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  • #136
    Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

    Originally posted by zikzak View Post
    Honestly i wanted to buy the fi+abs+pirelli version of this bike, but after TD I'm a bit disappointed. May be i need to take TD again in some other showroom.
    Yes you need a new TD since you drove the bike with many conditions that normally any bikes shouldn't have.
    Also you should wait for a TD for the FI version, heard they are much more smoother then the Carb version.

    End of the day take TD of both the Carb and FI under normal conditions
    "Biking: the Under-Rated and Drug-Free Antidepressant"


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    • #137
      Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

      1. Can anyone confirm the Top Speed ?
      2. Which pillion seat is comfortable and big when compared to Pulsar 200 AS/NS ?
      3. Is the pillion seat hieght on Apache higher than AS/NS200 ?

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      • #138
        Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

        Originally posted by Punto@bang View Post
        Guys,
        Questions for those who have done the test drives here.
        how much you will rate against mojo and duke 200?
        ride quality,vibration,acceleration.
        Mojo and Duke has 6 gears both may be having relax drive for 110 above so how RTR performs here in the 5th gear.
        i am looking for 200-300 cc segment with ABS so I can wait for sometime for better bike.
        The bike comes at a different price point but still the quality is amazing. TVS uses Minda switches and the bike looks absolutely like any premium bike should look like. You can always nitpick but then again i felt it's build better than Duke. Mojo on the upper hand is a much bigger motorcycle and has longer gear ratios so its better for cruising. The 200 4V is much better than the duke in this department though, as said hardly any vibrations and the bike feels very free to revv.

        Originally posted by FZERIDER View Post
        1. Can anyone confirm the Top Speed ?
        2. Which pillion seat is comfortable and big when compared to Pulsar 200 AS/NS ?
        3. Is the pillion seat hieght on Apache higher than AS/NS200 ?
        1. I have see videos varying from 144-147kmph. I hope you know TVS always claims the top speed they can achieve on their test track.
        2. The seats are nothing like the duke or RS/NS. They feel like wooden in comparison.
        3. That you've to check side by side.

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        • #139
          Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

          Inquired at Matrix TVS in Mira Road, Mumbai. They have new Victor but Apache 200 has not yet come. They are expecting the new bike in April.

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          • #140
            Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

            Originally posted by zikzak View Post
            So today i went to Tristar TVS to check the bike. Surprisingly they had a test ride bike. So got a chance to test ride the bike. Bike is pretty good. Typical 200cc bike.
            1) seats are comfortable
            2) powerful enough for city ride, will surely miss 6th gear in high speed / highway cruise.
            3) it has vibration
            4) bike tank looks beefy
            5) brakes were sharp and very responsive
            6) wheel lock quickly when you kick the break hard.
            7) bike feels jerky when we accelerate quickly.

            .....

            Originally posted by JishnuSur View Post
            I have test driven the bike too.
            1. Agreed
            2. Does upto 147Kmph on the speedo.
            3. Nope it doesn't. Whatever it has, its in the top of the range 9000rpm and beyond and much lesser than any 200cc bike. Any 200cc.
            4. Yes
            5. Like always and the 240mm is something.
            6. Isn't that obvious?
            7. That's because of your choke issue. The bike accelerates very linearly till 8500-9000RPM power generally coming in after 2500~2700RPM.

            ....

            Hope this helps.
            @zikzak and @JishnuSur. Excellent feedback of the Test ride. This is why I like xbhp.

            I am reiterating the theoretical comparison. Assuming all conditions are ideal and power/torque curves are linear.
            And few assumptions w.r.t. Rpm.

            RTR 200 Duke 200 Pulsar AS200
            Max. Power 20.2bhp@8,500rpm 25bhp@10,000rpm 23.2bhp@9,500rpm
            Max. Torque 18.1Nm@7,000rpm 19Nm@8,000 18.3Nm@8,000rpm
            Rpm @100kmph in Topgear ~6700(Carb) ~7000 ~6800
            %Power Used @100kmph (Rpm@100kmph/Rpm Max. @ Max.Power) ~79% ~70% ~72%
            %Torque used @100kmph ~95% ~87.5% ~85%
            For a highway, performance figures are obvious. Though Duke and RTR are naked bikes.

