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  • Originally posted by Jithu View Post
    Just answer me one question i will explain the Mojo- Pulsor thing.

    How you justify the Ninja being priced 3 Lakh ?
    In your perspective it is just 30 cc more 10 Bhp more than P220 .
    Dude Bhp and CC is not the only thing that defines a bike.
    Your question reminds me another question i read in xbhp "Why buy a 300 cc bike for 1.75 lakh when you get a Car (600 cc ) for 1 Lakh ?"
    Hi Jithu, i am sure now that you posted this comment without reading mine... Please reread it as you have missed something. I already wrote about the tax thing or else you would be playing around with Ninja 250 at just 158K.
    Today we pay 300K for Ninja just because we have to pay 100% tax on it and that's different story. Why would i pay 190K for 300CC single cylinder mile, when it's going to be produced in India.

    The major question i was asking during the whole time (and i am sure i was not that clear) is that what's so special about the Mojo that Ninja doesn't have. Because i am sure if it weren't for the dam tax, i would be playing around with Ninja 250... I hope, question is more clear now.
    My thoughts are subjected to personal experiences/internet articles. Please read my comment carefully before replying. :)

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    • Originally posted by jigar2speed View Post
      Today we pay 300K for Ninja just because we have to pay 100% tax on it and that's different story. Why would i pay 190K for 300CC single cylinder mile, when it's going to be produced in India.
      But think of this: Most of the parts used in the Mojo are also imported. The forks, discs, EFI, most possibly the engine too.

      Maybe all that is "Made in India" is the frame and bodywork...

      In such a case the import duty on parts (which is lesser than CBU import duty but still substantial) is what is making the bike a bit expensive.
      200 | 300 | 1200 BOXER

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      • Originally posted by jigar2speed View Post
        Hi Jithu, i am sure now that you posted this comment without reading mine... Please reread it as you have missed something. I already wrote about the tax thing or else you would be playing around with Ninja 250 at just 158K.
        Today we pay 300K for Ninja just because we have to pay 100% tax on it and that's different story. Why would i pay 190K for 300CC single cylinder mile, when it's going to be produced in India.

        The major question i was asking during the whole time (and i am sure i was not that clear) is that what's so special about the Mojo that Ninja doesn't have. Because i am sure if it weren't for the dam tax, i would be playing around with Ninja 250... I hope, question is more clear now.
        Hi Jigar, I just wanted to help you understand that the ONLY difference between the BAJAJ Pulsar 220 and the MOJO from Mahindra, is PURELY QUALITY, Pulsar parts are economical(cheap) because they're made right here in India by our trusty metal workers and machinery, and let's face it the Engine isn't very refined, compared to lets say a Karizma Even? And I think a lot of people see it that way too...thats because of the quality of the parts used. For eg. a hero honda karizma swing arm is Rs1300 and a Pulsar swing arm is Rs375!!! The company isn't doing it for You! They can afford to price it that low coz of the quality of parts used. So parts like the USD forks (Which I've never seen on Your precious BAJAJ PULSAR 220F use till date), the gigantic petal discs and 300cc mill all being made in Italy and the likes sure as hell won't come cheap!!! Also what brand of Fuel Injection did the original 220 use? Anyway it shows how good it was coz they made the faster version without it! This bike has EFI from DUCATI! YEAH DUCATI! oh what did I say? DUCATI!!! Besides the handling of that bike mating the Pirelli Sport Demon 140/60/17"'s the USD front Fork, The GAS CHARGED HORIZONTALLY MOUNTED MONOSHOCK Never seen that before?!?! ...and an equallly capable rider would slice the competition into smitherines, and thats why this Mahindra MOJO is SOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE, its not quantity BUT QUALITY the price represents and I'm sure for a lot of us thats the bigger picture :-)...and as for the Ninja Yeah its got a paralell twin engine and ninja styling but where did they putthe digital meters and upside down forks on that bike? Hmmmmm...Maybe they forgot? Hope this answers Your Questions Friend...and as always this is just my opinion Please take no offense :-) ...Besides this is a Premium offering
        Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure.

