Petrol prices update thread

[petrolhead_chn]

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One can only hope for the rupee-dollar value to stabilise, to see some change

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Why wouldn't the fuel/chemical/research companies work out something alternate for petrol? I somewhere read/heard that TATA has acquired some technology from an individual with which automobiles can run on artificial petrol/air. Somebody heard of it or is just another time-pass rumor?

[Satyamzma]

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Why wouldn't the fuel/chemical/research companies work out something alternate for petrol? I somewhere read/heard that TATA has acquired some technology from an individual with which automobiles can run on artificial petrol/air. Somebody heard of it or is just another time-pass rumor?

We already have electric scooters...but developing a 2 wheeler with alternate source of energy is very hard..There is no practical electric 2 wheeler which can even match the performance of basic 100cc bike.. Royal Enfield can develop bikes which run on diesel..They should do more R&D on a Diesel Cruiser Bike..

[petrolhead_chn]

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Royal Enfield

Yes... Royal Enfield can do something. I still come across lots of Diesel Bullets for sale at low prices. Nevertheless, people are still ready to fill up the tanks and keep purchasing new vehicles. Maybe I'm thinking too much .

[snehithpereira]

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Why wouldn't the fuel/chemical/research companies work out something alternate for petrol? I somewhere read/heard that TATA has acquired some technology from an individual with which automobiles can run on artificial petrol/air. Somebody heard of it or is just another time-pass rumor?

AFAIK thats just a rumour. But nonetheless I think there are sufficient alternative sources but problem is making them cost efficient, look at the hybrids for eg, way to costly to be owned by the common man, same problem with solar energy too, the damn cells are too expensive over that their efficiency is hardly about 18%(in terms of wastage).

Well just wait for the natural oil from the middle east to deplete and the Americans/Russians start selling their oil reserves, then don't be surprised if fuel starts selling at rs.500 a litre.

[psr]

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A fuel injected 2 stroke engine is more fuel efficient and gives higher power output ,and with LESS POLLUTION than a comparable 4 stroke engine of same capacity...but our Govt., which has no clue of technology improvements, is still against the 2 stroke engines...
That said, we do use a 2 stroke Diesel Locomotive extensively in Indian Railways, and the Loco is certified least polluting among the Locos of IR....

[chinmayakar]

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A fuel injected 2 stroke engine is more fuel efficient and gives higher power output ,and with LESS POLLUTION than a comparable 4 stroke engine of same capacity...but our Govt., which has no clue of technology improvements, is still against the 2 stroke engines...
That said, we do use a 2 stroke Diesel Locomotive extensively in Indian Railways, and the Loco is certified least polluting among the Locos of IR....

I dont think Govt has to do anything with banning 2 stroke engines. It is the cost of manufacturing a FI 2 stroke engine that pollutes less and gives higher power output than an equivalent 4 stroke.

If thats the case why do we see 2 stroke Auto Rickshaws still selling? Why are the 80cc 2 stroke mopeds still being manufactured and sold?

[bbsrailfan]

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We already have electric scooters...but developing a 2 wheeler with alternate source of energy is very hard..There is no practical electric 2 wheeler which can even match the performance of basic 100cc bike.. Royal Enfield can develop bikes which run on diesel..They should do more R&D on a Diesel Cruiser Bike..

Yes... Royal Enfield can do something. I still come across lots of Diesel Bullets for sale at low prices. Nevertheless, people are still ready to fill up the tanks and keep purchasing new vehicles.

Electrics are the future. Internationally, development of electric sportbikes has advanced manifold and today we have at least four electric superbikes which can match their litre-class petrol counterparts - yes, I am talking of Brammo, Zero, Energica and Lightning. Google them up! Yes, they are mighty expensive to own and are niche market specifics...but I am really hoping that mass-market manufacturers will be able to make high-performance electric motorbikes more affordable.

Low-displacement diesel engines are not really very beneficial, neither can they be tuned to give the refinement and economy expected from a bike. Ever riden a Diesel bullet? It feels worse than a Greaves diesel autorickshaw, it's that bad. Till date, engineers haven't been able to come across a diesel engine refined enough to fit a Nano! And with de-regularization of diesel prices, how much of a difference can we expect in days to come?

[chinmayakar]

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To add to that, we cant rely on Fossil fuels for long. Technological improvements in alternate source of energy will eventually seep down to the masses. Technology eventually seeps down as it becomes cheaper with advancement in manufacturing.

[psr]

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I dont think Govt has to do anything with banning 2 stroke engines. It is the cost of manufacturing a FI 2 stroke engine that pollutes less and gives higher power output than an equivalent 4 stroke.