            But, what about Ride quality?

            P.S. - Please do not jump to conclusion from this comparison, as it is not 100% real world.
            Moderators            - Please delete the post if there is a violation.
            Last edited by jetsetgo08; 03-17-2016, 09:31 AM.

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            • #141
              Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

              Originally posted by jetsetgo08 View Post
              @zikzak and @JishnuSur. Excellent feedback of the Test ride. This is why I like xbhp.

              I am reiterating the theoretical comparison. Assuming all conditions are ideal and power/torque curves are linear.
              And few assumptions w.r.t. Rpm.

              RTR 200 Duke 200 Pulsar AS200
              Max. Power 20.2bhp@8,500rpm 25bhp@10,000rpm 23.2bhp@9,500rpm
              Max. Torque 18.1Nm@7,000rpm 19Nm@8,000 18.3Nm@8,000rpm
              Rpm @100kmph in Topgear ~6700(Carb) ~7000 ~6800
              %Power Used @100kmph (Rpm@100kmph/Rpm Max. @ Max.Power) ~79% ~70% ~72%
              %Torque used @100kmph ~95% ~87.5% ~85%
              For a highway, performance figures are obvious. Though Duke and RTR are naked bikes.

              But, what about Ride quality?

              P.S. - Please do not jump to conclusion from this comparison, as it is not 100% real world.
              Moderators              - Please delete the post if there is a violation.
              The ride is a good balance. Neither it is too hard nor too soft. It soaks up bunks very well unlike the previous gen RTRs which many along with me felt were very hard. The new KYB suspension have been tuned really well though i felt front fork travel could do away just a little bit. Last sentence, it is nothing like the previous generation RTRs.
              Regards

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              • #142
                Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                I need bike expert suggestion on buying this bike for longdrive and city commuter. Does lack of 6th gear effect bike by stressing engine in top speed. Atleast I need bike in good condition, hassle free for 5years. Pls anyone with Honest suggestion.

                I always wanted to buy 200cc bike that is new to market that give Head turns .

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                • #143
                  Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                  If we see the rpm figures RTR feels stressed out for attending top speed and will struggle to reach the top speed after 100kmph but duke 200 will be relaxed,less stress due to high rev band reach and still some juice left out after 100kmph.
                  so RTR rpm rev band is good for city but if somebody looks for highway performer look some where else in this segment.

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                  • #144
                    Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                    Apache is.definitely not the bike for highways.surely you can but this bike would struggle post 100.the most relaxed would be AS and then duke,duke being the quickest .
                    Also the apache can't be compared with duke although both are naked.duke is way way faster and powerful than apache,even post 100 its ready to roll.
                    Regarding vibes,someone mentioned it has zero vibes.I absolutely disagree with it.how much time was the TD ridden?and how come a new bike won't have vibes.I would highly appreciate if someone has a practical experience rather than Internet ones.
                    Apache is a very new bike and its too early to say anything.

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                    • #145
                      Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                      Originally posted by Punto@bang View Post
                      If we see the rpm figures RTR feels stressed out for attending top speed and will struggle to reach the top speed after 100kmph but duke 200 will be relaxed,less stress due to high rev band reach and still some juice left out after 100kmph.
                      so RTR rpm rev band is good for city but if somebody looks for highway performer look some where else in this segment.
                      I'll only recommend you to take a proper test ride and decide. The 4th and 5th gears are taller gears. There is a correction to make
                      85kmph@6000RPM
                      100kmph@~6950RPM.

                      Also I don't know how can a bike with taller ratios feel stressed out? ����

                      The 180 always felt it needed a 6th gear because it was always in the powerband and too much power was available say at 70kmph. The rear sprocket of the 200 is 46T and front is 13T if i am not wrong.

                      Edit : Not sure how many have actually seen this.

                      https://youtu.be/vjgTAgRGElY
                      Last edited by JS16; 03-18-2016, 07:21 AM.

