Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

I think Fi is more reliable than a carburettor as there is just a injection unit which is controlled by an onboard computer, the only problem occurs due to low grade fuel quality, in which we Indians are master, plus there is shortage of skilled technicians, you can't find a good mechanic who can tune a carburettor properly leave alone the sorting of any Fi malfunction, most of the advanced carburettors are quite good and gives troubl free performance, one should not merely go for an Fi just because it is using computers, remember it's the man who has made computer and not vice-versa, most of the american giants like harleys, indian, and other private players still use carburettors and single spark plug in there machines to very good effect.

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Ultimate pain is when they advice you to convert to carb every time you visit SVC .
Last time I went for changing a starter motor solenoid and they were betting that the bike will become faulty very soon and its better to convert to carb(starter motor is no way related to Fi) .The last time was a year ago.
So the next time when I really get a Fi related problem I have no choice left either converting to carb or scrapping it .
This is the real situation of phased out Fi owners in India hope this gets changed .
This is for pulsar 220 .

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Sadly we r those victims of problems but people who doesnt have any experience regarding fi service issue never understand the situations felt by the person who owns it.

in future if any fi owner wishes his second bike to be fi one then it will be the success and good future for fi bikes.
imo there are not too much

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

Here, let me jump in the middle of the battlefield.
FI is the best, there is no denying it, no matter what others say. FI units made by Bosch in India costs almost as same carburetor units currently being used in motorcycles. Also UCAL would soon jump on the FI bandwagon, making FI systems even less expensive. This translates to no cost increase in the finished product (Some manufacturers would increase the price a little bit though, because they are always looking to hike the prices of everything. Oppa onion style!).

FI is better in terms of usability, you know the engine starting at the first press of the starter button no matter how cold it is outside. On a carb, we have to kick a lot of times to start the engine. Also, a lot of new bikes (including the Pulsar 200NS) has no kick start option meaning too many attempts to start an engine unsuccessfully would drain the battery and you would have to push start it. Imagine that happening on a deserted road in the middle of nowhere when it is freezing outside. There is no magical carb fairy who would come to your rescue.

Another complain about FI is the unreliability, FI systems are reliable, it is just that when Bajaj tried to implant FI system on the P220, they were way ahead of their time, the infrastructure and the market was not ready at that time. Also, the FI systems used back then were not as reliable as they are now. Things have changed since then, now Bosch have a plant in India, and they are producing ECUs here, the one used in Pulsar 200NS is made here by Bosch and the same ones are being used in BMW cars too.

Next argument against FI is that you need to have certain amount of petrol left in the tank for the FI system to work properly, the theory is that to maintain fuel pressure so the fuel pump can work properly one needs to have around 3 liters of petrol in the tank. People complain that they can not use the tank of oil till the last drops of it, well, you are supposed to refill every time the bike hits reserve, which is 2.4 liters in case of the P200NS, we Indians are still "kitni deti hain?" type of guys and often ride in reserve capacity. I say it is a problem with our mentality, not the FI system. Also, riding with low fuel once in a while would not harm anything, just do not do it regularly.

About incompetent mechanics for FI systems, there are incompetent mechanics everywhere for every systems, we even see IT guys who does not know anything at all. We had our college website hosted by such an IT guy in a office computer running Win XP SP2 and XAMPP using A records in 2013, no wonder the site got hacked. Hell, this xBhp site ran an old version of the forum script full of SQLi for a long time, took a lot of feedbacks to get the admin to update it. This time Bajaj would do it right, as they already have trained the ProBiking mechanics in FI system as the Dukes run on FI.

EDIT: About the aviation industry and FI, only GA seems allergic to FI and uses carbs, and carburetor ice is more dangerous than FI system shutting down, when you take into account the frequency of occurrences.

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plz read all above posts carefully and pour your comment after that.
FYI Fi system can use upto last drop of petrol (my experience)
i am dealing with aviation engine since ten odd years but never see a small capacity fi engine on a small aero model too.
carburettor has its own advantages and disadvantages as fi has.

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My carb bajaj bike never ever had cold start problem in its 5 years life so far. More than once I have left bike unused for 20+ days without doing a single storage procedure and still after 20+ days at 5 degrees outside the bike started at the first crank itself every time. I don't even remember the last I had to use the second crank. Anyway you'll see what I mean in few days.

