Re: Yamaha R25 Launched in Indonesia

Wondering who is going to ride in tracks everyday! Touring. Yes, people do it whenever they want but tracks? Give the bike a chance to grow over you. We havent seen the bike in flesh, have we? Again, looks are subjective. Handling.. being a yamaha, i am pretty sure its going to be one of the best in its class.. lets wait and see for ourselves before commenting on it any further..

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This thread gets recurring posts Every few days and its the same discussion. looks like this has to be closed til the bike is launched. Not sure from where you people get so much time to think all this.

Hardly seen anyone discussing about the bike and what it has rather discussion about what it should have been and what not.

Regarding the looks. I understand that we care about the looks, I do, in my opinion putting the r15 fairing over another bike does not make that bike to perform better or same as r15. I guess we have seen that trend. Remove ninja250 and r25 fairing and put some other bikes fairings they will stil perform their best. We are concerned about how we look, yes, but here we are talking about "clothes" and "shape" and not face alone.

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no one said that, unless you misread something :-)

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Looking at the stance, I don't expect it to be a track machine too. It's pretty heavy but that's what's attractive this time around for touring.

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The guys here clamouring for a deltabox as though that is the next best thing to heaven, do you really think Yamaha R&D would not know this fact and whether it suits R250 for that matter. If they decided that tube frame is good for R250 then it is so, unless we have other reliable data.

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^^
As I was one of them who was bragging about the Delta box, I would like to say that every R&D engineer of each bike company knows more than the common people like us. But does that mean all the other bikes out here are flawless or have no issues?
That is not the case right. Many bikes have design issues or perform lesser because of the engine/chassis and other factors.

I am also a Yamaha fan and I will book the bike the day it will launch in India but that should not stop me from saying what I didn't like or what could have been better.

If people did not complain about the smaller rear tyre and ask for sportier design for R15 (V1), Yamaha would not have come up with V2, right?

So, there is no issue in arguing in what people like or don’t like unless and until it is going nowhere.

If it’s expected that people will discuss only about the good things about the Bike, then this should not be a discussion thread rather an information thread. And that kind of information is available in thousands of places in internet, why would visit this thread then?

And the main thing, why is the comparison with M1 then....is there any similarity other than the Yamaha tag ?

These kind of questions are bound to come.

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Cost control. The 250/300cc market is currently more competitive and price sensitive than the 125/150cc market. So, while companies like Yamaha can go all out and give upside down forks/perimeter frame in their R125s and R15s, they are required to make certain calculated compromises (as it might seem) to control production cost and sales price while delivering almost save levels of handling and performance.

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totally agree with Kuntal. I remember talking to him about booking the bike in bulk the day it is launched. When its an open forum, discussions will be there.
On another note, frankly all of us were eagerly waiting for an upgrade to r15. Now the question is WHEN? its been long since they came up with something new apart from colors. when almost all the comapnies have shifted to bigger displacement bikes, Why not speed it up when I suppose they know India is thriving market for two wheelers. Mebbe they have a strategy or are in the pipelien to launch something new. We did see honda launching new cbr overseas but not here.
RnD people are there to worry about the frame, swingarm, forks. How many of us go for a weekend ride on twisties to test or rather experience the frame? I have seen people going gung-ho on the corners while riding pulsars. No offence to the pulsar riders. ( I rode one for 5 years) Does it make any difference? if you are not on the track and have a deltabox frame, diamond frame, tube frame . yes forks matter when it comes to comfor and the ease of riding over uneven roads. on the looks. Yes they do matter. you not gonna put in 3L to but a bike which looks ugly. some crazy heavy a**ed metal behemoth driving on the road powered by a puny 250cc engine. No right ?
i wont come to baby M1 comapro, it was may be only limited to the color scheme (that too rather sheepishly, not a big deal about that when we have comapnies claiming their bike to be the best in class etc.
Initially I did like the bike but then I was expecting something more agreesive in seating position than r15. It was my expectation like we all have about some or the other thing. There's a fair amount of healthy discussion going on which is sane enough , taking into consideration that we have diff likes when itcomes to the biek scenario.

Cheers all.

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Tyres cannot be compared to a chasis, the latter is a design decision but the former more of a visual appeal. If you know well the R15v1 was very optimal but by adding wider tyres they improved the looks but not performance.
Of course one is free to like or dislike any part of the product but it went beyond that to questioning the Yamaha logic of having a tubular frame vs a deltabox which I felt was going little overboard considering they spent close to 2 years in coming out with this design.

