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  • #391
    Originally posted by MG View Post
    By your logic FZ/FZ-S should have been history by now since NS is already here and unlike CBR250 and Duke 390 both belongs to the same design form i.e streetfighter
    Probably because BAL penny-pinched when buying the tyres. Also because the price difference is still significant (NS is priced ~15k more). You never know what would happen if they move down the displacement ladder on the 200NS platform.

    Originally posted by Praful View Post
    Just a thought, the Duke 200 as exciting it is to ride. Think about the fact that it weighs 125 Kgs makes 25PS, by that P/W ratio the bike should blazing fast in comparison to say the CBR250 which makes almost the same power and weighs 30Kgs more. But that is far from reality!

    I'd take the 44Hp figure with a slight pinch of salt.
    Duke 200 probably loses out to the CBR250R due to worse aerodynamics (naked) and much much shorter gearing. It was optimized as a city bike and thats where it is better than the others. Top Speed is not such a big consideration for a city centric bike, how you reach there is more important. Even the 21 Ps P220 can match the Duke if top speed is the only consideration. The difference here is how you reach your top-speed.

    Duke 390, by continuation, is also a city centric bike (Naked, small fuel tank, worse aerodynamics, Top-Speed close to that managed by CBR250R *in all probability*.)
    Last edited by antz.bin; 11-28-2012, 12:18 PM.
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    • #392
      Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
      Top Speed is not such a big consideration for a city centric bike, how you reach there is more important.
      Obviously I'm not talking about top speed, the top speed for each of these two bikes is well known.

      I meant in a quarter mile, I don't think the Duke 200 is ahead despite its close ratio quick shift gear box and ultra light weight.

      The kind of speeds these bikes would reach in a quarter mile, I don't think aerodynamics would play that big a factor.
      Last edited by Praful; 11-28-2012, 12:56 PM.
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      • #393
        Originally posted by Praful View Post
        Obviously I'm not talking about top speed, the top speed for each of these two bikes is well known.

        I meant in a quarter mile, I don't think the Duke 200 is ahead despite its close ratio quick shift gear box and ultra light weight.
        Probably because you waste time in shifting through the extremely close ratio gearbox. Each gearshift costs you precious fractions of a second. But then the same close ratio gearbox gives it better Roll-On timings (which is more essential in the city compared to 0-100 and quarter mile timings).
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        • #394
          Originally posted by Praful View Post
          Obviously I'm not talking about top speed, the top speed for each of these two bikes is well known.

          I meant in a quarter mile, I don't think the Duke 200 is ahead despite its close ratio quick shift gear box and ultra light weight.
          Main reasons will be:

          1.Higher torque
          2.Better Aerodynamics.
          3.time loss in shifting more times in duke while reaching to same speed (say 100)

          With very optimized shifts there is nothing between these two till 100, beyond that wind resistance, and lower torque will keep the duke on the back bench.

          CBR 250 R is a bike with 'R' tag and 25% larger combustion chamber.
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          • #395
            the duke 390 is a wild bike in the initial acceleration -- i just hope BAL prices it in the perfect bracket so that not everyone can easily afford it --

            too many street rossis already
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            • #396
              Duke 200: Bore X stroke - 72X49 mm
              Duke 390: Bore X stroke - 89X60 mm

              Experts, What does a "short geared' mean to a layman. Is it much more frequent shifting of gears wrt to rmp/speed? need to understand if duke 390 would be as short geared as 200? will we have to shift gears very quicky and frequently, esp in city riding? I am coming from a bullet clan, and my C5 does not force me to shift gears as often. Will i have problems adjusting to gear shifting pattern of Duke 390?

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              • #397
                Originally posted by MG View Post
                By your logic FZ/FZ-S should have been history by now since NS is already here and unlike CBR250 and Duke 390 both belongs to the same design form i.e streetfighter
                Gee I missed the words "dnt".. i.e. I wouldnt be surprised to see the CB250 street version being sent to India if the Duke 390 starts attacking the 250R.
                Both will sell.. Sales if a function of many things. Price being just one factor.

                If you had 6L, what will you buy. A Hyosung GT650, A Harley Davidon, or will you save up for a KTM



                Originally posted by Praful View Post
                Just a thought, the Duke 200 as exciting it is to ride. Think about the fact that it weighs 125 Kgs makes 25PS, by that P/W ratio the bike should blazing fast in comparison to say the CBR250 which makes almost the same power and weighs 30Kgs more. But that is far from reality!