Maybe other manufacturers are using substandard carbs and starter motors creating this common public perception about carbs. I think all scooters have cold start problem.

Naa, he is saying one should keep enough petrol in the tank to keep the fuel pump lubricated as modern fuel pumps don't have inherent lubrication (like older models) and fuel itself is used for lubrication in them.

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I always attack the idea, not the person.
For your kind information FI system can not use petrol in tank till the last drop, even carburetor systems can not do so. It is good that you have been in the aviation industry for a decade, the reason you do not see FI system in small capacity engines is the cost. BTW experience alone does not teach us much without theoretical knowledge, in the scenario mentioned above by you, your experience made you believe that FI system can use all the petrol in tank. You can get very low like 300ml in the tank, but it will damage the fuel pump due to low fuel pressure.

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I am just indiacating that in case of emergencies fi system can suck all the petrol from the fuel tank thats it.
And fi system has way better cold start ability in extreame temp range.
I had not quoited in any of my above post that fi is good or bad to that of carb and vice versa but indiacate the problems and easiness of both in aftersale service.

Re: Bajaj Pulsar 200NS to get Fuel Injection?: xBhp News

First of all, Bajaj is using the same carb like others, almost all the manufacturers source their CV carbs from UCAL Fuel Limited which produces Mikuni carbs under license. Pulsar 150, 180, 220 all uses BS32 carb, P200NS uses BS33 and P135 and other discovers use BS26 IIRC. The reason that you do not suffer from cold start issues is because Pulsars and Discovers have auto-choke facility, a system which utilizes a solenoid to automatically push the choke lever when the cylinder temperature is low. They utilize a temperature sensor for that function, which is a blue colored plug connected to the cylinder.

So, all that means carbs are not foolproof too, if the sensor fails you would be having cold start problems and there is not an easy way to manually push the choke lever in auto-choke bikes. As you said, you have not experienced any cold start issues in 5 years that does mean the sensors used by Bajaj are reliable enough. Hence, sensors failing in FI system should not be a common issue.

Another thing, I live in Nort-East India, a place full of bio-diversity, which means the temperature near my home could be 5 degrees and just 100 kilometers away, it would be snowing all over the place. I often go out at night to those hilly places to make myself feel better and a carb would be troublesome in frequent altitude and temperature change.

Anyway, there would be no more comments on this FI thing from my side. FI is surely coming and it is the future, whether you like it or not.

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Imo In aviation industry you will not get the proper experience without proper theorotical knowledge and tell me plz few names of aircraft which uses fi system atleast in india.
Regarding usage of petrol by fi fuel pump try yourself and see the result, everyone knows here about what a least amount of petrol to be kept in a tank for what purpose.

Imo theorotical knowledge is a must but without proper experience its equaly useless.

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Got a hard earned manual choke here so I'm cool .

I agree FI is future and my future bike will have FI.

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HAL Basant.

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Yeah, HAL does make good showpieces for museums and from the name of this, I think it must be a garden or a park edition.

I do completely understand your arguments, FI is very well known and it really doesn't need to prove itself.

Coming back to topic, people voting here for FI, voted mainly because they heard good things about FI. Not even 1% of them are going to buy this bike.

For me? I like P200NS very much. I'm in love with this bike. I very much want this bike to live on. Right now Pulsar 200NS is really struggling in sales. I haven't seen the numbers but from the roadscene I can easily guess, P180, P220 with their ancient technology are beating P200NS hands down. Now once they plonk FI into 200NS, the prices will also be raised by 10-12k. And that my dear friend, in India, will make struggling Pulsar 200NS a complete dud (as in super flop product). I want Pulsar 200NS to live and that's why it should stay away from FI.

P200NS is only one of the two bikes above 1 lac which is a mainstream product (the other being R15). Niche products like Dukes and CBR can go flop themselves in India and still no harm will cause to the manufacturers. But when a mainstream product behaves like a niche, it sure piles up tons of losses for the manufacturer. And from a bajaj shareholder's point of view I really wouldn't like to see that happen.

So there you go, with all my heart and brains, I really don't want Pulsar 200NS to get FI for India.

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HAL ......????

Are you joking...???

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I think HAL started making this Basant agriculture aircraft near late 1970s, and then it was redesigned as MK-II, it was a conventional braced low wing monoplane with fixed tail landing gear, and only 39 were built when production siezed in 1980, but did it came with Fi and that too in 1970s.