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  • Originally posted by Dman View Post
    And by the way saw your rendering...superb work hats off...though i would say it could have been a bit more nice if you could have done it with a bit more finesse but still nonetheless great effort...
    Thanks bro,

    About the rear disc, In my personnel experience rear drum locks up easily and gives scary moments under panic braking, after using rear disc for some years I cant imagine a drum. even hunk offers one, pulsar is expected to be far better piece of machinery. When the globe moves from disc to ABS and Traction control, we should atleast move beyond drums I think, Its not that much a cost I think.
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    • Originally posted by kochumvk View Post
      Thanks bro,

      About the rear disc, In my personnel experience rear drum locks up easily and gives scary moments under panic braking, after using rear disc for some years I cant imagine a drum. even hunk offers one, pulsar is expected to be far better piece of machinery. When the globe moves from disc to ABS and Traction control, we should atleast move beyond drums I think, Its not that much a cost I think.
      +1
      Bajaj is probably the sole Indian customer of "Italian Engineered" Brembo brakes. They shouldn't have problem using disc brakes everywhere. I agree manufacturing cost is less with drums but they require more maintenance. Let alone the hectic of constant adjustments. Most of 100cc we see today running on roads like splendor, platinas don't even have front brakes in working condition.
      The only maintenance associated with discs are replacements of pads and oil, that too once in 25k km.
      And anyway it's too old school to have drums these days. Even CBZ comes with two of them.

      Now It's another subject that those "Italian Engineered" discs brakes on Bajaj feel crap in front of Japanese crowd.
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      • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
        +1
        Bajaj is probably the sole Indian customer of "Italian Engineered" Brembo brakes. They shouldn't have problem using disc brakes everywhere. I agree manufacturing cost is less with drums but they require more maintenance. Let alone the hectic of constant adjustments. Most of 100cc we see today running on roads like splendor, platinas don't even have front brakes in working condition.
        The only maintenance associated with discs are replacements of pads and oil, that too once in 25k km.
        And anyway it's too old school to have drums these days. Even CBZ comes with two of them.

        Now It's another subject that those "Italian Engineered" discs brakes on Bajaj feel crap in front of Japanese crowd.
        I thought brembo's bybre came for p220, cbr 250 duke 125,duke200 and even on yamaha sz.

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        • Originally posted by kochumvk View Post
          Thanks bro,

          About the rear disc, In my personnel experience rear drum locks up easily and gives scary moments under panic braking, after using rear disc for some years I cant imagine a drum. even hunk offers one, pulsar is expected to be far better piece of machinery. When the globe moves from disc to ABS and Traction control, we should atleast move beyond drums I think, Its not that much a cost I think.
          oh when you put it that way i agree.As you know so far i have only been able to ride all disk braked (front & rear) bikes not own them. i have had only experience in owning drum brake models only so far (a caliber 115 and a honda dio).And i had just said this on my personal experience so far also as we had also encountered very less problems and also gave enough braking also.And of course we had occasional costs like changing of shoes,on adjusting sometimes ect but that's all.It was only negligible ones only.

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          • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
            Now It's another subject that those "Italian Engineered" discs brakes on Bajaj feel crap in front of Japanese crowd.
            I don't quite agree with that statement. The front disc of my earstwhile P220 saved my skin on numerous occassions. I could depend my life on the front disc of my Pulsar.



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            • Originally posted by payeng View Post
              I don't quite agree with that statement. The front disc of my earstwhile P220 saved my skin on numerous occassions. I could depend my life on the front disc of my Pulsar.


              I too have to agree on that point. From various personal experiences, the disk has held on exceptionally, when even i thought that it wouldn't stop at the right time, and we are talking about sudden brakes from triple digit speed to a standstill.And mine is not even the bybre brakes, its the older KBX one.
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              • Originally posted by payeng View Post
                I don't quite agree with that statement. The front disc of my earstwhile P220 saved my skin on numerous occassions. I could depend my life on the front disc of my Pulsar.


                Traditionally people have always mistaken the bite offered by discs on Pulsars for being dangerous. That's because people moving to these bikes from drum brakes or soft biting discs aren't quite used to the mechanics of the whole bike during hard braking. Personally, I feel the discs of the Ninja and FZ to be the best available here.

                Since the new pulsar has so many changes, lets hope the braking quality is maintained if not improved.
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                • About rear discs, after using cbz w/ nissin rear brakes, i felt that rear discs could give precise control over bike than drums. Works more better when both brakes are used proportionately. Moreover, in these increased traffic in towns and cities, disc brakes are much helpful.
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                  • Originally posted by payeng View Post
                    I don't quite agree with that statement. The front disc of my earstwhile P220 saved my skin on numerous occassions. I could depend my life on the front disc of my Pulsar.


                    I would also agree with you bro and yeah every one knows pulsar's disc are one of the best when it comes to braking and the even the latest bybre has improved it even further.

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                    • Originally posted by Dman View Post
                      I would also agree with you bro and yeah every one knows pulsar's disc are one of the best when it comes to braking and the even the latest bybre has improved it even further.
                      Not only they are superb but economical too...
                      I remember just changing one set till now. The current ODO is 36k..and they costed around 150rs odd.

                      Happy with its quality.