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        • Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post
          Hi Jigar, I just wanted to help you understand that the ONLY difference between the BAJAJ Pulsar 220 and the MOJO from Mahindra, is PURELY QUALITY, Pulsar parts are economical(cheap) because they're made right here in India by our trusty metal workers and machinery, and let's face it the Engine isn't very refined, compared to lets say a Karizma Even? And I think a lot of people see it that way too...thats because of the quality of the parts used. For eg. a hero honda karizma swing arm is Rs1300 and a Pulsar swing arm is Rs375!!! The company isn't doing it for You! They can afford to price it that low coz of the quality of parts used. So parts like the USD forks (Which I've never seen on Your precious BAJAJ PULSAR 220F use till date), the gigantic petal discs and 300cc mill all being made in Italy and the likes sure as hell won't come cheap!!! Also what brand of Fuel Injection did the original 220 use? Anyway it shows how good it was coz they made the faster version without it! This bike has EFI from DUCATI! YEAH DUCATI! oh what did I say? DUCATI!!! Besides the handling of that bike mating the Pirelli Sport Demon 140/60/17"'s the USD front Fork, The GAS CHARGED HORIZONTALLY MOUNTED MONOSHOCK Never seen that before?!?! ...and an equallly capable rider would slice the competition into smitherines, and thats why this Mahindra MOJO is SOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE, its not quantity BUT QUALITY the price represents and I'm sure for a lot of us thats the bigger picture :-)...and as for the Ninja Yeah its got a paralell twin engine and ninja styling but where did they putthe digital meters and upside down forks on that bike? Hmmmmm...Maybe they forgot? Hope this answers Your Questions Friend...and as always this is just my opinion Please take no offense :-) ...Besides this is a Premium offering
          Absolute genius answer, oh my god i have seen the light. Thanks a lot.


          PS: I own a R15.

          EDIT: Sarcasm aside, let's get on the serious side of the discussion.

          You have really got to be kidding me, when you say this bike has all sort of imports in it.

          Dude, my argument here is that even with the high end price + high end imports, the pony is making 25BHP, is it worth to accept this trend ?

          Price could have been controlled, R15 has MRF tyres and it does dam good job.

          Anyway, i will leave this thread from here as it's mute point and i will never be convinced about this bike and that's just me. BTW, please go ahead, if you think the bike is worth your bank.
          Last edited by jigar2speed; 10-06-2010, 11:30 PM.
          My thoughts are subjected to personal experiences/internet articles. Please read my comment carefully before replying. :)

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          • Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post
            Hi Jigar, I just wanted to help you understand that the ONLY difference between the BAJAJ Pulsar 220 and the MOJO from Mahindra, is PURELY QUALITY, Pulsar parts are economical(cheap) because they're made right here in India by our trusty metal workers and machinery, and let's face it the Engine isn't very refined, compared to lets say a Karizma Even? And I think a lot of people see it that way too...thats because of the quality of the parts used. For eg. a hero honda karizma swing arm is Rs1300 and a Pulsar swing arm is Rs375!!! The company isn't doing it for You! They can afford to price it that low coz of the quality of parts used. So parts like the USD forks (Which I've never seen on Your precious BAJAJ PULSAR 220F use till date), the gigantic petal discs and 300cc mill all being made in Italy and the likes sure as hell won't come cheap!!! Also what brand of Fuel Injection did the original 220 use? Anyway it shows how good it was coz they made the faster version without it! This bike has EFI from DUCATI! YEAH DUCATI! oh what did I say? DUCATI!!! Besides the handling of that bike mating the Pirelli Sport Demon 140/60/17"'s the USD front Fork, The GAS CHARGED HORIZONTALLY MOUNTED MONOSHOCK Never seen that before?!?! ...and an equallly capable rider would slice the competition into smitherines, and thats why this Mahindra MOJO is SOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE, its not quantity BUT QUALITY the price represents and I'm sure for a lot of us thats the bigger picture :-)...and as for the Ninja Yeah its got a paralell twin engine and ninja styling but where did they putthe digital meters and upside down forks on that bike? Hmmmmm...Maybe they forgot? Hope this answers Your Questions Friend...and as always this is just my opinion Please take no offense :-) ...Besides this is a Premium offering
            joshzma: One question. Do you own a mojo. If yes, wow
            If no, then let it first come into the market. Just saying "Ducati" doesn't mean anything. You really have taken armchair talk to a higher level by concluding that ninja doesn't compare to the mojo because it doesn't have digital meters and USD forks !!!

            Please note: Upper case letters are considered shouting on this forum and its not appreciated.

            @jigar2speed: Nice one :-)

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            • Originally posted by jigar2speed View Post
              Hi Jithu, i am sure now that you posted this comment without reading mine... Please reread it as you have missed something. I already wrote about the tax thing or else you would be playing around with Ninja 250 at just 158K.
              Today we pay 300K for Ninja just because we have to pay 100% tax on it and that's different story. Why would i pay 190K for 300CC single cylinder mile, when it's going to be produced in India.

