Agree.

Put a full fairing and pricing will shoot up and even start appearing justified. Personally I would rather live with 10-15 Kgs less than have a full fairing.

I dont think Bajaj would go naked with the bigger engines..... So here is my speculation:-
Current 200 NS= 96K
Almost double cc engine= 30-32K (remember same engine components)
Fairing = 12K (full fairing)
Projector = 3K (P 220 type)
Fatter tire = 1K (max)(MRF 140 spec tires)

Total = 1.45 lakhs....MAXIMUM (any body wants to bet??)
and 15-25 K extra for ABS option(depending on C-ABS or not).

I dont think it would go for FI. They know how to extract good milage without the extra cost on FI. And we Indians wont mind either.

Now coming to Duke.

it would cost this side of Rs. 2 lakh.

Pulsar 375 can be priced anywhere in the region of 1.3 lakhs to 1.7 lakhs depending on equipment levels like FI / ABS / FULL FAIRING...etc

I was once reading an interview with a bajaj official on overdrive, in which he mentioned that they have only one colour of ninja to keep inventory of spares, thus cost down. Also they have recently hiked price of duke 200 and released 2 more colours. am sure its the reason why. they work on their economics very tightly and efficiently, thus they have such high margin despite of pricing bikes lower. say what you will about quality of their bikes compared to japanese rivals, they sure are better in managing finances and keep price of bikes down.

The price expectation of Pulsar 375/390 is too low by most of you guys and if I'm not wrong then till 200cc is a series of engine and 375/390cc is a separate series of engine. As mentioned in my earlier post if P375/390 is a naked then I'm expecting a price of 1.5 and for a full faired with ABS around 2lakh.

A 40-44bhp machine with Full fairing at under 2 lakh is a bargain

With just a different engine, the price difference between the Dukes (200 ABS and 390 ABS) is 26k INR

But of course the Duke 200 was a grossly over-engineered bike and so most of the other components might be used as-is on the 390.

This, as we rightly understand, is not true for the 200NS. The Difference between a 200NS and a Naked P375 will be greater than 26k because:
1. The 375/390 will need a beefier suspension.
2. The 375/390 will need fatter tyres. 130 section tyre on a 40+ Ps bike will be downright dangerous. (Thats 3-4k extra at LEAST)
3. The 375/390 might need FI to pass emissions. (Thats an additional 10k)
4. The 375/390 might need a bigger and more expensive cat-con which will increase the cost of the exhaust substantially compared to 200NS levels. (5-8k here too)
5. The chassis will need strengthening for handling additional weight + torque.
5. Since this will be the new flagship, the BCU might make a comeback giving us lighting related features that the P220 sports (battery drain protection, auto-canceling indicators et. al). No idea how much this costs.
6. The flagship will most definitely come with Projector Headlamps. Maybe this time they even make projectors for the High beam aka high end cars. (== extra cost. Expect this assembly itself to cost no less than 5-6k)
7. Since Pulsars have traditionally been the first to make advanced safety / convenience features standard on a particular class of bike, ABS might be Standard. Thats another 20k-25k.
8. They will most definitely add a full fairing to this one. BAL have been missing out on the full fairing pie for too long now. Time they joined the party too.

Taking all this into consideration, the price may go beyond what I initially speculated. This list alone lists features costing ~50-60k to implement. In effect raising the price by 70-85k from 200NS levels. But if most of these above listed features are skipped in favor of reducing costs, our estimates could be quite close. If however, most of this list is covered, Duke 390 ABS and Pulsar 375 Full faired ABS could be priced pretty close to each other.

That is an assumption right?

We cannot be sure that BAL has *not* over-engineered the 200NS to accommodate the bigger engine too, since they surely knew during product development that a bigger KTM is underway and could have possible done the same amount of engineering for the NS take on the brunt of the new engine!

Of course as you rightly mentioned that the tyres would need to be upped a bit, but the other cycle parts + frame *may* remain the same.

Of course thats an assumption. Everything here is. And so I have not added any costs for the cycle parts + frame. But other stuff on the KTM like suspension, forks, tyres, brakes.. nothing needs changing, dimensionally at least.

true,
When I went thru specs of Duke 390 on site, I was like WTH, does baby duke doesn't even need larger discs?? ... but as it seems, KTM do have over engineered bike
so only part they are most effectively changing is engine, ABS and as read somewhere Metzler tyres. Increase in cost with respect to duke 200 <--> duke 390 compared to p200 <--> p375 should be less..

considering there is no way you can know if a bike is over engineered, except for maybe weight of bike. again pulsar 150-180-200-220 range weigh quiet close to each other. this estimation is difficult to apply to ktm as even their 690 weigh nearly 150 kg. for pulsar am sure will be different story, and if it weighs too much more then it will use different parts, otherwise it will be same chassis.

Duke 690 is a dimensionally larger bike than the 390/200/125

Check difference in:
1. Wheelbase
2. GC
3. Seat height
4. Front & Rear suspension travel.

Kinda narrows down the bikes which use a similar chassis/frame/components.

Yes you are right. P200/D200 and P375/D390 are from different platform. Pasting the extract from one of Rajiv Bajajs interview dt Mar 22, 2012.
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On the future for the Pulsar, which is now a decade-old:
We follow a platform strategy. One platform is 125-200cc, from which we make the Pulsars and the KTMbikes. The next platform is 250-350cc, and there will be both brands out of this also. If the Pulsar has to go any further, we need another larger platform, but that would not be right as the Pulsar is not a niche bike like a Harley or a Ducati. So, 350cc may be a good place to stop as of now. Ten years down the line, the Pulsar can go much further.
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Source : ET

ok. somehow i can tell just by common sense that 690 uses a different chassis

but yes, your point is correct that dimension wise duke 390 is similar to 200, so maybe using same components. am sure if components are reinforced and different, they will be heavier and more expensive.

my question is a weight difference of 12 kg is because of engine alone or because of chassis and engine ?

imo if its cause of engine alone, price difference in 200 and 390 won't be much. otherwise it could be much more.

with full fairing, ABS and FI...P375 will not go beyond 1.7 lakhs, damn sure.

do you mean to say Duke 390 in India will sell at a price less than CBR250..???

There is a slight difference in the frame between KTM 200 and 390.

200 uses the Tubular space frame made from steel tubes, powder-coated.
&
390 uses the Tubular space frame made from chrome molybdenum steel, powder-coated.
Not exactly sure what difference it could make.

Source : KTM Ready to Race