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Finally, Kawasaki/ KTM's 600 are coming. 2 of them!!
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If Kawasaki is planning to bring in bikes as CKD particularly from thailand then there seems to be only 2 options left in 600 category.
As per the website (http://www.kawasakibigbike.com/productlineup_09.html), Er-6n (and 6F) are the only bikes in this category and NO ZX6R. Bike India assumed Z750 launch as well, I am not really sure of that as Z750 is not listed in comapny product line up(if i am wrong,let me know) in Thailand. If they bring it from another country then it could get expensive even in CKD form.
ZX10R seems to be really expensive in thailand (650,000 Baht = approx 9L) as well. Could it be CBU in Thailand ?
Lastly, in one of the earlier posts Satyen (I guess) had advised best price calculations based on UK prices. If that is the case (
positively hoping so ) and if ZX6R is brought in as CKD then we can have ZX6R for 5.5L which would be great.
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If at all the claim (KLR's looks are not suited to Indian taste) is true, it's surprising why we are so inclined towards the super sports bikes when we do not even have the infrastructure to ride themOriginally posted by Samarth 619 View PostGuys, KLR's more of an off roader.
When you brake, the front suspension dives 1 feet before front brakes work...
And, KLR's looks are not suited to Indian taste...
And looks matter! As the voting proves, ER6f got 100+ votes, compared to 40+ for ER6n... The difference? Looks!
Remember, Kawasaki will sell stuff that sells! They ain't here for social service...
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In a certain discussion with some folks at Bajaj, I had said the exact same thing... but for the 690 vs 650R ....even if they bring the 650 and a KTM 690, no one would give a rats arse to the 690.
- The handfull enthusiasts will not like the fact that the 690 comes with a single cylinder engine
- The bucket loads of juntaa including my dad couldnt see "anything" in the bike that makes it worth the moolah
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Originally posted by satyenpoojary View PostIn a certain discussion with some folks at Bajaj, I had said the exact same thing... but for the 690 vs 650R ....even if they bring the 650 and a KTM 690, no one would give a rats arse to the 690.
- The handfull enthusiasts will not like the fact that the 690 comes with a single cylinder engine
- The bucket loads of juntaa including my dad couldnt see "anything" in the bike that makes it worth the moolah
Bajaj has a big issue with the KTMs in hand, there is an eeny weeny segment which would kill for a KTM (including me) but otherwise launching it with the faired bikes could be a big challenge!
Right on.
On top of that European bikes usually come with a premium over Japanese ones.
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Hello!!! Are you serious??? I mean really! Only 72ps!!! Thats it! What am I gonna with so little power?Originally posted by trustvishwas View PostAfter having ridden the 650R, please, please understand that 650R is a commuter bike. It looks good on paper and is visually appealing but for riding pleasure, look somewhere else.
It has no clip-ons, 2 cylinder engine, single seat with grab rails for pillion, has only 72 ps ( 250R has 33 ps), sounds like a cross between 250R and a bullet. Believe me Rahul, you wouldn't buy it even at 3.00 Lakhs.
If the 650R were to come at 3L, I would buy two of them!!!
And have you heard of a "touring" bike with clip-ons? I haven't.The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better!
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Already a long and winding thread. But here are my two bits.
While coming back from the leh trip me and my friend did pathankot to ambala in four and a half hours. That is an average of almost 100 kmph. And i don't think i have ridden anyway like that before. Or i will. Inches was the gap between truck tyres and cars and us.
And that brings me to the second point. Recently me and my friend did a Jalandhar trip on a ZMR and ninja 250R. Now the thing is, there is no way you can do above 120 safely. I mean you are always looking out for people wanting to cross, cars wanting to turn and what not.
Which brings me to the main point. It is pointless to have a bike which will have too much of power. Yes it gives the thrill but it is just too dangerous, unless you are on a closed circuit. But we do have some good roads for touring. So if you want to enjoy biking you got to go touring. Which means a bike you can sit comfortably, power that comes from low revs, good brakes and awesome headlights. And can go for around 300-400 kms before needing a refill. The supersports all have max range of 200-300 kms.