                I'd take the 44Hp figure with a slight pinch of salt.
                Originally posted by nasirkaka View Post
                Duke 200: Bore X stroke - 72X49 mm
                Duke 390: Bore X stroke - 89X60 mm

                Experts, What does a "short geared' mean to a layman. Is it much more frequent shifting of gears wrt to rmp/speed? need to understand if duke 390 would be as short geared as 200? will we have to shift gears very quicky and frequently, esp in city riding? I am coming from a bullet clan, and my C5 does not force me to shift gears as often. Will i have problems adjusting to gear shifting pattern of Duke 390?
                "Fast" in terms of acceleration thanks to the short stroke nature.
                By Short geared ratios he meant having to shift gears fast. Imagine the exact opposite of the RE.
                Torquey mills are geared shorter to mechanically restrict the acceleration in the lower gears (and in case of Duke 125, may be make it seem faster)
                Fiddle with the primary ratios and wheelie all the way! Yay!
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                • #398
                  Originally posted by nasirkaka View Post
                  Duke 200: Bore X stroke - 72X49 mm
                  Duke 390: Bore X stroke - 89X60 mm

                  Experts, What does a "short geared' mean to a layman. Is it much more frequent shifting of gears wrt to rmp/speed? need to understand if duke 390 would be as short geared as 200? will we have to shift gears very quicky and frequently, esp in city riding? I am coming from a bullet clan, and my C5 does not force me to shift gears as often. Will i have problems adjusting to gear shifting pattern of Duke 390?
                  Short gearing refers to the need to shift gears faster than normal. What this provides? It gives immense acceleration than a normal geared ride, but what is the con? It loses out on top speed. Take the CBR 250 R and duke for example. Both share the same 25 Ps of torque, but the CBR is normal geared, while duke is short geared. So this makes the duke to have a tiny edge, over the CBR in terms of acceleration, but thats only upto the 100~110km/h mark. By then Duke would have already hit the 6th gear, while CBR will be doing it easily on the 5th. So, the Duke will run out of steam by 136(approx) and be unable to hit higher top speed, but the CBR can hit 140's easily with just a shift to the 6th and cruise easily on such speeds too. Duke 390(30:80) will be having a higher gear ratio than the 200(22:72), so it won't be short geared like the 200. Still it won't be like your Bullets or cruisers because, those are torquey machines. It will take some time for you to get accustomed to these rides.
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                  • #399
                    Waiting, waiting, waiting.

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                    The girl said, 'NO!'


                    And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


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                    • #400
                      Thanks satyenpoojary and Ezilkannan for the explanation on short geared. And personally good for me that 390 is geared taller compared to 200.

                      I have been looking for a 2nd bike mainly for city and short single day trips, as i find the C5 grossly underpowered, heavy, and unrefined for daily commuting in Bangalore traffic. Will keep the C5 for longer rides, and when with pillion. Been waiting desperately for duke 390 to hit the showroom.

                      Given that the 390 generates a healthy torque as well for its weight, will it be feasible to run the bike at lower speeds at higher gear (1<5), without lugging?

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                      • #401
                        Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                        Probably because BAL penny-pinched when buying the tyres. Also because the price difference is still significant (NS is priced ~15k more). You never know what would happen if they move down the displacement ladder on the 200NS platform.

                        Down the line.. the decade old pulsar 150 still outsells the "brand new" FZ!! :P



                        Duke 200 probably loses out to the CBR250R due to worse aerodynamics (naked) and much much shorter gearing. It was optimized as a city bike and thats where it is better than the others. Top Speed is not such a big consideration for a city centric bike, how you reach there is more important. Even the 21 Ps P220 can match the Duke if top speed is the only consideration. The difference here is how you reach your top-speed.

                        The duke 200 is slower than the CBR by .24secs which makes no difference in real world conditions.. and according to xbhp the CBR is actually slower..
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                        • #402
                          Originally posted by nasirkaka View Post
                          Thanks satyenpoojary and Ezilkannan for the explanation on short geared. And personally good for me that 390 is geared taller compared to 200.

                          I have been looking for a 2nd bike mainly for city and short single day trips, as i find the C5 grossly underpowered, heavy, and unrefined for daily commuting in Bangalore traffic. Will keep the C5 for longer rides, and when with pillion. Been waiting desperately for duke 390 to hit the showroom.

                          Given that the 390 generates a healthy torque as well for its weight, will it be feasible to run the bike at lower speeds at higher gear (1<5), without lugging?
                          Given the amount of power it has, it should be able to do some good low speeds without lugging but not to the point that a C5 would be able to. A word of caution, don't ride it like your C5. This will be different ride altogether. You'll get used to it, once you keep riding it regularly.
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                          • #403
                            Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
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                            Not sure if you are aware, the figures quoted by XBHP were figures from BAJAJ and there was a lot of heated discussion on this. Those figures weren't verified by XBHP.

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                            • #404
                              lets not dig up the old issues, it is widely accepted that CBR250 is faster than KTM both in terms of acceleration (0-100) and top speed.
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                              • #405
                                Originally posted by yellowspunk View Post
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                                Yeah in real world with minor difference, the rider is the deciding factor, his precision in execution, but even milli seconds count for the track yeah I am not saying we have a track in every district, but the duke is homologated for the track. Then again, in stock set-up, I have all my doubts, CBR will clock an inferior lap time with stock equipment.

                                There is not much point in comparing these two bikes any way, they are radically different, serves different purposes, excels in its own departments.


                                Lets come back to 390
                                I would like to clear my doubt, Is Duke 390 coming with a new four piston caliper at front?
                                Last edited by kochumvk; 11-29-2012, 12:21 PM.
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