              The major question i was asking during the whole time (and i am sure i was not that clear) is that what's so special about the Mojo that Ninja doesn't have. Because i am sure if it weren't for the dam tax, i would be playing around with Ninja 250... I hope, question is more clear now.
              ohk.. I Got your question ... you are telling as the bike is made in india (which is not like Ninja) it should be priced less right?
              i think the above post answered that . The bike has many parts which is imported and costlier (including Tyre , see others like TVS manufacture their own tyres and reduce the cost but you cannot compare the quality of Pirally with TVS tyres that is the difference ) .
              If all of those are made by mahindra the point made by you will be very valid .
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              • Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post
                Hi Jigar, I just wanted to help you understand that the ONLY difference between the BAJAJ Pulsar 220 and the MOJO from Mahindra, is PURELY QUALITY, Pulsar parts are economical(cheap) because they're made right here in India by our trusty metal workers and machinery, and let's face it the Engine isn't very refined, compared to lets say a Karizma Even? And I think a lot of people see it that way too...thats because of the quality of the parts used. For eg. a hero honda karizma swing arm is Rs1300 and a Pulsar swing arm is Rs375!!! The company isn't doing it for You! They can afford to price it that low coz of the quality of parts used. So parts like the USD forks (Which I've never seen on Your precious BAJAJ PULSAR 220F use till date), the gigantic petal discs and 300cc mill all being made in Italy and the likes sure as hell won't come cheap!!! Also what brand of Fuel Injection did the original 220 use? Anyway it shows how good it was coz they made the faster version without it! This bike has EFI from DUCATI! YEAH DUCATI! oh what did I say? DUCATI!!! Besides the handling of that bike mating the Pirelli Sport Demon 140/60/17"'s the USD front Fork, The GAS CHARGED HORIZONTALLY MOUNTED MONOSHOCK Never seen that before?!?! ...and an equallly capable rider would slice the competition into smitherines, and thats why this Mahindra MOJO is SOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE, its not quantity BUT QUALITY the price represents and I'm sure for a lot of us thats the bigger picture :-)...and as for the Ninja Yeah its got a paralell twin engine and ninja styling but where did they putthe digital meters and upside down forks on that bike? Hmmmmm...Maybe they forgot? Hope this answers Your Questions Friend...and as always this is just my opinion Please take no offense :-) ...Besides this is a Premium offering
                Nice answer .. but i will say lets hold our word till we have see how this bike perform on road .
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                • Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post
                  Hi Jigar, I just wanted to help you understand that the ONLY difference between the BAJAJ Pulsar 220 and the MOJO from Mahindra, is PURELY QUALITY, Pulsar parts are economical(cheap) because they're made right here in India by our trusty metal workers and machinery, and let's face it the Engine isn't very refined, compared to lets say a Karizma Even? And I think a lot of people see it that way too...thats because of the quality of the parts used. For eg. a hero honda karizma swing arm is Rs1300 and a Pulsar swing arm is Rs375!!! The company isn't doing it for You! They can afford to price it that low coz of the quality of parts used. So parts like the USD forks (Which I've never seen on Your precious BAJAJ PULSAR 220F use till date), the gigantic petal discs and 300cc mill all being made in Italy and the likes sure as hell won't come cheap!!! Also what brand of Fuel Injection did the original 220 use? Anyway it shows how good it was coz they made the faster version without it! This bike has EFI from DUCATI! YEAH DUCATI! oh what did I say? DUCATI!!! Besides the handling of that bike mating the Pirelli Sport Demon 140/60/17"'s the USD front Fork, The GAS CHARGED HORIZONTALLY MOUNTED MONOSHOCK Never seen that before?!?! ...and an equallly capable rider would slice the competition into smitherines, and thats why this Mahindra MOJO is SOOOOOOO EXPENSIVE, its not quantity BUT QUALITY the price represents and I'm sure for a lot of us thats the bigger picture :-)...and as for the Ninja Yeah its got a paralell twin engine and ninja styling but where did they putthe digital meters and upside down forks on that bike? Hmmmmm...Maybe they forgot? Hope this answers Your Questions Friend...and as always this is just my opinion Please take no offense :-) ...Besides this is a Premium offering
                  No its NOT. Who told you that? it costs 990. And it is of the proper quality, strength and finish.[talking about the swingarm]
                  The Ninja can still kick Mojo's ass without a digital speedometer and USD forks and 50cc less[obviously coz of the parallel twin].But I am pro Indian. be Indian buy Indian is what I follow. So lets just wait for the Mojo to come out on the streets and then make comparisons as fancy gadgetery is not essential to make a bike go faster. This has been proved by both TVS and Bajaj by chucking out the FI from their flagship models and still making them better than their FI'ed counterparts.
                  See..premium offering and all is fine. But since it is priced so expensive, it would have been better if it was a bit more powerful.Maybe they will improve it further when it is actually brought into the market. Lets see how it goes. but as someone pointed it out here, this bike has to sell like crazy. That will motivate other biggies to launch their biggies here.
                  What's with people pointing out flaws like an edgy weld or some 2 or 3 small scratches on the gear pedal? As if your bikes didn't have such flaws even when they were new. And this was not even the final version. It was just the launch prototype as MG said.

