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  • Originally posted by splus View Post
    You're generalizing now, and I completely agree with your generalization.

    But you know that my words were in response to the money-responsibility connection and especially, the statement that 2.5 lakhs is a good price for Duke 390, and should be taken in context.
    @splus, you can refer @kochumvk's post above where we both agree that it helps cut down on the number of cheapskates and morons who buy the bike. It was not a question of "Money vs Responsibility" but rather, keeping a significant number of illiterate morons out of the equation. Hope we both stand clarified now

    And yes, not to forget - whatever price it gets launched for, it will definitely find takers, just for the displacement and power output figures.

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    • Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
      You forgot Metzeler Tyres -> +15k (From the discussion earlier in the thread)

      So does this make it 175k (Satyenology price) + 15k (ABS) + 15k (Stickier tyres) = 205k ??
      I have more than a fair idea of price
      but its more fun here
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      • Originally posted by bbsrailfan View Post
        @splus, you can refer @kochumvk's post above where we both agree that it helps cut down on the number of cheapskates and morons who buy the bike. It was not a question of "Money vs Responsibility" but rather, keeping a significant number of illiterate morons out of the equation. Hope we both stand clarified now

        And yes, not to forget - whatever price it gets launched for, it will definitely find takers, just for the displacement and power output figures.
        Oh yeah, I'm all for keeping those guys away from road or at least keep them on less powerful bikes, but I think there's also many crazies with plenty of money. And, on the other hand, there's many responsible bike enthusiasts who are on a lesser budget, who'd be affected by higher prices.

        So I'd agree that the best way here would be to introduce stricter DLs, let's say for 200+ cc, and then for 400+ cc, etc. And actually to enforce the rules and not just have them on paper. Ah, maybe one day...

        But, as for the price - I think there's a lot of "politics" going on about setting the Duke's price in a "right" way (for Bajaj) so it not only cuts into new Pulsar's sales but also not to make the new most powerful Pulsar ever a less desirable product, even when price is taken into account.
        In other words, I don't think Bajaj would like to have Duke 390 priced close to Pulsar 375...

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        • Originally posted by splus View Post
          And I can't understand how one can say that a 2.5 lakhs price is a good price.
          Sure, if there's no Duke 200 and its 1.5 lakhs price then you could say that. But if 2.5 lakhs for Duke 390 is a good price then 1.5 lakhs for Duke 200 super mega good price!

          Pricing Duke 390 at 2.5 lakhs will definitely put it out of reach of many people. Be it 44 horses or even if it were 64 horses, have ABS or not, Metzlers or MRF - the price will simply be too high for many prospective buyers and KTM won't sell that many units in India.
          Actually, it'll only make Duke 200 even better value for money, and push sales of Duke 200 up.
          Overseas it'll be a completely opposite story because of very small price difference between 200 and 390.

          I think that Pulsar 375 has much more to do with pricing of Duke 390 than prices of any new parts on Duke 390 (which, come on, from manufacturing point of view, isn't much different from Duke 200).

          2.5 lakhs for Duke 390 will just make me buy Kiirus or Race Dynamics pimped up ECU for my Duke 200 for 10/15k Rs and enjoy 28 hp instead of stock 25.
          It's 16 hp less than 390, little less grippier tires (those MRFs on Duke are quite good btw, I don't know what some here are saying against them!), lack of ABS (which I anyway prefer not to use) with everything else the same as 390.

