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**kusmaker** · 10-03-2014, 05:51 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by Giftonsamuel View Post

The four valves include the exhaust so its totally 7 holes .
And yeah the third spark plug is quite outrageous.

While Bajaj markets the bike with tech the hero moto says nothing much instead says some fancy words ATFT and builds a simpler engine to rock the world .
Simple and durable engines would be more successful than complex stuff that goes wrong often (primarily due to bad quality not technology).

The reason that bajaj still exist is not because of their tech,brand image ,reliability or mileage its because almost all bikes from bajaj are extremely fun to ride when compared to other boring bikes .Hope NS Fi is even more fun and at least a small section will get benefitted .

Oops i faulted again yes technically four valves covers up exhuast also, bajaj might be an fun to ride bike, but then most of the japs bikes are also fun to ride, be it handling, technology, fuel efficiency and relability, more so you can be sure that the product would not be pulled out of market suddenlu, which you can never be sure of bajaj.

**avhad sitaram** · 10-03-2014, 07:24 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by kusmaker View Post

Oops i faulted again yes technically four valves covers up exhuast also, bajaj might be an fun to ride bike, but then most of the japs bikes are also fun to ride, be it handling, technology, fuel efficiency and relability, more so you can be sure that the product would not be pulled out of market suddenlu, which you can never be sure of bajaj.

Bajaj started to make a fun of 200 cc bike... [MENTION=49419]kusmaker[/MENTION] your 1000cc 15 sparks is in pipeline so no worries bajaj is working hard on your dream bike....!!!

**avhad sitaram** · 10-03-2014, 07:30 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by Giftonsamuel View Post

The four valves include the exhaust so its totally 7 holes .
And yeah the third spark plug is quite outrageous.

While Bajaj markets the bike with tech the hero moto says nothing much instead says some fancy words ATFT and builds a simpler engine to rock the world .
Simple and durable engines would be more successful than complex stuff that goes wrong often (primarily due to bad quality not technology).

The reason that bajaj still exist is not because of their tech,brand image ,reliability or mileage its because almost all bikes from bajaj are extremely fun to ride when compared to other boring bikes .Hope NS Fi is even more fun and at least a small section will get benefitted .

How can you say that other bikes are boring bikes and only bajaj makes fun to ride bike....?
Try to ride similar products in the class you will get your answer.

**kusmaker** · 10-03-2014, 07:49 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

No doubt that Fi has got an advantage over carburetted bikes, they give optimal fuel air ratio quantity, burns more percentage of charge, and with it emits less pollutants, but bajaj could have done this when they first launched 200 ns, secondly Honda has already tried this twin spark, and multi valves game in 70s or 80s if i remember correct, to find that advantage is very little and hasn't got anything so special which can't be achieved with even two valves and single spark plug, but bajaj took this old technology used it and maked an hype of it.

**Giftonsamuel** · 10-03-2014, 08:06 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by avhad sitaram View Post

How can you say that other bikes are boring bikes and only bajaj makes fun to ride bike....?
Try to ride similar products in the class you will get your answer.

Sorry for OT

It was my opinion and few of my friends do agree to it .
I had owned a karizma R before and now using Pulsar 220Fi and felt the earlier zma lacked the top end punch which I was looking for and I found it in 220.
Have ridden almost all bikes under 1lak and found NS to be the most fun to ride and 220 was a close second(also my humble opinion ).

Also rode the discontinued Discover 125ST and found it more fun and punchier than other 125cc I have ridden before .

All the above are just my opinion which suits my riding style and few of my friends who have bought those bikes reported the same .I didnt say other bikes are boring to ride its just for a few bunch of people bajaj seemed more fun for their riding style .And I do still have a TVS & Honda in my garage .

let's close the discussion

**avhad sitaram** · 10-03-2014, 08:08 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by kusmaker View Post

No doubt that Fi has got an advantage over carburetted bikes, they give optimal fuel air ratio quantity, burns more percentage of charge, and with it emits less pollutants, but bajaj could have done this when they first launched 200 ns, secondly Honda has already tried this twin spark, and multi valves game in 70s or 80s if i remember correct, to find that advantage is very little and hasn't got anything so special which can't be achieved with even two valves and single spark plug, but bajaj took this old technology used it and maked an hype of it.

Its fun of bike simplicity nothing else ....genuine duke comes with single spark and why this ns reqd three....???

**Giftonsamuel** · 10-03-2014, 08:16 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by avhad sitaram View Post

Its fun of bike simplicity nothing else ....genuine duke comes with single spark and why this ns reqd three....???

There is nothing called original or duplicate .
Its just a sharing done between the two companies.
There are more cars with a same engine for different manufacturers .
Example Suzuki swift uses a FIAT engine and so does tata,Chevrolet.
Renault engine is used in mahindra ,ashok Leyland ,Nissan .
Its for lower R&D cost .
In bajaj/ KTM case bajaj has stakes in KTM and also a good R&D team so they had tried with triple spark .

Edit: the need is that it improves 10 to 15% more mileage than regular single spark plug and provides better combustion at low rpms(source some websites not sure though ).
But still two is more than enough for a 200cc block

Read this

Pulsar 200NS Vs Duke 200 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-biking-discussion/23383-pulsar-200ns-vs-duke-200-a.html

General Biking Discussions: Questions, complaints, concerns, rants & everything in between, of course related to biking.

