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  • #451
    Just out of curiosity, if touring version is launched for india...will it inherit the frame from naked version?
    Adventure series from KTM are generally with high saddle height! just wondering if a 5'6" person can go for touring version!

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    • #452
      Originally posted by adibombay View Post
      Just out of curiosity, if touring version is launched for india...will it inherit the frame from naked version?
      Adventure series from KTM are generally with high saddle height! just wondering if a 5'6" person can go for touring version!
      No point making a different frame for diff. models. They even planned and shared the same frame/components for the whole 125, 200 & 390 series. So cant expect a new frame. It'll be interesting to see how the faired version 'll look on the same frame. Not sure IF they were sure about making a faired version, at the time of designing this frame. mayB they would make a new sub frame or mayB not!
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      • #453
        Originally posted by adibombay View Post
        Just out of curiosity, if touring version is launched for india...will it inherit the frame from naked version?
        Adventure series from KTM are generally with high saddle height! just wondering if a 5'6" person can go for touring version!
        Even if its the same frame, I just hope its got some minor alterations to increase saddle height and make it more comfortable and less cramped. Duke 200 lost several prospective customers because of how tiny and cramped it was.
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        • #454
          I visited the KTM Phoenix Mills showroom. They said the 390 would be available in March at a price of Rs. 2,35,000.

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          • #455
            Originally posted by Samarth_M View Post
            I visited the KTM Phoenix Mills showroom. They said the 390 would be available in March at a price of Rs. 2,35,000.
            if that's true then its much more than the price i expected..as per its worldwide pricing, I was expecting it below 2lac INR..
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            • #456
              Originally posted by pcgamer View Post
              ^^What difference does one notice when riding a parallel twin apart from the exhaust note when compared to a high powered single? I know the fun of inlines. But want to know more about parallel twins. In what way would a 40hp parallel twin be more enjoyable than say, a 50hp single in general?
              Twins are anyday more smoother than the single and also can cruise at a higher speed than single
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              • #457
                Originally posted by Samarth_M View Post
                I visited the KTM Phoenix Mills showroom. They said the 390 would be available in March at a price of Rs. 2,35,000.
                If its OTR price for C-ABS, then its just OK type pricing.I guess 2.2L is more practical....
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                • #458
                  Originally posted by sambit View Post
                  If its OTR price for C-ABS, then its just OK type pricing.I guess 2.2L is more practical....
                  Yea I expect the standard version to be priced in cbr250abs territory(1,90's) or may be evn lesser*considering the amount of part-sharing and the global pricing*
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                  • #459
                    Originally posted by pcgamer View Post
                    ^^What difference does one notice when riding a parallel twin apart from the exhaust note when compared to a high powered single? I know the fun of inlines. But want to know more about parallel twins. In what way would a 40hp parallel twin be more enjoyable than say, a 50hp single in general?
                    Twin (Multiple) Cylinder Characteristics:

                    [1] The strokes is shorter (compared to a single cylinder engine of same capacity) hence can rev higher and hence produce more Power

                    [2] Tends to be smoother as the movement of the cylinders kind of aid in balancing/cancelling the vibrations

                    [3] Manufacturing costs are higher



                    Single Cylinder Characteristics:

                    [1] The stroke is longer (compared to a twin/multiple cylinder engine of same capacity) hence a single cylinder engine generates more Torque

                    [2] The lesser the no. of cylinders, the fuel efficiency is better (compared to a multi cylinder engine of same capacity)

                    [3] Manufacturing costs are lower
                    Last edited by payeng; 12-17-2012, 04:49 PM.

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                    • #460
                      Originally posted by MG View Post
                      Twins are anyday more smoother than the single and also can cruise at a higher speed than single
                      Originally posted by payeng View Post
                      Twin (Multiple) Cylinder Characteristics:

                      .....

                      Single Cylinder Characteristics:
                      ....