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                      • #146
                        Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                        Refer, the table below, I have put it the other way round.


                        %Power Remaining @100kmph (Rpm@100kmph/Rpm Max. @ Max.Power) ~21% ~30% ~28%
                        %Torque Remaining @100kmph ~5% ~12.5% ~15%

                        AS200 would be the clear winner for High Speed highway runs where overtakes are much easier due to more power and torque available in the twist of the throttle.

                        This means that the 80kmph-120kmph roll on timings in top gear, should be bettered by Bajaj-KTM duo.

                        Anyways, my assumption is 80kmph on highways and 90-100kmph on expressways is fair enough.

                        Originally posted by JishnuSur View Post
                        I'll only recommend you to take a proper test ride and decide. The 4th and 5th gears are taller gears. There is a correction to make
                        85kmph@6000RPM
                        100kmph@~6950RPM.

                        .......

                        Edit : Not sure how many have actually seen this.

                        https://youtu.be/vjgTAgRGElY
                        Have seen that video a few days back. Definitely, it is not a doctored video. But, wondered why the tachometer doesn't work?

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                        • #147
                          Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                          Originally posted by jetsetgo08 View Post
                          Refer, the table below, I have put it the other way round.


                          %Power Remaining @100kmph (Rpm@100kmph/Rpm Max. @ Max.Power) ~21% ~30% ~28%
                          %Torque Remaining @100kmph ~5% ~12.5% ~15%

                          AS200 would be the clear winner for High Speed highway runs where overtakes are much easier due to more power and torque available in the twist of the throttle.

                          This means that the 80kmph-120kmph roll on timings in top gear, should be bettered by Bajaj-KTM duo.

                          Anyways, my assumption is 80kmph on highways and 90-100kmph on expressways is fair enough.



                          Have seen that video a few days back. Definitely, it is not a doctored video. But, wondered why the tachometer doesn't work?
                          Broken cable I am assuming. The speed sensor works fine so that's fine!

                          Even if its slightly slower, which we are just assuming the price difference is huge in that case. Suddenly the KTM doesn't look like a vfm product. Rtr @ 1.05L vs 1.75L of the ktm on road Bangalore.

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                          • #148
                            Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                            Originally posted by JishnuSur View Post
                            Broken cable I am assuming. The speed sensor works fine so that's fine!

                            Even if its slightly slower, which we are just assuming the price difference is huge in that case. Suddenly the KTM doesn't look like a vfm product. Rtr @ 1.05L vs 1.75L of the ktm on road Bangalore.
                            You can't compare both.just swing your leg on duke 200 and you would end up saying "Hmm 1.69 is actually less for the product KTM is giving "

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                            • #149
                              Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                              Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
                              You can't compare both.just swing your leg on duke 200 and you would end up saying "Hmm 1.69 is actually less for the product KTM is giving "
                              Ok. I know why though.
                              Last edited by JS16; 03-18-2016, 04:34 PM.

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                              • #150
                                Re: Launched: TVS Apache RTR200 4V @ 88k and Victor for 49k

                                Originally posted by JishnuSur View Post
                                Broken cable I am assuming. The speed sensor works fine so that's fine!

                                Even if its slightly slower, which we are just assuming the price difference is huge in that case. Suddenly the KTM doesn't look like a vfm product. Rtr @ 1.05L vs 1.75L of the ktm on road Bangalore.
                                To be honest, we can't compare RTR200 with Duke 200.

                                KTM 200 is not a VFM ever since its price crossed ~1.45L. But, its a Four Stroke alternative to a two-stroke bike like RX135/RXZ. It's a purist bike. Thus, people still buy it.
                                Bajaj purposely would have reduced the aggressive nature for its P200NS. Else, it would have sweeped away Duke 200's sales. Making it a VFM for 1.1L.

                                But,then at 2.3L OTR Duke 390 is VFM over CBR250R ABS and even a few twin-cylinder engines. It seemed like KTM-Bajaj increased the prices of D200/RC200 just to make people shift from 200cc to 390 series. Thus, leaving the 200's to Pulsar(AS/NS/RS 200),making them value for money.

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