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  • Originally posted by Praful View Post
    At present, a single tyre from Metzelers costs 12K. So a tyre change will set you back by 24K atleast. And being soft compound I don't see this lasting more than 15K kms at the most.
    I give lot of importance to tyres, so if they are as or more sticky than those I had on my R15 v1 (which gave great grip in the wet as well) I'm willing to spend 12K on one tyre.
    Although I'll be changing them one after the other and not together
    Just because you haven't seen it doesnt mean its impossible...expect the unexpected.

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    • Originally posted by Praful View Post
      And, what exactly is different?



      At present, a single tyre from Metzelers costs 12K. So a tyre change will set you back by 24K atleast. And being soft compound I don't see this lasting more than 15K kms at the most.



      For everyone talking about the price, read this if you haven't already :-

      The heart of a bike: KTM engine builder talks - KTM BLOG
      you have got wrong information, see the styling is same but not the components
      each and every component must be changed to match new power and load from frame to brakes to horn everything has to be upgraded to new strength.
      eventhough the bike looks similar to D200 but not many components are of same strength and durability.
      so rumored price of 2.5L is very good , ofcourse if it falls short of this amount its even better. but my strong hunch is that might might be priced around 2.2L ex-show
      and to offset the price P350 might be priced well below 2L mark.
      tell me any bike with 250cc + has price less than 2L ? [excluding CBR without ABS] - its None , fact CBR ABS costs 2.1L and GTR costs 3.4L and N250R costs 3.7L . so D390 might score big on pricing.
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      • Duke 390 has all the reasons to pull me towards it specially its approach " Slam Bam Thank you Mam"

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        • Originally posted by nagoo View Post
          you have got wrong information, see the styling is same but not the components
          I don't know where you are reading up all this

          But the Duke 390 is very much the same bike like the 200

          Only differences being the material of the frame, X Ring chain and a bigger caliper for the front brakes (Along with ABS ofcourse). And of course the engine internals which have been mentioned in the blog in my previous post.

          There is no such thing that you talk about upgrading things like horns and other stuff. The bike was "over-engineered" right at the KTM Duke 125 stages.
          Last edited by Praful; 03-20-2013, 04:05 PM.
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          • Originally posted by Praful View Post
            I don't know where you are reading up all this

            But the Duke 390 is very much the same bike like the 200

            Only differences being the material of the frame and a bigger caliper for the front brakes (Along with ABS ofcourse). And of course the engine internals which have been mentioned in the blog.

            There is no such thing that you talk about upgrading things like horns and other stuff. The bike was "over-engineered" right at the KTM Duke 125 stages.
            this is what happens in a starved market.

            remember the arguments people had on the speculation launch thread 6-8 months back

            poojary had given an absolute correct estimates of what constitutes prices
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            • Originally posted by nagoo View Post
              you have got wrong information, see the styling is same but not the components
              each and every component must be changed to match new power and load from frame to brakes to horn everything has to be upgraded to new strength.
              eventhough the bike looks similar to D200 but not many components are of same strength and durability.
              so rumored price of 2.5L is very good , ofcourse if it falls short of this amount its even better. but my strong hunch is that might might be priced around 2.2L ex-show
              and to offset the price P350 might be priced well below 2L mark.
              tell me any bike with 250cc + has price less than 2L ? [excluding CBR without ABS] - its None , fact CBR ABS costs 2.1L and GTR costs 3.4L and N250R costs 3.7L . so D390 might score big on pricing.
              you need different components for different engine sizes. true but only if you are making a single bike. what bajaj (and now probably ktm) does is select components according to biggest engine they plan to launch. even for pulsar 150, its using same frame and suspension and body panels as 220, this reduces inventory size and thus cost. thats why bajaj bike are so competitively priced.

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              • Originally posted by VaibhavPisal View Post
                even for pulsar 150, its using same frame and suspension and body panels as 220
                OT in this thread. But actually the 220 had different frame, brake, suspension (Apart from the engine components of course). The 150 and 180 shared parts, the 200 and 220 shared parts.