                      Yammies and all are freaking costly. Including ZMA & ZMR's.
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                      • Originally posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
                        Not only they are superb but economical too...
                        I remember just changing one set till now. The current ODO is 36k..and they costed around 150rs odd.

                        Happy with its quality.

                        Yammies and all are freaking costly. Including ZMA & ZMR's.
                        ^I think ours are not bybre.

                        @Dman: You can see Eshan has changed brake pads only in Rs. 150. Oil replacement is another 100 Rs. That's all maintenance they require. Changing drum brake liners costs about 350 rs here. Tell me which require less maintenance?

                        @payeng: Front disc brake on my pulsar is also brilliant. But relying excessively on front brake is dangerous. You know it and you've said it already. I've ridden many P220s. None had good rear brakes. While taking delivery of P220 dealer said it's common with P220s and you've front discs for stopping why bother about rear brakes? They are good for slowing down, that's all. From all my riding experience R15 has the best disc brakes. Unicorn has the best drum brake.

                        I love my pulsar and I'm proud that that it's excellent at many things. But unfortunately braking isn't one of them. The bike is very forgiving as long as you know its limitations.

                        And there's no such thing as economical brakes and expensive brakes. Brakes can be weighed only on whether they are good or not good. When one ends up in the hospital with a limb less, he wouldn't think" Yeah, I'm glad that I had saved 100rs for opting the cheaper brakes. Expensive brakes might have avoided the accident but no harm done as I can use those 100 rs for buying prosthetic."
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                        • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                          @payeng: Front disc brake on my pulsar is also brilliant. But relying excessively on front brake is dangerous. You know it and you've said it already.

                          I've ridden many P220s. None had good rear brakes. While taking delivery of P220 dealer said it's common with P220s and you've front discs for stopping why bother about rear brakes? They are good for slowing down, that's all. From all my riding experience R15 has the best disc brakes. Unicorn has the best drum brake.

                          I love my pulsar and I'm proud that that it's excellent at many things. But unfortunately braking isn't one of them. The bike is very forgiving as long as you know its limitations.
                          True.. as brilliant is the front disc on the P220 the rear disc feels wooden compared to it. Hope the Next Gen Pulsars (at least the higher cc ones) gets rear disc and that too with similar feel like the front.



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                          • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                            ^I think ours are not bybre.

                            @Dman: You can see Eshan has changed brake pads only in Rs. 150. Oil replacement is another 100 Rs. That's all maintenance they require. Changing drum brake liners costs about 350 rs here. Tell me which require less maintenance?

                            @payeng: Front disc brake on my pulsar is also brilliant. But relying excessively on front brake is dangerous. You know it and you've said it already. I've ridden many P220s. None had good rear brakes. While taking delivery of P220 dealer said it's common with P220s and you've front discs for stopping why bother about rear brakes? They are good for slowing down, that's all. From all my riding experience R15 has the best disc brakes. Unicorn has the best drum brake.

                            I love my pulsar and I'm proud that that it's excellent at many things. But unfortunately braking isn't one of them. The bike is very forgiving as long as you know its limitations.

                            And there's no such thing as economical brakes and expensive brakes. Brakes can be weighed only on whether they are good or not good. When one ends up in the hospital with a limb less, he wouldn't think" Yeah, I'm glad that I had saved 100rs for opting the cheaper brakes. Expensive brakes might have avoided the accident but no harm done as I can use those 100 rs for buying prosthetic."
                            ok i agree bro..I was kind of misinformed by my friend that disc pads all related elements and their maintenance was an expensive task.I thought he was right since i had been using only drum brakes so far. again thanks for pointing out the real story and correcting me.And thanks for the piece of info.

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                            • Originally posted by Dman View Post
                              ok i agree bro..I was kind of misinformed by my friend that disc pads all related elements and their maintenance was an expensive task.I thought he was right since i had been using only drum brakes so far. again thanks for pointing out the real story and correcting me.And thanks for the piece of info.
                              It's all right. Happens with me all the time.
                              AFAIK There are at least 3 major limitation of drum brakes. One, they can easily lock the wheel on case of less traction (Meaning they are not precise). Two, They constantly need adjustments. Well that's not bad thing in developed countries where people know their stuff. But in our country most of the folks are scared of fiddling with anything. Three, tail/brake light has to be to sync with brakes when we adjust them. Nobody does that, I mean even cars run without brake lights.
                              That's why people better off with disk brakes.

                              Here's an event where disc brakes really helped me avoiding a collision. http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post585217
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                              • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                                Now It's another subject that those "Italian Engineered" discs brakes on Bajaj feel crap in front of Japanese crowd.

                                Is BYBRE really Italian Engineered? I thought KBX is just rebranded after BOSCH left the stake.


                                Originally posted by payeng View Post
                                True.. as brilliant is the front disc on the P220 the rear disc feels wooden compared to it. Hope the Next Gen Pulsars (at least the higher cc ones) gets rear disc and that too with similar feel like the front.
                                Rear disc on most bikes are softer than front ones. Since we cant have same precision as with hands (in case of front) when playing it with foot, it can otherwise cause a lock-up. Heared than Hunk have it in reverse! Since we are expected use more front in proportion, it should be alright. But a 300mm disc upfront is essential for next gen.
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