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Well in that case I guess you have a point. And as I said Yamaha is in its comfort zone. Until they damn near unable to make money selling fz and r15s I guess they won't bother with anything else. That's how lazy they are.
The Rx series clicked so they didn't bother with any other bikes for s decade or more. Then the 110/125cc bikes clicked so nothing else for close to a decade. That is their business strategy (quite a lousy strategy).

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R25 Review by TOPGEAR...... "The Quarter Master" Gets 8/10

Better looking than R1 , Revs to 13k RPM every single time and you got to look at the speedo to Know you are doing 170kmph......

Most important thing....Even TG has a doubt whether its gonna be R3 or R25 Either way, we have a winner

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With due respect, the *enthusiasts* you're talking about are too less in number when compared to the *mass commuters*. Hence, Yammy may not find it economical at this point of time. Simultaneously, they know they're losing customers to KTM. Trust me, they're more worried/frustrated than us lot. Hope to see a major announcement (not the upcoming R1) from them soon!

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I disagree, how can they lose customers to KTM when they don't have a bike in thatn category on sale? And the so called enthusiasts are what the bikes are for and if the company doesn't rise above the bread&butter commute vehicle they will go under in the long run. No need to worry as the market is warming up regarding enthusiasts which is why we see so many new releases and Yamaha has its crowd to bank on which is not less going by R15 numbers.

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Trust me losing customers to KTM is not something that is giving them sleepless nights. They think and I agree that India is not ready for a premium bike at a premium price. When I say this I am not talking about Ninja's. Yes, they are selling, but the numbers they are clocking isn't encouraging for Yamaha. Any nice 250-300 cc that gets launched will be compared to RC's on cost front and it wont do good numbers. May be that 1 unit they brought to India for R&D is to evaluate how much localisation they can achieve and if making it here will be a profitable exercise. They are here to do business and at the end profit is what matters.

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That TG article was fantastic *goosebumps* - Nice one Siddharth!

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I meant to say *potential* customers. Also, Yammy can't rely on only Yamaha purists because they have been waiting for quite some time now. I agree that 70% of Yamaha's dedicated users would wait for a Yamaha, but still quite a few would move to the competition.


That's what I meant by numbers. Yamaha wants a piece of the larger pie, i.e. mass commuters.
Also, pricing the new bike near KTMs is well.....

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I think Yamaha has failed in the lower segment game. And they know it. They then decided to focus on the 150 cc segment and they did pretty well. Not as well as they would have liked but pretty well. The truth of the matter is India has been an important market for them, but they just haven't been able to crack it. And no matter how big a fan you are of the tuning forks, the fact remains it is due to their own short sightedness. The company has just failed to move at the right time to the right products. They could have launched their MT 07 and MT 09 series, which are affordable fun bikes internationally,but they didn't. They could have upped the R15's game a bit by let's say boring it out to 180 cc. They didn't. And now with R25/3 they are again going to be caught in the headlights. The ninja 300 doesn't sell much at that price point. So there is no reason to believe the R3 will. Unless KTM revises its price to around 3 lakhs, Yamaha is going to find it extremely hard to sell more than a few. R3 is going to be a brilliant bike but it is not going to be a better bike worth the extra lakh and a half over the KTM. Just like ninja was never a lakh and a half better bike than the CBR. And if things aren't VFM they don't sell in India. Yamaha has a long history of landing themselves in a situation where they have a good product but a shitty strategy, and something tell me history is going to be repeated again.

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[MENTION=8461]forty6[/MENTION] if we go by your analysis then no one except Bajaj and probably Hero can justifiably sell bikes in our country. Consider that Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and the likes have been making and selling motorcycles longer than any Indian manufacturer and they supply worldwide so we should not be surprised that their strategy will not be to make CD100 version for every market they enter nor a KTM type arrangement because they are not in dire need of money from other companies.

The business of making bikes is not a 2 or 5 or 10 year stint, so all this price difference between their bikes and others now will not matter for the big companies in the long run. See how Hero got pushed to second spot within 5 years of Honda entering the market.