                      None of these explanations answer the real query in this post (highlighted in BOLD for better visibility)

                      Originally posted by pcgamer View Post
                      ^^What difference does one notice when riding a parallel twin apart from the exhaust note when compared to a high powered single? I know the fun of inlines. But want to know more about parallel twins. In what way would a 40hp parallel twin be more enjoyable than say, a 50hp single in general?
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                      • #461
                        Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                        None of these explanations answer the real query in this post (highlighted in BOLD for better visibility)

                        Taking a wild guess

                        A 40 bhp parallel will be much more rev happy than a 50bhp single. So it would be hooligan v/s sedate.

                        Atleast that is what I have gathered from Payeng's post
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                        • #462
                          Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                          None of these explanations answer the real query in this post (highlighted in BOLD for better visibility)
                          It does..

                          There is no straight answer for a 40 hp twin Vs a 50 hp single

                          The only way to understand the difference online would be to understand how these engine are different in their power/torque "Characteristics".

                          Originally posted by The Monk View Post
                          Taking a wild guess

                          A 40 bhp parallel will be much more rev happy than a 50bhp single. So it would be hooligan v/s sedate.

                          At least that is what I have gathered from Payeng's post

                          Not necessarily.. there are still a lot of variables (vehicle weight, gearing, engine tuning.).. to describe Hooligan and Sedate.

                          High revving doesn't necessarily mean Hooligan. For example I find the high revving R15 and Ninja 250R to be extremely sedate machines.

                          Also take the example of the 200 cc single cylinder with exactly same bore and stroke on the 200NS and 200Duke, the Pulsar feels sedate and the Duke feels hooligan.

                          One of the wildest bikes I have ridden was a 150 Kg, Single Cylinder, KTM 690.. and boy was it scary.



                          Last edited by payeng; 12-17-2012, 05:23 PM.

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                          • #463
                            Originally posted by payeng View Post
                            It does..

                            There is no straight answer for a 40 hp twin Vs a 50 hp single
                            The only way to understand the difference online would be to understand how these engine are different in their power/torque "Characteristics".


                            What your explanation gave me was that the 50 HP single (engine only) has
                            1. More power
                            2. More Torque
                            3. More Fuel efficiency
                            4. Less cost
                            5. Less weight (since less material was used in making the engine)
                            than a 40 HP twin (engine only).

                            The only area where the 40 HP 2-cyl bike trumps the 50 HP 1-cyl engined bike is in smoothness (which will also be only a slight difference if you use a balancer shaft in the 1-cyl engine to cancel out the vibration like modern engines do, a solution which cannot be replicated on a 2-cyl for improving the 2-cyl engine smoothness). So going back to the original query

                            Originally posted by pcgamer View Post
                            In what way would a 40hp parallel twin be more enjoyable than say, a 50hp single in general?
                            The one word answer would be : Smoothness ?

                            P.S.: Please don't tell me that 2-cyl engines are an order of magnitude smoother. Many here would have ridden the Hyosungs and would already know how true (or false) that bit would be.
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                            • #464
                              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                              What your explanation gave me was that the 50 HP single (engine only) has
                              1. More power
                              2. More Torque
                              3. More Fuel efficiency
                              4. Less cost
                              5. Less weight (since less material was used in making the engine)
                              than a 40 HP twin (engine only).
                              "Theoretically" the Power should be Lower than a Twin


                              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                              The only area where the 40 HP 2-cyl bike trumps the 50 HP 1-cyl engined bike is in smoothness (which will also be only a slight difference if you use a balancer shaft in the 1-cyl engine to cancel out the vibration like modern engines do, a solution which cannot be replicated on a 2-cyl for improving the 2-cyl engine smoothness). So going back to the original query

                              The one word answer would be : Smoothness ?
                              Again "theoretically" yes, multiple cylinders have that advantage



                              Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                              P.S.: Please don't tell me that 2-cyl engines are an order of magnitude smoother. Many here would have ridden the Hyosungs and would already know how true (or false) that bit would be.

                              That exactly why I quoted "theoretically"

                              But again then V-Twins are "theoretically" more prone to vibes than inline or parallel twins.. Even Ducati bikes vibrate and make a lot of racket.



                              Last edited by payeng; 12-17-2012, 05:35 PM.

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                              • #465
                                This topic is leading towards Single vs Multiple/double cylinder bikes..
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