If thats the case why do we see 2 stroke Auto Rickshaws still selling? Why are the 80cc 2 stroke mopeds still being manufactured and sold?

Govt., is the Authority to certify any car or bike fit for running within it's jurisdiction...and in India Production and sales of 2 stroke auto rickshaws , other than running on LPG or CNG is not allowed in metros since 2007....the increase in cost to convert a 2 stroke conventional single cylinder engine to Fi is NOT THE REASON , which is only 15 K .In Mangalore Bajaj had released few 2 stroke Fi Autorickshaws which was successful...but the problems to get a 2 stroker certified from the Govt., post ban is a herculean task, and Bajaj just gave up and towed the line with LPG and CNG autos...

[petrolhead_chn]

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There is a saying "A rupee saved is rupee earned."

Similarly, apart from finding out new technologies and alternates, 'organizing the existing traffic systems' especially during morning and evening peak hours would greatly bring down the fuel consumption and eventually lesser demand and costs. Though the amount of fuel wasted/consumed by an individual's car/bike might be negligible, it certainly is alarming when consolidated.

In fact the government can continue purchasing fuel and begin storing it if the fuel consumption reduces. Don't you all think so? Maybe it is too much to think for our country. But it is possible over time!
I just wish some enthusiast from the government office with considerable powers and influence can do drastic reformations before he retires.

Phew! A wish always remains a wish .

[chinmayakar]

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Govt., is the Authority to certify any car or bike fit for running within it's jurisdiction...and in India Production and sales of 2 stroke auto rickshaws , other than running on LPG or CNG is not allowed in metros since 2007....the increase in cost to convert a 2 stroke conventional single cylinder engine to Fi is NOT THE REASON , which is only 15 K .In Mangalore Bajaj had released few 2 stroke Fi Autorickshaws which was successful...but the problems to get a 2 stroker certified from the Govt., post ban is a herculean task, and Bajaj just gave up and towed the line with LPG and CNG autos...

2 days back I saw a consignment of autos without the CNG kit in Mumbai. What about the mopeds? Is it explicitly mentioned any where Govt has banned 2 stroke engines? Forget India, why did MotoGP discontinue 2 strokes? Why across the globe manufacturers are concentrating more on 4 stroke? Are 2 strokes banned around the globe?

[The Monk]

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2 days back I saw a consignment of autos without the CNG kit in Mumbai. What about the mopeds? Is it explicitly mentioned any where Govt has banned 2 stroke engines? Forget India, why did MotoGP discontinue 2 strokes? Why across the globe manufacturers are concentrating more on 4 stroke? Are 2 strokes banned around the globe?

Not that it is relevant to the thread. But 2 strokes are not banned in India. Norms were made so stringent that 2 strokes couldn't keep up.

MotoGP discontinued 2 strokes, because the manufacturers didn't want to spend R&D on 2's when their were going to be selling 4's in the real world.

4 strokes are more profitable for manufacturers... Guesswork here!!!!

There are a lot of small engineering houses who are once again trying to develop clean 2's. Some claim to have made 2's which are even less polluting than 4's. But how economically viable that is, I don't know.

[chinmayakar]

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Exactly Monk, that was my point. There is no blanket ban on 2 strokes here. It is the R&D cost and manufacturing cost thats keeping manufacturers at bay.

[psr]

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2 days back I saw a consignment of autos without the CNG kit in Mumbai. What about the mopeds? Is it explicitly mentioned any where Govt has banned 2 stroke engines? Forget India, why did MotoGP discontinue 2 strokes? Why across the globe manufacturers are concentrating more on 4 stroke? Are 2 strokes banned around the globe?

You seem to be out of touch with news about ban on two strokers ...Yes in MotoGP also the 2 strokers are banned..
Here is an old News Paper clipping from the past on the both the ban and bajaj's GDI system....

Articles about Stroke - Economic Times

[chinmayakar]

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Bajaj Auto to roll out more efficient two-stroke bikes - Economic Times

If 2 strokes are banned, how can Bajaj come out with GDI on a 2 stroke engine. Leave the Autos, they were also planning to implement it on 2 wheelers.
Why would someone invest in R&D when it is going to be banned?

Ban on 2-stroke autorikshaws to hit Scooters India hard - Economic Times

This article says Delhi Govt was planning to ban 2 stroke Autos. I am sorry if I missed any where it says "Central Government has banned 2 strokes, hence going forward no 2 strokes will be manufactured".

Moto GP too it was banned due to increased cost in R&D and environmental issues.