Now, none of the bike may meet all the criteria, 650R comes the closest. I do like the KTM too, but i know it will be xpensive unless Bajaj decided on CKD, remember Bajaj has a big stake in KTM.
Also to the younger turks, i do like the idea of supersports. I really do. But i know even in delhi there are very few roads where you can enjoy that power and still be sure you will return alive. And they will be expensive.
Maybe a two bike garage then, one for touring and one for adrenaline rush.
And i think we should quit fighting on what should come, am sure they all will come, sooner or later.
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Twin cylinder, 72 PS & 650CC at 3L sweetens like honey to me!!! But the bikeindia's FZ8 is very tempting compared to Ninja 650!!!Skill is what keeps you on a Motorcycle
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hey guys.
the industry insiders say that the bike will be out by oct-nov. but bajaj insiders say they are 'hopeful' that the ER6F makes it to the market by the end of the financial year, that means we could be looking at a march 2011 launch.
i cant wait anymore to see these bikes land at the dealerships but looks like we have no choice.
and the price is said to be under 5 lakhs ex-showroom. so around 5.5-6 lakhs on road, nothing cheaper than that for the ER6F.
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Its not just about the bhp or ps. Its the way the bike is made and the way it delivers it. If given a choice between the 250 and 650 , I think I would put my money on the 250r any day any time.Originally posted by ken cool View PostHello!!! Are you serious??? I mean really! Only 72ps!!! Thats it! What am I gonna with so little power?
If the 650R were to come at 3L, I would buy two of them!!!
And have you heard of a "touring" bike with clip-ons? I haven't.sigpicThe Moto Cafe - India's first bike theme cafe @ Chandni Chowk
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The man you are talking to a Ninja owner who is enroute to leh on a FZOriginally posted by ken cool View PostHello!!! Are you serious??? I mean really! Only 72ps!!! Thats it! What am I gonna with so little power?
If the 650R were to come at 3L, I would buy two of them!!!
And have you heard of a "touring" bike with clip-ons? I haven't.
- Does that answer your questions?
If it doesnt, let him come back and we will ask him the same, would he take the Ninja or the 650R up there if given a choice
Absolutely! Plus this segment is super small in India. Oh boy! This is going to be tough! I do hope it does come out to India and in an affordable price range!Originally posted by payeng View PostRight on.
On top of that European bikes usually come with a premium over Japanese ones.Super CommuTOURer� - Talk less, Ride more
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@ niks_devil666 and trustviswas: Guys, You must clarify what you want to say. Please list out all demerits that you find clearly...Originally posted by niks_devil666 View PostIts not just about the bhp or ps. Its the way the bike is made and the way it delivers it. If given a choice between the 250 and 650 , I think I would put my money on the 250r any day any time.
And NO, commuter type bike OR no clipons, just 72 ps for a 600cc, etc. don't count as demerits. Nobody's taking it to go racing.
In fact, I was myself looking for a practical affordable commuter 600 all this time.
Totally agree! Guys, Duke is a bike which has precise elements like upside down forks, fully adjustable suspension, etc, and the so called "single cylinder engine" has enough low end to power wheelie below 2krpm, etc...Originally posted by satyenpoojary View PostIn a certain discussion with some folks at Bajaj, I had said the exact same thing... but for the 690 vs 650R ....even if they bring the 650 and a KTM 690, no one would give a rats arse to the 690.
- The handfull enthusiasts will not like the fact that the 690 comes with a single cylinder engine
- The bucket loads of juntaa including my dad couldnt see "anything" in the bike that makes it worth the moolah
Bajaj has a big issue with the KTMs in hand, there is an eeny weeny segment which would kill for a KTM (including me) but otherwise launching it with the faired bikes could be a big challenge!
An experienced biker will go for it, for a long time ownership. But, the common man won't be able to understand KTM Duke,
and 650R would have power and taste suiting looks too.
They should get 125s, 250s, Super Duke 990 & the RC8... Forget the Duke 690.Last edited by Samarth 619; 06-01-2010, 05:15 PM.---
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