          I'm not saying 390 isn't worth 2.5 lakhs, I'm saying 200 is much better value for money. Which is very obvious if you know that Duke 200 is priced at 3.5 - 3.8 lakhs overseas...
          If the bold part is your argument, then it doesn't stand in the way of people buying Duke 390. Nobody is going to check if Duke 200 is value for money or not while buying Duke 390. They will check what's competition has got to offer in that range i.e. for a 40+ bhp, 400cc bike. I would like it if Duke 390 is priced at 1.5 lakhs, heck, I would jump from Mount Everest for it @ 1 lakh or less, or i'll go for a joel tuned P200NS. I hope you got the drift! In short people are going to buy Duke 390, because they want to ride a 40+ bhp bike, not because Duke 200 is value for money or not. These are most probably the people who has had enough of 25 bhp bikes, they want something bigger, better.
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          • Originally posted by vrugonnab View Post
            If the bold part is your argument, then it doesn't stand in the way of people buying Duke 390. Nobody is going to check if Duke 200 is value for money or not while buying Duke 390. They will check what's competition has got to offer in that range i.e. for a 40+ bhp, 400cc bike. I would like it if Duke 390 is priced at 1.5 lakhs, heck, I would jump from Mount Everest for it @ 1 lakh or less, or i'll go for a joel tuned P200NS. I hope you got the drift! In short people are going to buy Duke 390, because they want to ride a 40+ bhp bike, not because Duke 200 is value for money or not. These are most probably the people who has had enough of 25 bhp bikes, they want something bigger, better.
            I second you brother
            The fact of the matter is, we are starved of a real affordable & daily rideable powerful bike. We have had our fair share of Pulsar 220 DTSFi & DTSi in the past.
            I myself own a Pulsar 220 DTSi.
            What we need is a superbly handling motorbike with a stupendous Power/Weight ratio.
            The Duke 390 fits the bill exactly. And with all the cycle parts sharing & Platform sharing that BAJAJ-KTM are doing, if it's priced less, the better for us all
            Thank you BAJAJ & KTM

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            • Both KTM 390 Duke and Kawasaki Ninja 300 are going to be launched in Pune on 10th April.

              The Ninja 300 is going to be open for deliveries from 10th itself and the Duke 390 will open for deliveries in a few weeks thereafter.

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              • @sasnoopy22
                Hope that your words come true brother

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                • Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                  You forgot Metzeler Tyres -> +15k (From the discussion earlier in the thread)

                  So does this make it 175k (Satyenology price) + 15k (ABS) + 15k (Stickier tyres) = 205k ??
                  Going by Satyen's logic, you need to subtract the cost of Duke 200's tyres as well.

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                  • 2.5L sounds good for D390. But what about the upkeep cost? Ninja 250 is easy to buy but wayyy too expensive to maintain (16k for chainset and damn expensive break pads) . I Hope the spares for D390 are as cheap as D200.
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                    • Originally posted by hss View Post
                      Going by Satyen's logic, you need to subtract the cost of Duke 200's tyres as well.
                      Haha, yes, the whole thing could be quite cheap.

                      Although, I think if a big company like Bajaj/KTM orders a large quantity of tires for its bikes directly from Metzler then their price for Bajaj/KTM would be FAR lower than a regular market price.
                      Big business =/= retail business.

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                      • Originally posted by riot View Post
                        2.5L sounds good for D390. But what about the upkeep cost? Ninja 250 is easy to buy but wayyy too expensive to maintain (16k for chainset and damn expensive break pads) . I Hope the spares for D390 are as cheap as D200.
                        Everything is practically the same as on Duke 200.
                        So unless they drastically raise the prices for Duke 200 then Duke 390 should be dirt cheap to maintain.

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                        • Originally posted by hss View Post
                          Going by Satyen's logic, you need to subtract the cost of Duke 200's tyres as well.
                          If you look closely, I have *approximately* already done that since the cost of a set of Metzelers for the Duke 390 size (110/70 R17 + 150/60 R17) costs just about 21-22k. Subtracting price of D200 tyres (6-7k) would give you the figure I mentioned in the quoted post.
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                          • Making some kind of license category won't do any good.

                            When ever a potential learner gives a test in front of RTO at that particular moment these all learners stand firm on Gandhiji's principals.
                            At that moment if a small kid too overtakes them by cycle they won't twist their wrist.
                            But as soon as they get the Permanent license all become Rossi's and Michael S instantly and this Indian roads becomes a race track.

                            These all and we all too need to think from more than self center points. Accidents don't only spoil our lives but other innocents too who where no ware responsible in that mishap. But only crime they did they were also driving or riding with that moron at same road and same time.

                            We can't help it, unless until people don't get responsible.

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                              Hoping for the best.

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                              • Nice...any confirmation on price..? around 2.2L and 2.5L does cause a difference in my decision :P
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