incident which both Lorenzo & Pedrosa suffered at Assen which left them both missing GP's & ultimately losing points in the championship to MM93 & thereby increasing the rookie's confidence!! Also, in some circuits like Malaysia, even the prodigal MM93 bites the dust against DP26 where he has won for the past 3 years.

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                  • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                    in pretty much every season, injuries or nor, dani is unbeatable or "awesome" just for a couple of races at most..that doesnt win anyone a championship..i do like him very much, dont think i dont like him..i usually support him more than marquez if they are found to be dicing with each other....but he never appeared as someone with that extra something to win a title, neither mentally nor racing-wise...latter half of 2012 (when he really rode like someone finally resembling a champion-like in him) was a bit of an exception but there were several significant reasons that played his way that time about which i needn't write here :-)

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                    • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                      superb performances from MM93 this year.

                      Lorenzo really took things up several notches at Mugello... a real display of grit on his part.
                      I'm sure it'll do wonders for his confidence. master class.

                      Dani Pedrosa has always been a BRILLIANT rider... but things have never seemed to work in his favour over the course of an entire season.
                      With the current crop of riders, I honestly believe, DP26 will never be world champion again.

                      (Not until the ECU and tire changes in 2016, and that's only IF he still has a decent ride.)

                      I remember watching him live at Sepang last year, and man was he fast. MM93 didn't stand a chance.

                      I would really love to see Lorenzo ride for Honda next year, but that's not going to happen.


                      When Stoner announced he was quitting, it was a huge loss for MotoGP.
                      Marc Marquez has the great Casey Stoner to thank for his sweet success,
                      without whom MM93 would be riding the rails of a "crappy" satellite bike, finishing races with Bradl/Smith/Iannone/Redding

                      Rookies have really got to be given more chances directly on factory bikes, way before their spirits are crushed on satellite bikes.

                      Here's hoping for more JL vs MM scraps all thru the rest of the season.

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                      • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                        Originally posted by xionite View Post
                        superb performances from MM93 this year.

                        Lorenzo really took things up several notches at Mugello... a real display of grit on his part.
                        I'm sure it'll do wonders for his confidence. master class.

                        Dani Pedrosa has always been a BRILLIANT rider... but things have never seemed to work in his favour over the course of an entire season.
                        With the current crop of riders, I honestly believe, DP26 will never be world champion again.

                        (Not until the ECU and tire changes in 2016, and that's only IF he still has a decent ride.)

                        I remember watching him live at Sepang last year, and man was he fast. MM93 didn't stand a chance.

                        I would really love to see Lorenzo ride for Honda next year, but that's not going to happen.


                        When Stoner announced he was quitting, it was a huge loss for MotoGP.
                        Marc Marquez has the great Casey Stoner to thank for his sweet success,
                        without whom MM93 would be riding the rails of a "crappy" satellite bike, finishing races with Bradl/Smith/Iannone/Redding

                        Rookies have really got to be given more chances directly on factory bikes, way before their spirits are crushed on satellite bikes.

                        Here's hoping for more JL vs MM scraps all thru the rest of the season.

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                        This race reminded me of Lorenzo's ride at Valencia.
                        Would love to see this kind of race even in the next races
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                        • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                          what's the actual problem with ducati, is it the chassis, rossi also complained that he is not getting enough feedback from the front end of the bike, bike just dosen't wants to turn and once the bike leans into the corner than again it's hard to get out the bike from the turn, they have such a potent engine still they are struggling not even close to the top manufacuterers, and every rider who rides ducati finds himself lagging behind on the grid and in the race.

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                          • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                            Originally posted by kusmaker View Post
                            what's the actual problem with ducati
                            When Ducati themselves do not know the actual problem how would we? ;-)
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                            • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                              Originally posted by nirvaana View Post
                              When Ducati themselves do not know the actual problem how would we? ;-)

                              Hehe rightly said man.

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                              • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                                Originally posted by nirvaana View Post
                                When Ducati themselves do not know the actual problem how would we? ;-)
                                They know the problem, it can be simplified in one word: 'understeer'. The cure is not as simple though, as it involves all the geometries of the bike and the variables are many and complicated, and every change you make in one point has collateral effects on all other points. To appreciate things correctly, it is necessary to remember that we are speaking of the pinnacle of motorcycle racing here, not of any ordinary race bike dynamics: at this level all the bikes on the grid are exceedingly capable and any real difference between one or the other emerges only when you push these 240 bhp monsters close to the limit, something only a few riders in the world can effectively do: in other words the Ducati handles perfectly well until let's say 95% of its potential, and only when you push it that last critical 5% (which makes the difference between a podium position and an 8th place) these problems come up. Let us not forget also that Ducati never used an aluminium twin-spar frame before 2012: the Japanese have over 30 years of experience racing with this kind of frames.
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