                Originally posted by darkknight View Post
                this is what happens in a starved market.

                remember the arguments people had on the speculation launch thread 6-8 months back

                poojary had given an absolute correct estimates of what constitutes prices
                Don't remember Poojary sahebs comment's , but this always happens at every bike launch. Remember the 23 Bhp R15
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                • Originally posted by VaibhavPisal View Post
                  you need different components for different engine sizes. true but only if you are making a single bike. what bajaj (and now probably ktm) does is select components according to biggest engine they plan to launch. even for pulsar 150, its using same frame and suspension and body panels as 220, this reduces inventory size and thus cost. thats why bajaj bike are so competitively priced.
                  The quality of the parts in pulsar 200 counterpart is way cheaper than that of the ktm duke 200. A friend had a low slide a few months back and the bottom half of his right footrest just broke off completely the brake and all. It was just a minor slide and the bike was almost brand new. Hence you can see what exactly you are getting for the money you pay. I can say the parts on the duke are of way better quality and hence bajaj has the upperhand on the pricing. Cheaper pricing always demand a cut down on something somewhere.

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                  • Originally posted by aeroblade View Post
                    The quality of the parts in pulsar 200 counterpart is way cheaper than that of the ktm duke 200. A friend had a low slide a few months back and the bottom half of his right footrest just broke off completely the brake and all. It was just a minor slide and the bike was almost brand new. Hence you can see what exactly you are getting for the money you pay. I can say the parts on the duke are of way better quality and hence bajaj has the upperhand on the pricing. Cheaper pricing always demand a cut down on something somewhere.
                    not necessarily always on the quality.

                    what say you to a brand new duke fell of the side stand & had part replacement required worth 9.5 K

                    not doubting the duke uses great quality but one off incidents shouldn't be generalized
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                    • Originally posted by aeroblade View Post
                      The quality of the parts in pulsar 200 counterpart is way cheaper than that of the ktm duke 200. A friend had a low slide a few months back and the bottom half of his right footrest just broke off completely the brake and all. It was just a minor slide and the bike was almost brand new. Hence you can see what exactly you are getting for the money you pay. I can say the parts on the duke are of way better quality and hence bajaj has the upperhand on the pricing. Cheaper pricing always demand a cut down on something somewhere.
                      Incorrect methodology used to identify quality of components.

                      My bike fell on its side when stationary and the foot rest broke, but it didn't break when I hit the tarmac at 60 Kmph.

                      Breakage is a function of angle of impact, velocity of impact, temperature and many other factors.

                      I'm just saying you're generalizing based some very large scoped assumptions.
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                      • Originally posted by Praful View Post

                        At present, a single tyre from Metzelers costs 12K. So a tyre change will set you back by 24K atleast. And being soft compound I don't see this lasting more than 15K kms at the most.
                        How much does the 160 Dunlop Roadmaster on N650 costs? any idea.
                        Sport Demon 150? How good is that? Looks like Metzelers are costlier than Diablos.

                        50 K an year for tires is huge money for small pockets!

                        Originally posted by aeroblade View Post
                        The quality of the parts in pulsar 200 counterpart is way cheaper than that of the ktm duke 200. A friend had a low slide a few months back and the bottom half of his right footrest just broke off completely the brake and all. It was just a minor slide and the bike was almost brand new. Hence you can see what exactly you are getting for the money you pay. I can say the parts on the duke are of way better quality and hence bajaj has the upperhand on the pricing. Cheaper pricing always demand a cut down on something somewhere.
                        P220 is one bike that tried at all possible abusive uses across the country. I had personally crashed my bike at speeds I am not interested to type in here. No fancy thing like this happened. never heard of them so far. If this is the measure, Discover 100 will be a pile of dust if crashed.
                        However, I am hearing not so happy words from D200 owners! may be poor mechanic, may be poor QA. not sure.
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                        • Originally posted by darkknight View Post
                          not necessarily always on the quality.

