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  • #286
    Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
    Pulsar 200NS at sub 1lac was also unrealistic. That particular bike had enough equipment to justify a 1.1lac price tag at launch (not 94k OTR). Especially considering now that Duke 200 costs roughly 1.5 lac . Pricing the Pulsar 375 at Duke 390 levels is just too easy for them. Make them work hard . Bajaj has the habit of doing the unrealistic, let them continue their habit.
    Think on this line - A 200cc costing 94k doesn't sound cheap or a great VFM but a 375 at 1.35 sounds downright cheap.
    ^I'm only taking the cc comparison and leaving everything else
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    • #287
      Originally posted by MG View Post
      Finally joining the discussion

      A Pulsar 375 at 1.35 sounds too unrealistic to me. And even if it comes at that price I for one will not buy it as it will give a perception of too cheap and doubt will be created in my mind about its quality.

      A naked P375 on NS lines should cost around 1.5lakh and a Full Fairing another 25-30k more. Even at those price they will be ultimate VFM
      Even i too feel they shall price the P375 at around 1.5 lakh. This will give room for them to introduce full faired / ABS version of P200.

      Coming to P290/D290 i agree with most of you that it is unrealistic. However if we look the international trends most of the big bike manufacturers are focusing on segments below 500/600. It is here where the future of Bike market will be either in Asia (immediate) or in Europe (future). We have seen how Kawasaki and Honda are coming with lots of variants in 300/ 400/ 500 cc. They are almost having products with a gap of 100 cc as they want to cash new categories of market. They might want to take the first mover advantage.

      So if i view in this perspective i think P290 plus or minus 15 cc should not be far from reality, though D290 might be overcrowding the Duke family.

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      • #288
        Originally posted by MG View Post
        Think on this line - A 200cc costing 94k doesn't sound cheap or a great VFM but a 375 at 1.35 sounds downright cheap.
        ^I'm only taking the cc comparison and leaving everything else
        Okay.pulsar 1.5-1.8 lac otr sound possible?it won't be having fi,abs,USD forks,trellis frame and what not.just the 'same' 200ns with different engine.we are talking about Bajaj here.they have shown the knack for pricing with 200ns.I feel if they do price it aggressively its not because they do cheap.come on.they will eventually jack up the prices after they establish their market share.

        Of course,they can go with respect ur way-abs,fi,sticky tires,USD forks,lightweight frames ,projectors and what not; easily price the pulsar 2 lac otr(or more?!) if they wanted to.but then there's the KTM for that.

        Actually I'm just glad bajaj is taking the initiative.myself a yamaha fan but yammie just happy with their new scooter.crap.
        Last edited by senotrius; 11-19-2012, 11:29 AM.
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        • #289
          375 pulsar at 1.5L,then what will happen to duke 200?Only true KTM fans would get d200..
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          • #290
            Originally posted by albyjose View Post
            375 pulsar at 1.5L,then what will happen to duke 200?Only true KTM fans would get d200..
            That is very true indeed. Like I have mentioned before, a true duke fan will always pick the duke even if the new pulsar has almost same power and features. And infact a true fan will actually save up his cash and get the D390 when its out (if he hasn't bought the D200 already that is).
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            • #291
              Originally posted by MG View Post
              Think on this line - A 200cc costing 94k doesn't sound cheap or a great VFM but a 375 at 1.35 sounds downright cheap.
              ^I'm only taking the cc comparison and leaving everything else
              Look at it this way.. There are 3 bikes in the market with power outputs between 23.5-25Ps. Take a good look at the prices these 3 are sold. You cannot look at something in isolation before deciding if it is VFM or not.

              It doesn't matter to most customers if there is SOHC/DOHC Or FI/Carb as long as the bike is fun to ride.

              Finally, an R15 fairing including the underlying metal brackets, nuts, bolts and washers costs roughly 10k to buy as spares.
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              • #292
                Originally posted by Praful View Post

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                OMG! I missed that. I love these guys at KTM. Sometimes i feel like they can read minds .
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                • #293
                  Duke 200 weighs 125Kg and Duke 390 weighs 139Kg. With both bikes using same frame and having same size, does 390 engine alone weigh 13-14 kilos extra?