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very rightly said, even though I am an Avid Yamaha Fan. but what Forty6 said is very right. I dont know who is doing there marketting strategy and even I am surprised that when the other Two Wheelers OEMs are oomphing with so many variety of Motorcycles around them, Yamaha is just ignoring the facts and moving on its own path. They fail to recognize that this may lead to loosing there Customers big time. Yamaha should always realise onething, that everyday is not a Sunday and hence they should stop expecting that a Miracle with YZF-R15 worked for them in 2008, but now the scenario is very different.

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Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. I own a ninja300 and i feel it is better than what the lower priced competition has to offer. Dont pounce on me for that. Better for me is not just rupee to bhp ratio. Better for me is the overall package which includes Quality, refinement, legendary reliability levels and the most important part beinniggle free and fuss free ownership which gives me peace of mind.
If I were to buy a bike again today i would still choose the Ninja. Not everyone is looking for vfm bikes, atleast i am past that stage.
Clearly no company will launch premium bikes here until there are more people like me who think on these lines. Dont single out yamaha for not launching mt series. Which manufacturer has launched such premium bikes at price you desire? Accept it, high quality bikes wont be cheap. Sooner we accept sooner manufacturers will launch bikes we desire.

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YAMAHA standalone companion no comparisons.

1+ to YAMAHA

Yes YAMAHA

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Yamaha did try, for a long time, to crack the 100cc segment. They failed. Also remember when Honda came to India they started selling scooters and single handedly revived the scooter business in India. Bajaj which almost closed down before Pulsar rescued them was the scooter king and just couldn't sell scooters anymore. The point I am trying to make is that you have to crack markets, no one thought India needed scooters, except Honda and they got it right. Bajaj decided they wanted to have a niche in 150cc+ segment and they cracked that. Yamaha, and maybe rightly so, decided they will own the racing pedigree, and yet all they have is maybe two products to own that segment. Their product planning and launch is really pathetic. Their products are not. That they are wrong somewhere can be gauged by the fact that there are what maybe 10 pages discussing R3 and maybe 100 discussing RC390. The R3 doesn't deserve this, it is a beautiful and brilliant product, but Yamaha does.

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Me and my friend around 4 years ago bought two bikes. He bought a ninja and i bought a CBR. Obviously price was an issue, but if i really wanted I could have gotten the ninja. But i just couldn't convince myself that it is worth double the money. Call it my middle class mentality. Anywho, we went on long trips, to the hills and where not, and everywhere I could keep up with him. Sometimes in the twisties I could get ahead for a bit too. And I won't deny the quality of that bike is far better than the Indian made CBR. But at the end of the day CBR outsells Ninja. Would that be the case if Ninja was made here? That is the question. Should the company invest in setting up a plant here to try and sell its bikes or should it continue to enjoy a niche market and mindspace. Sometimes that is a good strategy but maybe not now. What is the point of having an image but really few buyers. Don't think I am advocating that the bikes should be priced at the same point. But come on a ninja 300 at 4 lakhs and a 650 at 5.5 lakhs. And a KTM RC at 2.3. It is too vast a difference for people to pick a ninja 300. Or for that matter a R3. I do admire the R3 and ninja but I really don't have that kind of cash to not think about which is a VFM. An R3 and Ninja 300 closer to 3 lakhs or a bit above that is game on. Closer to 4 I think you have lost the battle. Of course that doesn't mean they won't sell at all. There will be people like you and my friend who will buy these bikes, but I do feel these bikes deserve a bit more success. Hence.

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yamahas strategy for the indian market is simple - play the volumes game-sell more and earn more.. Thats why they entered the scooter segment when the market analysis points to growing no. of customers for scooters. There was a time when the companys reputation was at an all time low , somewhere around the 2004-2008 time period. i remember reading in some auto magazines that yamaha was planning on quitting india. They needed a product that can re-ignite the passion among the enthusiasts and re-kindle the company's reputation. In came the R15- an r series product which was simply amazing. the fazers and the fzs followed . The company literally had a rebirth. what i feel( looking at the sales of ninja 300 and the recently launched aggressively priced ktms) the R3/R25 will make any substantial sales only if they are priced agressively, which means they have to be manufactured in india. Huge investments need to be put in setting up a plant that can manufacture these products. the big question is will yamaha be willing to do that?

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Guys Guys.... Keep the discussions clean. No comparisons please. Dont make the mods lock this thread also i Dont know why this happens to every Yamaha thread