Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

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DTSI is a patented technology. But not twin spark. And spark on a bike being regulated by a onboard computer is not patented by bajaj. Best example RE twin spark uce engine.
P150 and other bajaj bikes are great, for many they were their first big bike. But as per international standard they are not noteworthy as far as design is concerned. They mostly rehash their own old designs just like Hero. Their bikes also aren't the stronger more durable ones in the market. But they have their own place in biking world and that is respectable

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Having more than one spark plug means having a plug for high end, low end, and mid range delivery. Fuel economy does increase but power delivery becomes linear. Bike pulls with same effort in all three power bands. It doesn't make the bike run clean but gives the bike smoother feel and better throttle responce.
Try the double contact spark plug on a single spark bike you'll see my point. I know because am using bosch r66 duel contact on my unicorn 150. Runs smoother and crisper now.

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Honestly bajaj launching the NS with FI will turn it into duke200. I doubt there will be an increase in power but NS will run smoother than the duje due to triple spark tech. So overall not such an exciting piece of news also FI will make it cost more. As far as the derailing of topics is concerned man. This is not a news channel but a forum. People will discuss stuff but you have a point lets keep the discussion about FI and 200NS.

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Balgi, thanks man you have put your views and knowledge again in a proper manner, you are right people will discuss and with discussion both positive and negatives comes into foray, though we should not divert from the main topic which is Fi.

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I know it so only I had put the smiley next to my text plus I agreed that TVS won the case about its usage of two spark plugs in TVS FLAME.

Your thoughts about twin sparks are absolutely correct but I do wonder what is the need for another one in a 200cc block (creating more holes in a small block ).

Instead of bringing in 3 plus plug they should have given DOHC a try because now its a 4valve and a SOHC will prove insufficient.

They should try to reduce the weight of their bike and even the seat height .
Trying to sell NS as a pure street fighter will not work at all.
NS with Fi,25bhp+ power will never cannibalize DUKE as they thought it will.

I see more Dukes today than NS it may give them more profit but underrating their flagship NS will kill the bajaj brand .

So its better to increase the wheelbase(with a semi fairing ),reduce the seat hieght & kerb weight ,give some quality rubber and improve their products overall quality (they have reduced their redline from 10k to 9.5k in new dual tone NS as read in ownership thread ) instead of just plonking a Fuel injection unit in a already not so well selling bike .

Will be happy to see a improved NS with Fi rather than just an Fi with their shoddy wiring (If Dukes wiring is to be compared I wonder how a NS Fi would be ).

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True man true

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What?!!! Four valve SOHC. Wow bajaj can't even copy correctly. Duke 200 is DOHC man. Lol . Please tell me you're joking or else its a new low for bajaj.
Fuel injection will give NS only 25bhp as NS is a lower compression engine than duke.
As I mentioned earlier three plugs will not cause the bike to go faster but only do it more smoothly and in a linear fashion. Each plug is meant to fire at its best on a specific rpm band. 1st on the low end, 2nd plug on mid range, and 3rd one for high range power. Read my earlier post you will see.
They can't improve the bike or reduce weight as it will firstly increase cost and secondly it is not as popular a bike as other options in the market. Especially since 400ss pulsar is in the bottle. I think FI gimic is just so they can make it part of a premium line-up to see if people warm up to it now.

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Nope am not joking
Take a look


This is NS Fi spec


Without any significant changes and increasing the rate will kill the product instantly .

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But bro even plusar 400ss is also an copy cat of duke 390, this Fi scenario is getting whole out of mind everyone is talking of fi, as if only by using fi 200ns or even 400ss would become outrageous bikes, even fz v2 is now using fi, but what transformation it has done just the smoother power delivery at all rpms, but with it yamaha has also reduced the weight of the vehicle and with it the cc of the bike, can bajaj do this sort of changing no i don't think so, they always try to up the bhp as it's common problem with peoples, as they believe more power means more strength.

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Hahahahaha............ Lol wow the Fi ddn't even make a dent in the power band and still SOHC wtf man. Roflmao . New low for bajaj. Wtf they hiring engineering college dropouts as designers ot what. This post made my day. Hahaha....... Can't stop laughing. And worst part. That was for bajaj global man, means they'll sell it to other countries too. Man now I know why the rest of the world makes fun of us man. Someone should write to bajaj and give them a piece of their mind.