**kusmaker** · 10-03-2014, 09:21 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

True that Suzuki uses Fiat's engine but they never said developed by suzuki and the words first common rail direct injection engine by suzuki, but bajaj does this thing to stamp the age old technique with its own name, more so when two plugs or three plugs are firing in a cylinder continuously or one after another than one can imagine the amount of blast and heat generated in such small block, and to what i think this huge explosion will reduce the life of the cylinder itself( expert correct me on this if iam wrong), more is not always good or better.

**road_ripper** · 10-03-2014, 09:37 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Amount of blast from what? You mean sparkplugs? Its just a spark and no it won't reduce any engine life. The internal combustion engine itself works on the basis of explosion inside cylinder so blast inside won't harm. The spark plugs debate is going ever since dtsi inception on pulsars and though some of them disagree on advantages, bajaj has been able to cut down on emissions and improve economy while increasing power over conventional engines. The 200ns uses smaller catalytic converter compared to duke 200, now if adding sparkplug was useless then catalytic converter reduction would have failed emissions right?

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**Balgi** · 10-03-2014, 10:02 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by avhad sitaram View Post

Bajaj started to make a fun of 200 cc bike... [MENTION=49419]kusmaker[/MENTION] your 1000cc 15 sparks is in pipeline so no worries bajaj is working hard on your dream bike....!!!

What's next 2000cc 25 spark............. How bad is the bajaj engine that it needs 3 spark plugs and still can't burn fuel efficiently. Dtsi was bad enough but in my opinion more than two plugs are an overkill.

**Giftonsamuel** · 10-03-2014, 10:10 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by kusmaker View Post

Tr bajaj does this thing to stamp the age old technique with its own name, more so when two plugs or three plugs are firing in a cylinder continuously or one after another than one can imagine the amount of blast and heat generated in such small block, and to what i think this huge explosion will reduce the life of the cylinder itself( expert correct me on this if iam wrong), more is not always good or better.

The heat generated will be more but not by a huge difference as the amount of fuel is going to be same.
Plus not all three plugs fire at all rpms and even in their twin spark tech both the spark plug rating is varied and timing is given by CDI.

Also a engine will be developed with suitable materials also accounting for Factor of Safety for the heat and pressure that's generated inside the combustion chamber .

Regarding naming the engine as their own development VAG group has similar engines for Skoda /VW/ Audi yet not many people knew that and since they all from the same owner all three are now using their own engines .
Its the same case for Bajaj it owns and co developed the engine so it can market it as its own development.

**kusmaker** · 10-03-2014, 10:27 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by Giftonsamuel View Post

The heat generated will be more but not by a huge difference as the amount of fuel is going to be same.
Plus not all three plugs fire at all rpms and even in their twin spark tech both the spark plug rating is varied and timing is given by CDI.

Also a engine will be developed with suitable materials also accounting for Factor of Safety for the heat and pressure that's generated inside the combustion chamber .

Regarding naming the engine as their own development VAG group has similar engines for Skoda /VW/ Audi yet not many people knew that and since they all from the same owner all three are now using their own engines .
Its the same case for Bajaj it owns and co developed the engine so it can market it as its own development.

If two or three spark plugs are so good for clean combustion, more power with more mileage and less pollution, then why is it that giants like Honda,Yamaha,Suzuki,Ducati, etc do not use the technique in there own engines as they can develop this engine far far better than bajaj.

**Giftonsamuel** · 10-03-2014, 10:55 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by kusmaker View Post

If two or three spark plugs are so good for clean combustion, more power with more mileage and less pollution, then why is it that giants like Honda,Yamaha,Suzuki,Ducati, etc do not use the technique in there own engines as they can develop this engine far far better than bajaj.

May be because DTS-I is a patented tech by Bajaj

They even sued TVS for using two plugs and TVS won the case and yet settled for a single spark plug .
Royal Enfield uses twin spark tech .

As said by others the tech is used to reduce emission(smaller cat con) and increase mileage .While international brands don't mind inducing Fi and bigger cat con to meet emission standards bajaj uses this cheaper tech which is required in case of Indian scenario .

Comparing bajaj with other global brands is that bajaj is already up their with others in terms of power look at pulsar 150 and other global competition. That doesn't mean that bajaj are the best but it shows that bajaj are not the ones to laugh at .

Their poor product management ,marketing ,durability, build quality is killing their products not their technology .

**avhad sitaram** · 10-03-2014, 11:11 PM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Originally posted by Giftonsamuel View Post

May be because DTS-I is a patented tech by Bajaj

They even sued TVS for using two plugs and TVS won the case and yet settled for a single spark plug .
Royal Enfield uses twin spark tech .

As said by others the tech is used to reduce emission(smaller cat con) and increase mileage .While international brands don't mind inducing Fi and bigger cat con to meet emission standards bajaj uses this cheaper tech which is required in case of Indian scenario .

Comparing bajaj with other global brands is that bajaj is already up their with others in terms of power look at pulsar 150 and other global competition. That doesn't mean that bajaj are the best but it shows that bajaj are not the ones to laugh at .

Their poor product management ,marketing ,durability, build quality is killing their products not their technology .

Search and see the twin spark patent history bajaj are too late in a scenario....actualy small capacity engine does not require even two sparks at all and its a fact...!!!

**Cleaner** · 10-04-2014, 01:24 AM

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

From news to FI to aviation to experience to spark plugs, this thread has derailed more than all the trains of the Old West combined. Dear moderators, maybe it is time to lock down the thread till further newsworthy info regarding the Fi system comes.

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