                          what say you to a brand new duke fell of the side stand & had part replacement required worth 9.5 K

                          not doubting the duke uses great quality but one off incidents shouldn't be generalized
                          No don't get me wrong I'm not talking about the bike being cheap or anything, just that some of the parts are a bit too brittle. I had that broken piece in my hand and one could clearly see that it is is not the most top notch component to be precise. The quality gap maybe marginal but the price paid for that little margin can in fact be significant.

                          You say I shouldn't generalize, which i wasn't to be honest. But let me ask you, people who review vehicles talk about both the good and bad side of the vehicle they are testing or own. Any bad experience that they have with that particular model would indeed be highlighted so that others could watch out for it. Now is that wrong? Are they just ignorantly generalizing?

                          Lets take a maruthi 800 for example... If someone tells me its a great car... I'll agree. If someone tells me its very compact for city use.... I'll agree again, but if someone tells me that car is top quality.. I'll just whack them with the cracked dashboard piece that's lying around in my backyard.... j/k... but you get the point

                          Originally posted by Praful View Post
                          Incorrect methodology used to identify quality of components.

                          My bike fell on its side when stationary and the foot rest broke, but it didn't break when I hit the tarmac at 60 Kmph.

                          Breakage is a function of angle of impact, velocity of impact, temperature and many other factors.

                          I'm just saying you're generalizing based some very large scoped assumptions.
                          You people are very touchy :P Can't a man openly share his opinion without being marked as someone who just generalizes?

                          Anyway, I do agree with you that the breakage depends on a lot of factors but are you suggesting that quality of the component is not in question ?

                          Lets take carbon fiber and steel for example... both are really strong materials, the carbon fiber being the strongest of the two, able to withstand nearly 4 times the force over steel.

                          and guess which one's costlier?

                          That was infact the only thing that I wanted to point out to you guys. Its not about the companies, its not about the bikes its just about the difference in pricing between the two models that are basically the same.

                          @kochumvk I never even mentioned the 220. ?!

                          I'm talking about the price difference between N200 and the D200 not the 220 which in my opinion is a pretty durable bike.

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                          • Originally posted by hss View Post
                            I really don't think 2.5 Lakh on-road will be a good price. What is in this bike that will take its price so high as compared to Duke 200? It looks exactly like Duke 200, so no differentiation in terms of looks. It shares most of its components with Duke 200. The only different features are engine and ABS and I don't think these two things alone should take the price high by a lakh !! Of course, Bajaj can price it anyway they want, but 2.5 is a little too much in my opinion.
                            Anything less than 2.4-2.5 would cannibalize sales of D200 in my opinion.

                            And i doubt KTM would want that.

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                            • Originally posted by sasnoopy22 View Post
                              Anything less than 2.4-2.5 would cannibalize sales of D200 in my opinion.

                              And i doubt KTM would want that.
                              Haha, you can be assured they VERY MUCH want that. "You say you want to give us 2.2L instead of 1.5L? Yes, please!"
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                              • Originally posted by nagoo View Post
                                you have got wrong information, see the styling is same but not the components
                                each and every component must be changed to match new power and load from frame to brakes to horn everything has to be upgraded to new strength.
                                eventhough the bike looks similar to D200 but not many components are of same strength and durability.
                                so rumored price of 2.5L is very good , ofcourse if it falls short of this amount its even better. but my strong hunch is that might might be priced around 2.2L ex-show
                                and to offset the price P350 might be priced well below 2L mark.
                                tell me any bike with 250cc + has price less than 2L ? [excluding CBR without ABS] - its None , fact CBR ABS costs 2.1L and GTR costs 3.4L and N250R costs 3.7L . so D390 might score big on pricing.
                                Ktm duke 125,200 and 390 all have same cycle parts(Had read it in ktm blog.)125 was over-engineered keeping in mind the 200 and 390.Bajaj's idea, it seems of platform sharing and keeping the costs low.
                                Motorcycling heals, big time...

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