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Up the bhp bro? The only significant change in pulsar lineup in ten years was an upgrade from 14.5 to 15.4 bhp for p150 and 17 to 17.5 for p180, not gonna go into specifics but read bajaj bike specs and you will laugh. Others don't change their product until it sells like honda and then suddenly its a significant and welcome change but bajaj and hero just try to compete with each other and customers end up losing in the cross fire. The 200 NS is Bajaj's answer to power commuter segment. I always hated bajaj for this they just don't want anything to do with innovation. And this latest fiasco they call 200NS FI is Bajaj's answer to Chinese copying. They wanna show the world they can copy in an even worse way than the guys who made the infamous gulsar



As for copying dukes is concerned its an agreement between bajaj and ktm but I only wish they knew how to do it right and not give people jokes on wheels instead of value for money bikes. I seriously thought bhp would go up after FI conversion but I guess I forgot it has a lower compression ratio and SOHC.

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Pulsar 150 classic generated 12bhp, pulsar 180 generated 15bhp and with each version bajaj has updated the power n everything else. Now the pulsar 150 itself generates more power than p180 originally did. What are you talking about???
Its called technology sharing not copying and in this case it cannot be called copying at all especially when bajaj owns half of ktm and did you know that duke 200 was developed in india with cordination from bajaj? Did chinese Gulsar developers had any connection with bajaj or own a stake in bajaj?
P200ns uses the bottom half engine of duke and similarities end there. Everything else is different, right from chassis to engine head to gearbox to dynamics to characteristics to power delivery. Pulsar was always about affordable performance and when it comes to performance to price ratio no other bike beats it. Even the duke 200is priced at 150% of pulsar. For high performance needs there is always ktm and bajaj is not addressing premium segment with pulsar range, every bike is designed keeping its customers in mind and why are you behind Dohc? Do you know that honda vtec came with sohc while ford had dohc in fiesta? Any guesses on which performed better?
Sohc has lesser cost due to lesser parts and lesser complexity , more efficiency and better lower n mid range power.
Dohc helps in higher end power but is more complex and costs more.
Not every engine needs top of the range spec.
Going by that logic mahindra would be making tractors with oversquare 4 valves dohc engines which are dud below 3000 rpm, now will that suit farming??? :-D
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First off it is copying. but in this case it is legal because bajaj is partnered with KTM. Bajaj doesn't own KTM. and as far as gulsar developers are concerned they honestly at least copied the bike right making sure the engine is the same as on a pulsar, there is a thread about it you might want to check it out. with the NS bajaj has reduced power by converting the technologically superior DOHC engine from the duke to a SOHC engine for their flashy albeit useless triple spark idea. also the compression ratio was brought down to make the bike smoother at the cost of top speed and pickup. and then they used a carburetor on this bike which is laughable. if they really "OWN" KTM as you say then why not make the engine better or come up with an all new different engine entirely, I mean they obviously have KTM R&D department and design department at their disposal. No, Bajaj "OWNS" nothing they are partnered with KTM just like other manufacturers are partnered with bigger names too.

Going by what you're saying bajaj probably shouldn't have even come up with DTSI as it is pricier tech and more complex. and there is a discover in their lineup which is four valve. Also if bajaj wanted to provide affordable anything they would not advertise their bikes as "premium" and "sports segment" and there are in fact cheaper bikes in the market than most of their lineup.
And you say DOHC are duds below 3000rpm huh.............. well why don't we review that. let's look at both CBR 150 and 250 and the Ninja 300 which are all premium bikes with respectable power figures but none have a problem with generating power under 3000rpm in fact they are famous for their low end torque and city riding capabilities and FYI mahindra tractor is a High compression over-square engine but its diesel so no four valve DOHC needed and it suits farming fine. A bikes capability within a power band is decided not by its cubic capacity but by its cylinder arrangement, its crank and stroke which produce the torque, and its gearbox. which unsurprisingly have the same spec for 200NS as it does for duke 200 only made more cheap with different metallurgical quality. If every bike is designed keeping customers in mind then explain the mindless Hero Moto Corp like reproduction of the same bike with absolutely minor changes that are hard to detect with the naked eye. Yes bajaj has produced some worthy bikes but they are not the best. As far as performance to price is concerned KTM offers it too and there is Hyosung with its 250 lineup, Honda with the CBR lineup, Hell TVS with the apache RTR. oodles of fun the RTR at most affordable prices and highly reliable too.
I said what I said keeping in mind Performance, value for money, comfort, and quality and 200 NS fails at all those fronts. in fact P220 is a much better option as far as value for money is concerned and P200NS doesn't make sense as long as P220 exists with only 1.3BHP less power. I would rather spend money to buy P220 any day than to buy an FI version of CRAP.