                  So chill guys. Let's just wait for the first impressions and ride reports.

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                  • we're going to be seeing 3 moths of this.

                    by Jan we'll have a lot more to compare it to.

                    The BIG Pulsar. The Big Honda. The big Yamaha. The BIGGER Apache too.
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                    • @jigar2speed
                      I'm sorry if You were offended by my bluntness...All I'm trying to say is that its not the bhp of the bike that decides the price, its the R&D and the quality of parts that go into a bike that make it get priced high. And I'm sure that Mahindra knows what they're getting into they know they're a new player and that everyone will question the price so why would they set themselves up to fail you ask? Well I think they believe in their product and are not here to fail miserably, so the price is comparable to a Comet? So what I'm sure it's justifiable. And please Jigar2speed I didn't mean to create a clash here You have an R15 and I use to have a Karizma but it was stolen, so I'm no one to talk down on You or your machine, I didn't even realise really! So peace Jigar no hard feelings eh? I just feel strongly for this bike as it incorporates certain elements like the USD etc which I personally Love, and I'm sure once the Bikes Out even You may like it Yourself only time will tell. So please don't stop giving your advice out here, coz if we don't question the truth we may never really believe it!!! get my drift? Alright don't be pissed now!!!
                      Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure.

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                      • Oh Come On Pavan Really?

                        Originally posted by pavanchirmade View Post
                        No its NOT. Who told you that? it costs 990. And it is of the proper quality, strength and finish.[talking about the swingarm]
                        The Ninja can still kick Mojo's ass without a digital speedometer and USD forks and 50cc less[obviously coz of the parallel twin].But I am pro Indian. be Indian buy Indian is what I follow. So lets just wait for the Mojo to come out on the streets and then make comparisons as fancy gadgetery is not essential to make a bike go faster. This has been proved by both TVS and Bajaj by chucking out the FI from their flagship models and still making them better than their FI'ed counterparts.
                        See..premium offering and all is fine. But since it is priced so expensive, it would have been better if it was a bit more powerful.Maybe they will improve it further when it is actually brought into the market. Lets see how it goes. but as someone pointed it out here, this bike has to sell like crazy. That will motivate other biggies to launch their biggies here.
                        What's with people pointing out flaws like an edgy weld or some 2 or 3 small scratches on the gear pedal? As if your bikes didn't have such flaws even when they were new. And this was not even the final version. It was just the launch prototype as MG said.

                        So chill guys. Let's just wait for the first impressions and ride reports.
                        Ok...Ok...so the Ninja May be able to beat the Mojo but really? I mean really? To accomplish that You'll be spending another Rs 1 lac!!! And to be Perfectly honest Indians are cheap I don't want the extra horses gimme the goodies and not just the basics like everyone else has, and with enough power to immasculate all the other little bikes and I'm happy!!! You don't see too many Ninja's on road do Ya? ...Guess why??? Its Too Expensive!!! So there's the answer to the first part of your post. See I feel the Mahindra is in a category of its own and no its not a cruiser like Payeng mentioned it's more of a supermotard sort of like the ducati hypermotard...


                        And as for home made tires etc etc c'mon wouldn't You rather have imported tires on your ride? I mean the whole of india does it, replace the stock tires with imported ones...Mahindra's actually saving You that valuable 4k or so You'll be spending so You can buy Your girlfriend that expensive pair of shoes she's always wanted!!! :-D And Yes i agree it was only the prototype if it really was to be pitted against the Ninja 250r then they should have it up atleast to 30bhp...I mean thats what I'd like to think But you can;t have everything in Life right?
                        Last edited by joshzma225; 10-07-2010, 03:33 AM.
                        Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure.

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                        • Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post
                          And as for home made tires etc etc


                          @joshzma225: i'm really confused as to what it is u're trying to say with the attached pic???
                          Last edited by MG; 10-07-2010, 09:58 AM. Reason: That part was not needed
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                          • Oh by the way what i meant with the tires was that the Mojo already comes with Pirellis and I was trying to say it was a good thought from the Manufacturer, so rather than having to spend the 4-5k You normally would on buying a set of imported tires after buying the bike...
                            Last edited by MG; 10-07-2010, 09:58 AM.
                            Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure.

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                            • Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post
                              See I feel the Mahindra is in a category of its own and no its not a cruiser like Payeng mentioned it's more of a supermotard sort of like the ducati hypermotard...

                              Like the Ducati Hypermotard..?? Yeah right.

                              Remember I got the opportunity to check out its riding position.


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                              • Originally posted by payeng View Post
                                Like the Ducati Hypermotard..?? Yeah right.

                                Remember I got the opportunity to check out its riding position.

                                Payeng, did they ever fire that thing up at the launch? Did you guys get to hear what it sounds like as well?

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