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                  • #294
                    @ Antz: its not the cost of manufacturing that dictates the final market price, it has to do with product positioning in market.
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                    • #295
                      Originally posted by princesirohi View Post
                      @ Antz: its not the cost of manufacturing that dictates the final market price, it has to do with product positioning in market.
                      Exactly, and Pulsar, since inception, was supposed to be *Affordable Performance*.

                      Originally posted by hss View Post
                      Duke 200 weighs 125Kg and Duke 390 weighs 139Kg. With both bikes using same frame and having same size, does 390 engine alone weigh 13-14 kilos extra?
                      4.5 kilos is the weight of the ABS unit.
                      Last edited by antz.bin; 11-19-2012, 02:47 PM.
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                      • #296
                        is it really that duke 390 will be using the same frame as in duke 200? what about other parts like the monoshock and front forks and FI unit?
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                        • #297
                          Originally posted by mayank.travadi View Post
                          is it really that duke 390 will be using the same frame as in duke 200? what about other parts like the monoshock and front forks and FI unit?
                          Not sure of the FI, but the suspensions will pretty much be the same and it shares the same tubular space frame, but only difference is, the D200 uses normal steel tubes while the 390 has Chrome Molybdenum steel tubes so that should make the chassis of the 390 stronger than 200.
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                          • #298
                            Originally posted by Ezilkannan View Post
                            Not sure of the FI, but the suspensions will pretty much be the same and it shares the same tubular space frame, but only difference is, the D200 uses normal steel tubes while the 390 has Chrome Molybdenum steel tubes so that should make the chassis of the 390 stronger than 200.
                            Dont think so 'cos I still remember their website referring to 'Chrome Molybdenum' thing even earlier when the 200duke landed. And also same official website stating 300mm and 280mm of disk sizes in different places. Now all set at 300mm finally!
                            The frame has to be same(not sure about suspension, mayB some tweaks only) for the 125, 200 and 390 as it was designed to perform for that added power, torque and brake force and as all that variants have got similar engine outer dimension. Part sharing done at its maximum for less manufacturing cost and time consumption.
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                            • #299
                              Originally posted by Majesty
                              LOL. Pulsar 375 in under 1.5L? In your DREAMS?? <<<---- Read it again.

                              After all, it would be as powerful as the Ninja 300. So, the Price would be around Rs.2L for sure. Maybe Duke could come in lesser price as there is nothing much upgrade in it than the engine.

                              Don't know what the hell has happened to few oldies of this forum. Looks like they are dreaming too much.
                              With the kind of performance/equipment on offer P200NS retalis at about 1 lakh OTR. So, what makes you think that P375NS will sport a 2 lakh price tag? 1.5 lakh itself is almost double the ex-showroom price of P200NS and is quite reasonable as an assumption.
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                              • #300
                                Originally posted by Majesty
                                LOL. Pulsar 375 in under 1.5L? In your DREAMS?? <<<---- Read it again.

                                After all, it would be as powerful as the Ninja 300. So, the Price would be around Rs.2L for sure. Maybe Duke could come in lesser price as there is nothing much upgrade in it than the engine.
                                Don't know what the hell has happened to few oldies of this forum. Looks like they are dreaming too much.
                                So Miss.Newbie here knows more than the "oldies" haan?
                                What makes you think it will be around 2L?
                                No one here knows the specs (may be some of the "oldies" do)...or may be you have the job of tagging the price tags on BAL's bikes.
                                All that we know is that its a bigger mil with fairing (speculated). Going by Duke 390's specs it should churn out a hefty bhp figure. Anything else?? yes it will tires, an engine, a fibre body, headlights, turn indicators, digi console, DC lighting, electric start w/o a kick. So if this makes you think that it will be around 2L...check your IQ!
                                Please enlighten us Ms.Newbie!

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