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That's your assumption. But in reality the performance of V2 is better than V1. Please clarify from a pro.
And tyre is just a visual thing not part of design ? Again, please reconsider your statement.


Not giving Delta box may be a reason to reduce cost.....or something different.
But you just can't say that Tubular frame is better than Delta box when a R series bike is considered and comparison with M1 is made.

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Are you sure what you're saying? If tires would have been for visual appeals only, SBK owners, who want better mileage than looks, should have already changed to smaller section tyres. Companies like Michelin, Pirelli would not have invested so much on their R&D departments. We would not have to worry about tyre's performance and worn out tyres.

Yes I agree. But whatever R&D has done, and I am sure they have done a great job as always, I would still suggest that deltabox frame will always rank above tubular frame, the reason of it being present in M1.

Delta Box is better than tubular frame and that's without any doubt. But as this is mostly designed as an everyday SBK, I guess tubular frame is the best way to go for, mostly in term of cost effectiveness.

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Thats the problem with this thread, any person who brings up/ discusses negative points on R25 will be pounced upon. Everyone knows that Yamaha pulls all the strings of heart when it comes to engines but as an overall package this bike is neither here (supersport) nor there(tourer) is what i feel, whats wrong in discussing shortcomings of a bike? why everyone pounces on person who says negative points? For sure there are some negatives for R25 whether everyone accepts or not is secondary.
You were spot on with V1 and V2 R15 point, look at the changes and how beautiful V2 is and it happened because of feedback from market.
Yamaha knows it has fan base who are ready to pay premium for special bikes then why make compromises?
However, I'm 90% fixated on buying this bike, will reserve my comments until i ride it.

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I don't think Yamaha even mentioned anything about Baby M1 when they revealed the R25 with Rossi riding it.. it just had the race fit body if I am correct.. even in that video, the R25 didn't have a Delta box.. it was us who expected too much thinking it will look like the M1?? isn't the M1 a track bike?? they might give it the M1 looks if they are going to use the R25 in tracks..

When I first watched the video, i thought the video was about M1 and Rossi.. the moment they showed R25 with the name R25 and not Baby M1.. i was too excited like everyone here. but i knew it wasn't going to be the production model. it was just us who were coming to every conclusion about the bike and then blaming yamaha for not making it look like a M1..

again.. My question is.. who will be going on track every day? is it possible to ride a track bike in city traffic?? where our back will pain? Lets just wait and see on how the bike looks in flesh..

another reason could be Price cut?

Sorry for quoting you

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+100 bang on! thank you for that!

People assume, hell they can assume anything. yamaha didnt say "M25" in the video. they redesigned the outer body for it to suit the masses. people who expected (or assumed) the same design in production were like "alice in wonderland". the r1 is the road version of m1 (tech and all) but does it look like m1? no right. and the r25 as shown in video is an r25 and not "m25" .

You can get the colour scheme though not sure if it will be in production

In this they said "r25 is a baby m1 that you can ride everyday"

pretty sure they mean ride everyday on the city roads and not the track. their move to go for this frame would be that the deltabox demanded the all out race bike design and also putting the same or more pressure on the rider like the r15v2, hence they would have approached this. now they didnt cheat us of deltabox because they were pretty clear with the prototype that it wont have deltabox. I highly disagree with cost cutting theory. they can compromise on something else for cost cutting but the frame?


"New design signature"

does this mean from here on it will be this design on the upcoming bikes? the front end i mean and not the whole bike. recently there was news about new r1 redesigned and being launched. yamaha did change their design few years back of the r1. and the r15 that was launched was based on the design of older r1 models (pre2004), the ffront end i mean.

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As I said earlier, you get thousands of places in internet where there are thousands of more info than this thread.

Please check the official Yamaha-Indonesia site: http://www.yamaha-motor.co.id/newsdetail/archive/2014/june/article/100-instruktur-yamaha-test-ride-r25-lebih-dekat-dengan-baby-m1.html
Here they have mentioned it as 'Baby M1'. And I can show you many such instances.

'Baby M1' is not one fan boy’s impression, the way Yamaha has marketed it and in there website only they have mentioned it.
I hope you have watched the video closely. Those 2 bikes were almost similar. So what is wrong with the expectation ?

No one is complaining about it being a sports-tourer kind of bike. The issue is what people have expected after seeing the Video. I am just saying on those points. If there is a shortcoming in that bike or not as per many ppl's expectation...what is wrong in that ?

P.S. I had to quote you